Honest Question: Han Solo's Blaster or Falcon gun?

[Ted C]

The material of the docking bays in Mos Eisley are not concrete.
As I remember they were carved into the surface so it's rather sandstone or something like that.

Evidence?

Even DarkStar was able to come up with a credible argument that the landing bay isn't composed of exotic materials.

"Docking bay ninety-four, Luke noted, was no different in appearance from a host of other grandiosely named docking bays scattered throughout Mos Eisley. It consisted mostly of an entrance rampway and an enormous pit gouged from the rocky soil. This served as clearance radii for the effects of the simple antigrav drive, which boosted all spacecraft clear of the gravitational field of the planet." (ANH novelisation, Ch. 7)

[Kazeite]

Just what did you assume here if not that Solos blaster is modified and in turn that stormtrooper blasters are incapable of causing similar damage???

Your logic eludes me. I assume that stormtroopers blasters are incapable of causing similiar damage becasue in this particular case they were incapable of causing similiar damage.
However there's no reason to suspect that this was their highest setting (which you, for some particular reason, assumed that I assumed and blamed me for it).

Solo's not bounty hunter, and he's known to the stormies which got information on him from a local snitch.

Rendar's not a bounty hunter either and he's wearing something that look suspiciously like armor.
And need I remind 'blast vests' from SWRPG?

Oh, and tell me how do you know exactly what that big nosed fella told to stormtroopers?

Oh, and the walls were made from simple rock, as described in novelisation and movie script.

[His Divine Shadow]

Even DarkStar was able to come up with a credible argument that the landing bay isn't composed of exotic materials.

Is that an insult? All I've said is that they'd likely used concrete or cement, nothing exotic.

"Docking bay ninety-four, Luke noted, was no different in appearance from a host of other grandiosely named docking bays scattered throughout Mos Eisley. It consisted mostly of an entrance rampway and an enormous pit gouged from the rocky soil. This served as clearance radii for the effects of the simple antigrav drive, which boosted all spacecraft clear of the gravitational field of the planet." (ANH novelisation, Ch. 7)

I see, so what is the material then? Some form of rock? Granite?

[His Divine Shadow]

Your logic eludes me. I assume that stormtroopers blasters are incapable of causing similiar damage becasue in this particular case they were incapable of causing similiar damage.

You said nothing of that particular case, infact the way you said implied that stormie blasters where incapable of higher settings.
edit:
You know, thats what incapable means, if you wanted to be clear you would have said that they did not produce as much damage as solos blaster, this does not mean they're incapable of it, which is what you said.
I cannot be held at fault here I think, because I followed the grammatical meaning of the words to the letter.

However there's no reason to suspect that this was their highest setting (which you, for some particular reason, assumed that I assumed and blamed me for it)

Because thats pretty much what it said, you might have meant in another fashion, had you written it the way you wrote it the second time, there would have been no confusion whatsoever.

Rendar's not a bounty hunter either and he's wearing something that look suspiciously like armor.
And need I remind 'blast vests' from SWRPG?

The large majority of the population does not wear armor at any rate.

Oh, and tell me how do you know exactly what that big nosed fella told to stormtroopers?

I'd be suprised if he didn't tell them what he looked like and such, and what they could expect in terms of resistance.

[His Divine Shadow]

Here's an interesting pic to gauge what kind of materials might be found in rock, I think one could get rock strenght or something from this based on how it holds together against gravity, kinda the same argument that was used with Zha'ha'dum and the big cavity we saw in B5.

[Boba Fett]

Even DarkStar was able to come up with a credible argument that the landing bay isn't composed of exotic materials.

Is that an insult? All I've said is that they'd likely used concrete or cement, nothing exotic.

"Docking bay ninety-four, Luke noted, was no different in appearance from a host of other grandiosely named docking bays scattered throughout Mos Eisley. It consisted mostly of an entrance rampway and an enormous pit gouged from the rocky soil. This served as clearance radii for the effects of the simple antigrav drive, which boosted all spacecraft clear of the gravitational field of the planet." (ANH novelisation, Ch. 7)

I see, so what is the material then? Rock? Granite?

