What if Stargate Command buried the gate?(RAR)

[NecronLord]

Wait, Delmak was used as a capital world by Anubis and Ba'al? Are you sure? I thought it could smashed to rubble by the Replicator-infested Ha'tak crashing into it at a high fraction of light speed.

The same shots (with Netu intact) were used for Ba'als throne-world in the tail end of Season 8 in Threads.



Obviously from a Doylian perspective, this was to save money, but from an in-universe perspective, we can reasonably assume that it's meant to represent the same planet. A ship travelling at high speed - nothing like C, mind you:



Would be devastating to a country or continental region and would ash-load the sky for years, but that doesn't necessarily mean the capital would be destroyed.

[SilverDragonRed]

Wait, Delmak was used as a capital world by Anubis and Ba'al? Are you sure? I thought it could smashed to rubble by the Replicator-infested Ha'tak crashing into it at a high fraction of light speed.

Yeah, that fact also confused me when I was told it. But, Ba'al takes over the planet after Apophis dies at the very latest by Season 8. It makes sense from a character perspective to claim Delmak (with the planet having survived), and might go to explain how Ba'al later had a massive number of Ha'taks to lose against the Replicators come Season 8.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Hmm. I hadn't realised the background shots were the same. Though logically if Netu is intact in those shots after we saw it destroyed then it can't be the same planet.

[NecronLord]

Hmm. I hadn't realised the background shots were the same. Though logically if Netu is intact in those shots after we saw it destroyed then it can't be the same planet.

This is a limitation of Watsonian analysis, I would consider the appearance of Netu there to be a blooper, and decree that it doesn't exist, and disregard it in the same way as Richard Dean Anderson's script being in-shot in Serpent's Lair:



See the far right of the screencap.

Obviously it's debatable whether they intended it to be Delmak, or another world, but I prefer to say it is Delmak, because we see another goa'uld throne-world in Summit, and it's another medieval world, while Delmak seemed to be exceptional, and tie into the narrative of Sokar being able to build a bigger fleet than any other goa'uld, as Ba'al was able to do in seasons 7 & 8, which ties neatly with the narrative.

Though between the moon exploding and what we can only assume was an endor-holocaust going on, and the ha'tak crash, it must have been a shitty few years on Delmak.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Fair enough. We could always assume that the Netu seen in those later shots is actually a giant hologram or other illusion put there to convince the populace Anubis really is a God: "See? I restored your destroyed moon! Bow before me etc."

[NecronLord]

For comparison's sake, here's Yu's homeworld...



It looks broadly comparable at first glance, and there's a lot of settlement, but there's no hint of electrification and motor-cars, and then you realize that those pagodas seem to be wooden structures on the right of the palace, and the cargo ship landed on the palace gives it a maximum size that's quite small compared to Sokar's edifice, which is seemingly about half the height of a ha'tak and clearly built of sophisticated materials.

So I'm not sure that I'd imagine Delmak-esque worlds are built by other goa'uld, at one point I had the opposite opinion but these days I think that it's pretty much a case of Sokar being inclined to disregard the usual goa'uld technophobia; which also fits with the persona of the god he assumed, as Seker was not just a punisher of the wicked but also a patron of craftsmen and artisans.

But there's certainly space to imagine that Ba'al's homeworld is separate from Delmak; personal preference really, either they wanted another industrial goa'uld world, and didn't have the money to do it, or they wanted it to be Delmak, and didn't have the money to re-do the shot without Netu.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Well Ba'al was a System Lord for (unless I'm mistaken) basiclly the entire series, certainly he was around while Sokar was, so presumably he'd have his own throneworld somewhere else. It's possible that Anubis claimed Delmak and Ba'al then claimed it from him, even if he didn't make it his capital it was a good place to build his strength.

[PREDATOR490]

Bury the gate: Hathor is still on Earth and will be uncovered shortly. Hathor was drawn to the Stargate so she will likely find it and work to get it operational again. Since she has the mind-control trick she could get fairly far especially against an unprepared planet. That said, it is equally likely she will run into issues and / or get taken out on her power trip.
Upside - Her actions might just cause the Stargate program to be started anyway.
Downside - Most if not all of the first season encounters will be lost which could easily doom the entire planet.

