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Trailer just gave me an OTgasm. Classic X-wings, stormtroopers, ISD 1s and AT-ATs! :D
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Eternal_Freedom wrote:Well that looks pretty sweet.

Was that a Grand Admiral strutting around in his white uniform?
Maybe, his rank plaques are the same as a fleet Admiral like Piett in the TESB, but with one less rank cylinder (in Saxton's hypothetical that'd make him one step above fleet admiral) but it's not the Grand Admiral Insignia.

He's got dark trousers so he could also be an ISB officer like Yularen but it's unclear.
White tunic and black trousers means ISB. They also wear black hats.

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I'm not particularly happy to see that they recast Mon Mothma. In fact, I do believe that this is the first time they've recast any part to an actor that wasn't simply portraying a younger version of a character.

Hell, they could have given her role to some other high-ranking rebel officer that we never heard of before or even given us a bit of fan service by hiring Jimmy Smits to reprise his role as an old Bail Organa.
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Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

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Well, get used to it. They've got Han Solo and Boba Fett stand alones in the works, I hear, so their is more recasting to come. I wouldn't be all that surprised if Ackbar gets recast too, since the voice actor who portrayed him in the films sadly just died.

I don't care much about recasting. Parts get recast sometimes. It can be mildly irritating, but if they're good they're good, and that's the main thing that matters.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:Well, get used to it. They've got Han Solo and Boba Fett stand alones in the works, I hear, so their is more recasting to come. I wouldn't be all that surprised if Ackbar gets recast too, since the voice actor who portrayed him in the films sadly just died.

I don't care much about recasting. Parts get recast sometimes. It can be mildly irritating, but if they're good they're good, and that's the main thing that matters.
I don't want to get used to it. I'm fine with them recasting the likes Ewan McGregor to play young Obi-Wan, but I don't want to see some other actor play Han Solo during the time that young Harrison Ford owned the role.

And they can recast Ackbar all they want. He's just a voice to me, and an easily imitated one at that. Anyone can inhabit the costume. That goes for the rest of the aliens and masked characters, IMO.
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A quick scene-by-scene:

--Felicity Jones being perp-walked by Rebel soldiers in the classic uniform and silly helmets from ANH. Has it ever been determined where those came from, anyway? Alderaan, perhaps? She's wearing cuffs. Perhaps she's some sort of criminal, a smuggler? Imperial defector?

--Hangar scene, very obviously supposed to be Yavin 4. Classic X-wing in background. Love that. It's a bit brighter than the hangar was in ANH, but perhaps for ANH they went into 'blackout mode' or some such-- they were about to start a battle, after all.

--Control room from ANH. Pretty decent reproduction. Mon Mothma and some sort of Rebel general. No idea if he's supposed to be someone from the movies or the EU. If he's from the EU, Airen Cracken would be a decent fit. Certainly not Jan Dodonna, no beard, and doesn't look like Rieekan or Crix Madine. The actress for Mon Mothma is a *really* good fit though. The costume is almost identical, height and weight looks very much the same, and the face is scarily close.

--Random planet, Felicity Jones in civilian mufti from the looks of it. Gawky droid behind her.

--FJ throwing down with some stormtroopers. Guess she knows kung fu or something. Stuff explodes and sends more stormtroopers flying.

--Ahhh... Imperial-I's. Wotta beauties.

--And then there's this...

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--FJ and whomever the male commando/whatever type guy striding out of the Yavin hangar. Bunch of appropriately outfitted pilots running out. I think the flight suits are a *tad* too red, I remember them being more orangeish, but that's only a minor issue.

--White-uniformed Imperial officer with a big-ass rank bar. Apparently holding a pistol. There appears to be a screen similar to the one on the Death Star behind him, showing what might be a planetary map.

--Stormtroopers with some sort of vehicle, perhaps a light tank of some sort. Can't tell if it has treads or if it's a repulsor vehicle. Couple of aliens in the foreground.

--Forest Whitaker! Wearing what appears to be some sort of armour. Who the hell knows what he's supposed to be.

--Fancy black-armoured troopers. Looks like a moisture vaporator in the background, but there's clear greenery in sight, so I suppose it's some other kind of Star Wars equipment. Fire in the background.

--Looks like pilots being perp-walked through some sort of marketplace.

--FJ, some dude that looks like he's wearing Imperial pants and boots, and the gawky droid from earlier, running through a fancy building of some kind. Could be a starship interior, or even inside the Death Star. Who knows.

--Stormtroopers, including what appear to be a version of the scout-trooper, running through similar setting.

--Donnie Yen. He's supposed to be some kind of Jedi Master or something, isn't he?

--Black-armoured troopers firing. It almost looks like they have some kind of silenced version of the E-11.

--A large four-winged shuttle of some sort blowing up. Judging from the palm trees, it's a pretty sizeable craft. Imperial troop transport, perhaps?

--Rebel soldier taking cover in front of an explosion. Some sort of long-barreled blaster rifle.

