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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Egypt was definitely a caucasoid culture from the start - I mean, come on, Ramses the Great was a redhead, we don't need to settle for paintings, we can go for mummies, and they're all of basically semitic people from the very start.
actually, Ramses II being a redhead falls quite nicely into the hypothesis that the ancient egyptians were primarily of a pre-divergence grouping like the Khoisan, as they can have red hair... there are in fact other 'black' ethnicities in Africa that have blonde hair as well (no it isnt bleached) although I dont remember the name. Hair color is an even weaker proof of ethnicity than skin color.
North Africa has always been Berber, or essentially Arab.
uh-huh... and your sources might be? remember that the arabs only managed to colonize the banks of the red sea about 2000 years ago... I think it unlikely that they migrated across north africa and established egypt several thousand years prior. A pre-divergence group migration is far more likely.
Sub-Saharan Africa is the region which is black, along with the Horn of Africa. The horn was colonized in part by semitic peoples but we don't have a good idea for the date or the extent of the penetration.
obviously the penetration of semitics into the horn wasnt very much...
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Shaka[Zulu] wrote: actually, Ramses II being a redhead falls quite nicely into the hypothesis that the ancient egyptians were primarily of a pre-divergence grouping like the Khoisan, as they can have red hair... there are in fact other 'black' ethnicities in Africa that have blonde hair as well (no it isnt bleached) although I dont remember the name. Hair color is an even weaker proof of ethnicity than skin color.
You're right, bone structure is better, which is veritably unchanged - especially among the skeletons of the peasantry - from that of ancient Egypt to the modern day. Egypt has always been a semitic country.

uh-huh... and your sources might be?
Graves.
remember that the arabs only managed to colonize the banks of the red sea about 2000 years ago... I think it unlikely that they migrated across north africa and established egypt several thousand years prior. A pre-divergence group migration is far more likely.
Two thousand years ago Rome ruled all of North Africa and the Ptolemaic dynasty had already been overthrown! You surely confuse dates? Anyway, Arabs and Berbers are not the same people - There are distinct differences.

We know that the great Kingdoms of Atlas plain were of roughly semitic origin - The Numidians and so on - and they had to come from somewhere. They obviously weren't descendants of Carthage; the cultural differences are too drastic and I doubt one Phoenecian colony has the population base for that much expansion anyway.

Likewise is the historical record quite clear on the population of the Two Egypts, as being quite distinct from Nubia ethnically. This in turn is supported by skeletal, and the combination is really all we need, since the divide is still there today.
obviously the penetration of semitics into the horn wasnt very much...
Indeed so, though there were noticeable effects.
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Given the same opportunities(education, career) as an European or an American, there is no doubt the African can perform just as well as his counterparts.

It's the 'opportunities' part that is so hard to get to them...

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All this inferior shit is coming out of the mouth of nazis and kkk members,if there is inferior people its these groups.
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All I know is that black people in general tend to have more muscular glutes--mostly unrelated, btw, to the reason rappers talk so much about women with huge asses--but much shorter calf musculature. I've also read that a number of black athletes have had abnormally high bone density, but I'm not sure if that study was really kept in context...things other than genes can affect bone density in healthy adult males.

People are people by and large.

Since you're talking about supposed genetic differences, I will veer just a hair off-topic and mention a couple of things I don't care for wrt these "racial discussions" (that are of course nothing of the kind):

1--people who think it's okay to be racist because they're a minority, like my idiot neighbor. I've too often heard the phrase "dead white men" in college. People complained that literature in the English language doesn't have enough diversity in its own canon.

Uhh...hell-fucking-O? Most native English-speaking people ARE white. It's only natural we'd expect *most English writers to be white*; therefore, more should BE in the bloody canon!

This sort of thing is ignored, however, because it's attacking the "majority"; somehow, that makes it okay. It doesn't. Pisses me off royally, to simply lump authors like T.S. Eliot, Joyce, Hemingway, and Faulkner in with a bunch of others just because they have white skin. Utter, total racist bullshit.

and 2--black people who insist to be called African-whatever. I don't insist that I should be called a Scot-British-French-German-Roman etc. national identities SLASH "American," even though I'm proud of my family as a whole and to be who I am.

No. I'm just American, and I think that's descriptive enough for those who can't tell I'm obviously from the fucking Southern U.S. when I open my mouth! (Insert accent jokes here, but that's actually another really hateful vein of racism that's oft left uncriticized; i.e., characterizing Southerners as grit-eating, inbred morons. I do NOT eat grits!)