Rather sandstone just as I've said before.

If you hit it with a hammer it falls apart into big chunks and sand.

You have to hit it hard although...

But I'm sure someone will describe it better than me...

[His Divine Shadow]

It looks like concrete to me in the movie, it's also grey, like concrete.

This just does not look like sandstone:


And the quote that was given, it really doesn't speak of walls, only that it was carved out of the ground, and looking at that pic, it sure doesn't look like it was carved out, it looks like any ordinary concrete structure on earth to me,

[Kazeite]

You said nothing of that particular case, infact the way you said implied that stormie blasters where incapable of higher settings.

Well, duh, I was responding to the question about that particular ANH scene and my response was describing that particular scene.

So tell me, what other thing I could possibly had in mind? Had you tried to understand what am I talking about there would have been no confusion whatsoever.

The large majority of the population does not wear armor at any rate.

...since, of course, you know exactly who is wearing armor and who isn't in SW universe?

I'd be suprised if he didn't tell them what he looked like and such, and what they could expect in terms of resistance.

"So, there's that smuggler, Han Solo, who just fried poor Greedo and his 2 meters tall Wookie. If I were you i would excercise extreme caution."

"Alright, men, set for lowest setting possible, especially you in the back with those big-honking blasters"

[His Divine Shadow]

Well, duh, I was responding to the question about that particular ANH scene and my response was describing that particular scene

But that was not said, and besides, thats not what incapable means, when you say they're incapable of it, well thats what it means.
There's simply no other way to interprept it when I come to think about it.

So tell me, what other thing I could possibly had in mind? Had you tried to understand what am I taling about there would have been no confusion whatsoever

I only follow the grammatical procedures as layed out in the english language, incapable means, well, incapable.

...since, of course, you know exactly who is wearing armor and who isn't in SW universe?

Just look at the movies, armor wearers is pretty much limited to stormies, clonetroopers and the Fett's and some bounty hunters in TESB.

"So, there's that smuggler, Han Solo, who just fried poor Greedo and his 2 meters tall Wookie. If I were you i would excercise extreme caution."

"Alright, men, set for lowest setting possible."

No, it'd be more like "The guy you're looking for is Han Solo, docking bay 94, he's armed with a pistol and a Wookie, but thats it, now, about my payment..."

[Ted C]

Is that an insult?

No. Just an observation that the evidence isn't really hard to find if you go looking.

All I've said is that they'd likely used concrete or cement, nothing exotic.

Sorry for the confusion. A lot of people cite "ferrocrete" or something equally futuristic for the composition of the landing bay.

I see, so what is the material then? Some form of rock? Granite?

Based terrain around Mos Eisley, sandstone seems to be a likely candidate.

[Ted C]

It looks like concrete to me in the movie, it's also grey, like concrete.

This just does not look like sandstone:


And the quote that was given, it really doesn't speak of walls, only that it was carved out of the ground, and looking at that pic, it sure doesn't look like it was carved out, it looks like any ordinary concrete structure on earth to me.

Nice choice of pic. The entryway is clearly artificial, and it does look like concrete would be a reasonable example of the material.

[His Divine Shadow]

Sorry for the confusion. A lot of people cite "ferrocrete" or something equally futuristic for the composition of the landing bay

I'd say duracrete, which I believe is the SW analogy to ordinary concrete and I believe a nearly biquotos building material, at any rate looking at the screenshots and video, while the docking bay is carved from the local ground it does not seem to be in direct contact with it, it seems to be internally covered with the SW equivalent of concrete.

[His Divine Shadow]

Nice choice of pic

I hope that wasn't sarcasm I have trouble detecting it as of late

[Ted C]

I hope that wasn't sarcasm

Not at all.

Now if we just had a good source for how much explosive it takes to blow a good-sized hole (say, 0.125 m^3) in a concrete wall...

[Kurgan]

Variable settings are actually canon, since we actually saw a stun setting used in ANH.