Seth - This dude is still running around Earth 'hiding'
Osiris - This dude is stuck in a jar waiting to be found

Asgard - The long shot odds is that they may intervene to save Earth from the Goa'uld even without being encountered IF they get wind of the situation. Thor mentioned the Asgard knew about Earth and had visited before. When the SGC goes to the mirror realm and asks for Asgard intervention they appeared rather quickly. This kinda suggests the Asgard will intervene to save Earth IF asked and / or they find out. They may not be actively protecting Earth because they are aware the Goa'uld have seemingly forgotten about it. If they suddenly added Earth to the treaty then the Goa'uld would end up being curious and potentially rage fit when they found out Earth was way beyond what they like.

Replicators - Asgard will get chewed up. Replicators may end up going to the Milky Way since eventually they will learn of it from the Asgard. That said, I would not be too surprise if the Replicators went straight for Earth. The Asgard should clearly know that Earth was a big part of Ancient history and would make the most logical place to search for Ancient technology.
With a short amount of work the Replicators can chew up Earth and get access to all the left over bullshit. Merlin's treasure trove, the weapons platform and the road to Atlantis.

Ascended Ancients - I would expect them to intervene. The Ascended beings make lots of noise about being non-interventionist but in reality this has been proven false. They are quite likely to intervene either through proxy or directly to prevent anyone screwing up their own private club.

[NecronLord]

And yet in the alternate reality episodes we see that the Ancients/Asgard aren't always going to ride to the rescue. Indeed the entire plot of Point of View was how the Asgard don't know about an invasion of Earth in that alternate reality, until SG1 calls them, when they show up and stomp the goa'uld.

[PREDATOR490]

And yet in the alternate reality episodes we see that the Ancients/Asgard aren't always going to ride to the rescue. Indeed the entire plot of Point of View was how the Asgard don't know about an invasion of Earth in that alternate reality, until SG1 calls them, when they show up and stomp the goa'uld.

The Asgard are obviously not omniscient so they cannot ride to the rescue until they know something is wrong but when informed they have been shown to intervene as best they can. It is fairly likely Earth will get wrecked but the Asgard could swing it around.

[NecronLord]

Well they're more than capable of defeating a goa'uld invasion. We see this in Point of View, but they're not going to ride to the rescue without a stargate program to get them interested.

[PREDATOR490]

Well they're more than capable of defeating a goa'uld invasion. We see this in Point of View, but they're not going to ride to the rescue without a stargate program to get them interested.

It reduces the chance but stopping the invasion for even pragmatic reasons makes sense. Earth was a base for the Ancients and the Asgard would be foolish to sit back and allow Ancient tech to be pillaged. Likewise, the Ascended Ancients might be forced to intervene if Goa'uld risk messing around with Merlin's plans to build weapons that kill them or help them Ascend.

[Elheru Aran]

Well they're more than capable of defeating a goa'uld invasion. We see this in Point of View, but they're not going to ride to the rescue without a stargate program to get them interested.

Likewise, the Ascended Ancients might be forced to intervene if Goa'uld risk messing around with Merlin's plans to build weapons that kill them or help them Ascend.

Not so sure about that. They were perfectly happy to sit around and do sweet fuck-all about Adria and the Ori trying to do the same thing.

EDIT: Frankly, apart from Morgan, Oma, that guy Sean Patrick Flanery played once, and Merlin, it's blatantly obvious that the Ancients don't give a shit about the galaxy they left behind... but will stomp hard on anybody trying to break their little rules because they're selfish pricks like that. They let Anubis get pretty far towards Ascension, after all, but he couldn't go all the way for whatever reason (imperfect tech, wasn't it?) and they didn't give a shit.

[NecronLord]

Well they're more than capable of defeating a goa'uld invasion. We see this in Point of View, but they're not going to ride to the rescue without a stargate program to get them interested.

It reduces the chance but stopping the invasion for even pragmatic reasons makes sense. Earth was a base for the Ancients and the Asgard would be foolish to sit back and allow Ancient tech to be pillaged.

The Asgard don't know it's there. And they did nothing about Nirrti pillaging ancient tech, or Anubis for that matter.

Likewise, the Ascended Ancients might be forced to intervene if Goa'uld risk messing around with Merlin's plans to build weapons that kill them or help them Ascend.

Which, without a gate-programme, don't involve Earth at all.