Including all that other shit is just divisive, IMO...who cares where the fuck your ancestors came from? I might like to know about my own bloodline just outta curiousity, but I don't choose to tell everyone ELSE about my family tree! I don't care to hear all about theirs, either. Not enough time in the day for all that.

P.S.--What was so great about the Zulu nation's people? No offense, Zu, but a "great people"? I can't think of any political group I'd necessary characterize as wholly great.
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YOU FUCKING STUPID IDIOTS! HAVEN'T ANY OF YOU EVER READ "THE BELL CURVE!?" IT PROVES THAT RACIAL GENETICS HAVE EVERYTHING TO DO WITH INTELLIGENCE!! ESPECIALLY SINCE IT RELIES ON POORLY-DRAWN STATISTICS! GO WCOTC!!!! GO DAVID DUKE!!!! WOOT!!!!




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UltraViolence83 wrote:YOU FUCKING STUPID IDIOTS! HAVEN'T ANY OF YOU EVER READ "THE BELL CURVE!?" IT PROVES THAT RACIAL GENETICS HAVE EVERYTHING TO DO WITH INTELLIGENCE!! ESPECIALLY SINCE IT RELIES ON POORLY-DRAWN STATISTICS! GO WCOTC!!!! GO DAVID DUKE!!!! WOOT!!!!




What's a grit?
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Yes, "what's a grit?" was sarcasm. :lol:
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characterizing Southerners as grit-eating, inbred morons. I do NOT eat grits!)
::chortle:: Thats so great. XD

BTW, you cant be racist towards a southerner, unless youre claiming that by having a southern accent you are of a different race then northerners.

Thats why I hate it when people say that antisemitism is racism, because they only further the belief that semites (or indians, arabs, etc) are a different race. There are THREE races, characterised by bone structure and genetic diversity, here (listed in order of decreasing genetic diversity):

African/Black/Negroid, Asian/Mongoloid (including native americans, and polynesians), Caucasoid (including white/italic europeans, semites [hebrews and arabs, etc], Indians, and also Aborigines in Australia).

There is also the predivergent group (or possibly postdivergent remixture, but this is unlikely) known as the Khoisan, or by the older name Hottentot. They possess features of all three races and cannot be classified as any one race.
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I've never tried grits (real grits, not hominy shit) but I want to. Ground friend corn sounds good.
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kojikun wrote:
characterizing Southerners as grit-eating, inbred morons. I do NOT eat grits!)
::chortle:: Thats so great. XD

BTW, you cant be racist towards a southerner, unless youre claiming that by having a southern accent you are of a different race then northerners.
You're right.

I should have been clearer. I was thinking of the generalizations people often make of people in a certain area, but I have found that in the case of the Southern US, that often takes the form of racism. Take, for example, all of these myths:

guys like "Billy Joe Bob" like to fuck animals, and he married his little sister after his big sister asked for a divorce;

in secluded areas, there a lots of guys running after Ned Beatty types yelling, "Squeal like a pig!";

that we're all dressing up in sheets on Saturday nights, burning crosses, and raising hell about the evils of non-white people, occassionally shouting seig heil, white power!, or some other such inspired maxim;

that we all like to fire rifles in the air and yell YEEHAW!, etc.

On a certain level, you could really just call it regionalism :)

But I have heard that spun into some pretty mean racial stuff when people tack on things like how pale these mountain boys are, or particularly when someone assumes Southern somehow correlates to Klan membership.

The main problem is that, with all of the cases listed above, these myths are only referring to white Southerners. I've never known black people to join the KKK (which is bigger in the South than other areas of the States), I've never heard jokes about black people inbreeding simply because they lived in a given area, or anyone other than whites being regarded as backward mountain boys, and at least for the most part, I don't hear people joking about black people having compound names like "Jane Dawn Crystal Jabberlicker." And I don't hear people laughing at non-whites who like to go hunting as a rule either.

If these things were color-inclusive, they wouldn't be racist...they'd just be some dumb jokes about Southerners. But they single out whites, at least in most cases, as the dummies fucking farm animals and family members prior to the weekend Klan Ho-Down.

See what I mean? It's difficult to just call it flat-out racism because it doesn't include all white people, but it is a hateful sort of thing that's readily propagated through all forms of media. Hell, I remember when ENT debuted, the first negative thing I read about it was "Trip Tucker's accent makes him sound so stupid."

