The big bang and the beginning of time

[Kuroneko]

well assuming the evidence is correct, it shows that the universe has 4 dimensional curvature (and that time isnt the 4th dimensional)

A gross error! It would show nothing of the kind! It would show that space, ignoring time, is topologically equivalent to the surface of a four-dimensional hypertorus. The content of the hypertorus may be four-dimensional, but its surface is still three-dimensional. A line is topologically equivalent to a circle minus a one point, which is a two-dimensional figure, but that doesn't make the line two-dimensional.

[Shaka[Zulu]]

A gross error! It would show nothing of the kind! It would show that space, ignoring time, is topologically equivalent to the surface of a four-dimensional hypertorus. The content of the hypertorus may be four-dimensional, but its surface is still three-dimensional. A line is topologically equivalent to a circle minus a one point, which is a two-dimensional figure, but that doesn't make the line two-dimensional.

ok... am I the only one to get a massive migraine from this?

[Edi]

A gross error! It would show nothing of the kind! It would show that space, ignoring time, is topologically equivalent to the surface of a four-dimensional hypertorus. The content of the hypertorus may be four-dimensional, but its surface is still three-dimensional. A line is topologically equivalent to a circle minus a one point, which is a two-dimensional figure, but that doesn't make the line two-dimensional.

ok... am I the only one to get a massive migraine from this?

Thou shalt be careful of what question thou asks, for thou might receive an answer and the answer might give thee a headache most massive...

It's almost headache territory, though, I'll admit that. Following these posts is diffcult because the terminology is largely unfamiliar to me, I've learned the Finnish terms, not the English ones...

Edi

[Shaka[Zulu]]

yep... and I am used to giving other people headaches like that!