Likewise, the Ancients didn't smite Vala et al for finding the thing that brought the Ori invasion. They're not that fast acting or perfect.

[Solauren]

I always wondered why they didn't aim the thing 'face down' at say, 200 feet up. Anything that came through would be in a for a... rude... time.

Then we'd have a bunch of dead Jaf'fa and a Gou'ald to examine, and Apothesis would have just 'disappeared' like Ra did.

The other Gou'ald might have gotten paranoid.

[Batman]

What would have been the point? The iris meant nothing could get through, and hanging the gate above a big hole wouldn't have made any difference. Nothing that 'did' get through the iris (usually effortlessly) would've been fazed much by there being a big hole below the gate.
If you're talking before SG-1, how would they know that rotating the gate would work? They knew essentially nothing about the Stargate.

[Batman]

Not to mention that having the Gate 60 metres vertically above really complicates sending teams through.

[Simon_Jester]

Well, you could theoretically build the gate on a pivoting mount, so that when not in use it faces "down" into a pit, but when you want to activate it you rotate it ninety degrees to face sideways and cover the pit with a sliding door.

But yes, it doesn't address the fundamental problem- the iris works just as well for this purpose.

[Death Zebra]

They let Anubis get pretty far towards Ascension, after all, but he couldn't go all the way for whatever reason (imperfect tech, wasn't it?) and they didn't give a shit.

As I understand it, Anubis tricked Oma Desala into ascending him by going to Keb and saying all the right things to her. The Ancients could only "descend" him so far and stipulated that he was only allowed to do anything he could have done as a Goa'uld and not use his powers as a part ascended being.

[Solauren]

What would have been the point? The iris meant nothing could get through, and hanging the gate above a big hole wouldn't have made any difference. Nothing that 'did' get through the iris (usually effortlessly) would've been fazed much by there being a big hole below the gate.
If you're talking before SG-1, how would they know that rotating the gate would work? They knew essentially nothing about the Stargate.

I was thinking between the movie and Episode 1 of the series. Afterwards, definitely IRIS and able to send teams through.

[FaxModem1]

That would be an interesting butterfly, Apophis, Teal'c and some random Jaffa all falling to their deaths on Earth because of how they decided to store the Stargate. It would create another power vacuum among the System Lords, and the Jaffa Rebellion would never take off, as Teal'c was instrumental in that.

[LastShadow]

Obligatory: The show would have been REALLY boring.

Honestly it was high time someone came and checked in on us in the first place. One does not simply "forget" a world exits. Do you assume your friends house has been wiped out because he didnt answer his phone?

So in all likelihood eventually the Goa'uld would show up and start some shit, or the replicators would have eventually made it around to us.

Basically "No good can come of this"

[NecronLord]

I always wondered why they didn't aim the thing 'face down' at say, 200 feet up. Anything that came through would be in a for a... rude... time.

Then we'd have a bunch of dead Jaf'fa and a Gou'ald to examine, and Apothesis would have just 'disappeared' like Ra did.

The other Gou'ald might have gotten paranoid.

In Episode two, Teal'c says they're firing 'weapons' through the gate, and the gate really jumps and bangs a bit with each hit, and Hammond sent in radiation teams to sweep for any leakage before allowing anyone back in the gate-room. I believe this evidence strongly suggests that Apophis sent nukes first.

Given the power of goa'uld weapons, the reasonable conclusion is that the mountain would be destroyed, and presumably the gate too, if he did what Ra intended, sending a naquadah payload with the bomb.

I was thinking between the movie and Episode 1 of the series. Afterwards, definitely IRIS and able to send teams through.

Oh, I see. Nothing; Apophis sent a holographic scanning device through the gate first.

This puppy - In principle you could say it only scanned for healthy and attractive hosts, but that's really reaching to try and make the snakes look incompetent; most likely it verified the status of the stargate, especially as Apophis then took a pocket dialing device with him. And even if it did scan only for hosts, he'd presumably find none at the bottom of a pit.

[Solauren]

Actually, we don't know what it did beside scan. For all we know, it just checked for anyone nearby, kind of like a motion sensor.

It can't have done much more then that. Otherwise, it would have detected the humans on the otherside had firearms.

[NecronLord]

Err. They came out and won the firefight easily. What makes wou think this proves Apophis did not know they were armed?