I guess Faulkner was a dumb fuck too :)
Thats why I hate it when people say that antisemitism is racism, because they only further the belief that semites (or indians, arabs, etc) are a different race. There are THREE races, characterised by bone structure and genetic diversity, here (listed in order of decreasing genetic diversity):

African/Black/Negroid, Asian/Mongoloid (including native americans, and polynesians), Caucasoid (including white/italic europeans, semites [hebrews and arabs, etc], Indians, and also Aborigines in Australia).
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Yes. As I just did, it's really just a descriptor to use in lieu of something goofy-sounding like "regionalist," and to avoid going into the litany you see above :)
There is also the predivergent group (or possibly postdivergent remixture, but this is unlikely) known as the Khoisan, or by the older name Hottentot. They possess features of all three races and cannot be classified as any one race.
Interesting.

Oh, btw, grits are okay. I don't have grits often, maybe twice a year with an old-style breakfast of scrambled eggs, bacon, and pancakes.

But I swear, every time someone in my family travels outside the South--and truth be told, I don't think have that bad of an accent...ask Connor--some asshole starts in about eating fucking grits. I don't go to Minneapolis and dog some "yankee" about how I bet he likes bratwurst. I don't pick on my best friend's grandparents in Wisconsin about liking Swiss cheese, either...so I don't want folks doggin' us "rebels" about eating grits or drinking iced tea. All are silly generalizations and not even funny anymore.
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i got interested in grits thanks to the Sliders episode where theyre in the old west and Remmie commented on how good the grits were in jail. LOL :)

"Warden was right, that woman makes some gooood grits" or something like that. Remmie's so adorable :)

btw, not sure if this counts as stereotyping but guys that workd on farms have huge.. *cough*. :twisted:
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Throats?

The egyptians, those on the Nile are decendants from those who built the pyramids at Giza and other places, they have the graves at the bases at the pyramids to prove it. The modern face of Egypt today is the same as it was 4000 years ago. Just like the person in Cheddar who was found to have an ancient blood relative from prehistoric times who lived in the area. Arab culture mixed in with the egyptians when the caliphate took over 1300 years ago(or so). The Arabs got all the way to what would later become Mali if my memory serves.
The Berbers were never Arabs, never and they were far to the west, near Gibralter.
If anything the Egyptians were quite simply Africans. To draw them into any "race" is perposterous as Africa is the fount from which all ethnicities sprung. And what ever you do don't call the caucasoid, as they are from nowhere near the causcas mountains.
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i know theyre not from the caucasus, but caucasoid is the accepted term, mainly because the migration that spawned the "caucasoid" race had a large number of people settled in the caucasus that then spread out FROM there to where they are now (europe, india, middle east, etc) long long ago.
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seanrobertson wrote:

that we all like to fire rifles in the air and yell YEEHAW!, etc.
You sure about that?

http://www.theonion.com/onion3906/iraq_ ... y_vie.html
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Don't Forget the Carthaginians and the Nubians, both were powerful Black African civilizations.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
seanrobertson wrote:

that we all like to fire rifles in the air and yell YEEHAW!, etc.
You sure about that?

http://www.theonion.com/onion3906/iraq_ ... y_vie.html
Yep.

I'm a Southerner, and I don't even own a rifle; I don't handle other peoples' firearms, so it is impossible for me to have fired a rifle in the air.

I don't even say YEEHAW (save purely in jest), and usually at minimal volume at that.

Them Kentucky folk though...Ise dunno about thems uppity fucks.
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Hell, I'm from northeastern Ohio and live less than a mile away from the "Yeee-haw!" crowd.
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UltraViolence83 wrote:Hell, I'm from northeastern Ohio and live less than a mile away from the "Yeee-haw!" crowd.
Thems good people up 'ar, I she-it ye naught!

I really think the Yee-Haw bunch live everywhere. There are rednecks in every state of the union, like Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel, who lives in Springfield, Illinois.
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THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:Don't Forget the Carthaginians and the Nubians, both were powerful Black African civilizations.
The Nubians were black, but the Carthagians were a semitic colony of Phoenecia, originally from the Levant.
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The reason for Africa's lack of big civilizations is because the terrain encourages decentralized societies. Egypt's proximity to the Nile makes it an exception. Ghana, Nubia, and Mali are also good exceptions
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:Don't Forget the Carthaginians and the Nubians, both were powerful Black African civilizations.
The Nubians were black, but the Carthagians were a semitic colony of Phoenecia, originally from the Levant.
Then Why do I always here about the Punic wars I hear about how Hannbal was black and the reason why Sicilians and people from southern Italy have dark hair and brown eyes is (while Northern Italians are aryans) b/c of Hannibal and his invading armies.
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Hannibal wasn't black...
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ArmorPierce wrote:Hannibal wasn't black...

has anyone ever found his grave? didnt think so...
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