--That white-cloaked Imperial officer from earlier (but it could be another character with a white cloak) walking across water with dead stormtroopers in it, wreckage in the background. I wanna say those might be X-wings, but I could well be wrong.

--A cloaked figure entering a large chamber with a glowing tube in it and two Imperial Royal Guards. It almost looks like they faded out just as he starts kneeling?

--Forest Whitaker speaking; next shot is a guy running and shooting. He sorta reminds me of the Kanjiklub guys from TFA for some reason.

--Rebel soldiers running and shooting... confronting AT-AT's. It almost looks like the AT-AT heads are slightly different? More glowy red surfaces.

--FJ in a tube that slowly lights up. She appears to be wearing a breastplate on top of what appears to be a loose black jumpsuit with an Imperial emblem on the shoulder, but she also appears to be wearing an Imperial officer's belt? I suppose that might be how they get the plans, though that seems a bit cheesy.

Thoughts: Forrest Whitaker may be leading a Rebel cell on whatever planet they get the Death Star plans from.

A brief Googling shows that they actually used the same actress for Mon Mothma as they had hired for ROTS. A nice touch, that. This article has a slideshow which has a side-by-side image of her with Caroline Blakiston, who played Mon in ROTJ. The resemblance is uncanny. The outfits are extremely similar but not identical (different chains), but the face and build... damn.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/07/ ... ory-images

I wonder if they're going to bring back Wayne Pygram as Tarkin? They did a pretty decent job of making him up as a younger Tarkin for ROTS, to the point that it's almost a shame they didn't show more of him...

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Oh, and this is still Legends canon, but IIRC the Death Star was built over Despayre, and that's where the Rebels got the plans from. So perhaps the ground battle, stormtroopers etc. are there? No doubt they'll either change the name or it may be a completely different planet, of course...
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Elheru Aran wrote:A brief Googling shows that they actually used the same actress for Mon Mothma as they had hired for ROTS. A nice touch, that. This article has a slideshow which has a side-by-side image of her with Caroline Blakiston, who played Mon in ROTJ. The resemblance is uncanny. The outfits are extremely similar but not identical (different chains), but the face and build... damn.
Yeah, I just discovered that as well. I guess Mon Mothma simply aged a lot in four years. Then again, Mark Hamill's car accident in 1977 and reconstructive surgery made him practically unrecognizable as well. When I was a little kid, I actually thought Luke in TESB was a different actor until my parents told me otherwise.
Elheru Aran wrote:I wonder if they're going to bring back Wayne Pygram as Tarkin? They did a pretty decent job of making him up as a younger Tarkin for ROTS, to the point that it's almost a shame they didn't show more of him...
God, I hope not. His prosthetic looks awful up close and it's not necessary to recast him anyway. While I'd love to have Peter Cushing back, I don't think Tarkin actually needs to be in this so badly that I'd settle for someone else playing the part.

Maybe a CG hologram of Cushing's Tarkin communicating with the Emperor or Vader would be doable though.
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Galvatron wrote: White tunic and black trousers means ISB. They also wear black hats.
Meant.

The story group can declare them internal sanitation officers and that all the ISB wear Kallus' uniform if they wish.

They can make that man a Grand Admiral if it pleases them.
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Tbh stress can age a person very heavily and running a galaxy wide rebellion against a ruthless tyrant isn't exactly a stress free job. Add any possible failed (since she's alive) assassination attempts by the Empire and the level of aging Mon Mothma under goes between Rogue One and Return of the Jedi doesn't seem unbeliveble.

oh about the Tarkin prosthetic that was years ago and not meant to be seen close up (IIRC) and was fine for the scenes it showed up in ROTS so if Tarkin is shown up close they would probably use a better prosthetic.
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Galvatron wrote:
Elheru Aran wrote:A brief Googling shows that they actually used the same actress for Mon Mothma as they had hired for ROTS. A nice touch, that. This article has a slideshow which has a side-by-side image of her with Caroline Blakiston, who played Mon in ROTJ. The resemblance is uncanny. The outfits are extremely similar but not identical (different chains), but the face and build... damn.
Yeah, I just discovered that as well. I guess Mon Mothma simply aged a lot in four years. Then again, Mark Hamill's car accident in 1977 and reconstructive surgery made him practically unrecognizable as well. When I was a little kid, I actually thought Luke in TESB was a different actor until my parents told me otherwise.
Well. You've seen before/after pictures of US Presidents, I'm sure. That's just eight years. I can live with some wear-and-tear happening on someone who's a leader of an active rebellion against the galactic regime, constantly on the run, trying to pull all the discrete cells together as a cohesive Rebellion, and so forth, for four years. Maybe she was on a planet with a lot of sunlight for a year or something, then lost the tan but didn't lose the wrinkles. *shrugs* She's a close enough resemblance that it's only a minor point of contention for me. I'm more impressed that they thought to bring back the same actress from ROTS.
Elheru Aran wrote:I wonder if they're going to bring back Wayne Pygram as Tarkin? They did a pretty decent job of making him up as a younger Tarkin for ROTS, to the point that it's almost a shame they didn't show more of him...
God, I hope not. His prosthetic looks awful up close and it's not necessary to recast him anyway. While I'd love to have Peter Cushing back, I don't think Tarkin actually needs to be in this so badly that I'd settle for someone else playing the part.