Of course I don't need to point out the incredible difference in the visual effect between the "Stun" and "kill" (for lack of a better term) settings on the E-11 blaster rifle the Stormies like to use. Other than that one shot in ANH (to take Leia alive) all the other Stormy shots appear to be the same red energy bolts. What people are saying is that the red energy has variable settings that might not be lethal...

So far we have some EU (official) evidence that this is so (for Solo's blaster).

We've also seen blasts from Stormtrooper rifles vaporize metal from the surface of blast doors (in unknown quantities; all was really saw was the cloud of vapor) in ANH, but only cause a minor injury to Leia in ROTJ.

Yeah, of course in that shot it appears at least half of the actual shot splashed on the side of the armored bunker wall, with only a bit grazing Leia's shoulder (and she was taken out of action and bled, though she was able to squeeze off two shots.... with her other hand I think). It was a Stormy rifle that hit her... I swear.

[His Divine Shadow]

Nice choice of pic. The entryway is clearly artificial, and it does look like concrete would be a reasonable example of the material.

An addendum, I also believe the floor to be harder than the walls, it's supposed to be capable of supporting the weight of a starship after all.

[Slartibartfast]

That's pretty easy to explain: Han doesn't have stormtrooper armor, so the Troops don't need to use a high setting (waste of ammo).

...since they had no idea whenever Han was or wasn't wearing armor...

Right, it's probably that helmet that makes it so hard to see a man that is not wearing completely sealed Stormtrooper armor

Han has to punch thru armor, therefore, higher setting. His gun may or may not be adjustable, but that's irrelevant to the scene.

... since he had no idea that he was about to be fired upon by stormtroopers...[/quote]

Han sees Stormtroopers. Han sets gun to high setting.

Let's try this again, so you pathetic little trollish mind will be able to handle it:

Stormtroopers know that they won't regularly have to shoot other Stormtroopers. Civilians don't wear full blaster-proof body armor. Han either has time to set his gun to the fullest, or he likes always having it in the maximum setting, just in case.

[Slartibartfast]

And thats all fine and dandy, the bullshit comes when you make the assumption that they're INCAPABLE of higher settings.

BZZT! I'm sorry, my friend, but you just made assumption based on something I didn't said.
Specifically, I didn't said that blasters are incapable of higher settings.

Too bad, you once again proved to be a lying bastard. You said yourself that "stormtroopers weapons weren't CAPABLE of doing as much damage as Han's blaster". You're implying they're not CAPABLE of higher settings than those shown in that scene.

[Slartibartfast]

logic eludes me

That's a well-known fact.

[Kurgan]

Sorry for repeating some known facts, I skimmed over the 2nd page and missed that. ; )

[Slartibartfast]

Maybe Kazeite needs to look up the meaning of "uncapable" in a dictionary. So far all he's proved is that he is a very dishonest debater, who contradicts himself and lies all the time about what he did or did not say earlier.

[His Divine Shadow]

Well this is why this forum needs a killfile function

[Ender]

And, I hate to dissapoint you guys, but it wasn't shrapnel that caused Leia's injury (something than can be determined by watching actual movie, not a series of screenshots ) - after Leia stumbles backward we have a good view of the walls near her - they look undamaged to me.

Provide screenshots and an explanation for why there would be bleeding from a shot of a plasma weapons.

[His Divine Shadow]

And, I hate to dissapoint you guys, but it wasn't shrapnel that caused Leia's injury (something than can be determined by watching actual movie, not a series of screenshots ) - after Leia stumbles backward we have a good view of the walls near her - they look undamaged to me.

Provide screenshots and an explanation for why there would be bleeding from a shot of a plasma weapons.

Plasma? Blasters are not plasma

[Ender]

And, I hate to dissapoint you guys, but it wasn't shrapnel that caused Leia's injury (something than can be determined by watching actual movie, not a series of screenshots ) - after Leia stumbles backward we have a good view of the walls near her - they look undamaged to me.

Provide screenshots and an explanation for why there would be bleeding from a shot of a plasma weapons.

Plasma? Blasters are not plasma

You know, I knew that this would get turned down that road when I posted that. I fucking KNEW.

Energy weapon then. Why would there be bleeding after getting hit by a high energy weapon?