Maybe a CG hologram of Cushing's Tarkin communicating with the Emperor or Vader would be doable though.
Pygram looks fine to me, and combined with the inevitable post-processing that films go through these days, could likely be improved upon.

That said, yeah, it's not terribly important for them to have Tarkin in the movie. Be kinda nice, though.

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NecronLord wrote:
Galvatron wrote:White tunic and black trousers means ISB. They also wear black hats.
Meant.

The story group can declare them internal sanitation officers and that all the ISB wear Kallus' uniform if they wish.

They can make that man a Grand Admiral if it pleases them.
The new EU novel, Tarkin, already identified Yularen as a colonel in the ISB, same as the old EU.
More or less on equal footing, the two other groups were made up of members from the Imperial Security Bureau and the more recently created Naval Intelligence Agency, with Harus Ison and Colonel Wullf Yularen speaking for the former, and Vice Admirals Rancit and Screed for the latter.

Luceno, James (2014-11-04). Tarkin: Star Wars (p. 80). Random House Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
Close to Tarkin’s age— though with more gray in his hair and especially in his bushy mustache— Yularen had traded a distinguished career in the Republic Navy for a position in Imperial Security, heading a division devoted to exposing instances of sedition in the Senate. He now served as a liaison between ISB and Military Intelligence.

Luceno, James (2014-11-04). Tarkin: Star Wars (pp. 82-83). Random House Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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I hadn't realised they'd re-cast Mon Mothma until y'all mentioned it. In hindsight I should have realised, but as someone pointed out, it's a very close match.

Also, ISB officer works for me, though I wouldn't complain too badly if he was a Grand Admiral.
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Elheru Aran wrote:--Control room from ANH. Pretty decent reproduction. Mon Mothma and some sort of Rebel general. No idea if he's supposed to be someone from the movies or the EU. If he's from the EU, Airen Cracken would be a decent fit. Certainly not Jan Dodonna, no beard, and doesn't look like Rieekan or Crix Madine. The actress for Mon Mothma is a *really* good fit though. The costume is almost identical, height and weight looks very much the same, and the face is scarily close.
Dodona seems to be in the trailer:
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Elheru Aran wrote:Bunch of appropriately outfitted pilots running out.
about that, found in the interwebs:
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Nice catches.

I wouldn't be too surprised to see Red Squadron in the movie, yeah. I mean, they were operating out of Yavin and seemed fairly established by the time we saw them in ANH. Would make sense to see them running a few missions in support of the team snatching the plans.

I'm just really, really damn hoping that the bit with the glowing tube and the Imperial Guards isn't going to turn out to be a clone Emperor... they can't be dumb enough to try and resurrect Dark Empire, can they?
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wautd wrote:Looks like this is going to be amazing.

PS. what's the main visual differenec between an ISD1 and ISD2? I always thought they looked very similar :s
Also, 3 axial turrets immediately forward of the terrace in place of the solid extension on the ISD2. Baffles around the main engine bells, and quad guns in the small trench notch aft. Also, tractor projector/dish like details between the main and secondary bays. The sensor globes are different - the ISDI uses a hexagonal facet while the ISD2 uses triangular facets. Bridge face is different - it's a vertical 28cm triple turret greeble for an ISD2 (presumably ending in the windowed module we seen in the TESB interior shots, and for the I there's a large armored structure instead.

The shot in the trailer is a combination of ISDI and ISD2. The ISDI studio model recreated faithfully would look awful in CG - there's simply not enough detail on it. It looks like they took the ISDI tower, turrets, and maybe the first layer of terrace, and then based the rest of the Avenger model from TESB.
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Elheru Aran wrote: I'm just really, really damn hoping that the bit with the glowing tube and the Imperial Guards isn't going to turn out to be a clone Emperor... they can't be dumb enough to try and resurrect Dark Empire, can they?
Why can't they just have the original one? This is pre-ANH. The guy's still up and about.
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Yeah.

Clone Emperor would be pointless in this film unless they're trying to set up his return in the Sequel Trilogy or something.

Which I would strongly oppose.
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Another little thing noone here have ponited out yet.

If she is Jyn Erso:
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Elheru Aran wrote: I'm just really, really damn hoping that the bit with the glowing tube and the Imperial Guards isn't going to turn out to be a clone Emperor... they can't be dumb enough to try and resurrect Dark Empire, can they?
Why can't they just have the original one? This is pre-ANH. The guy's still up and about.
IIRC, he was already starting to swap bodies during the OT.

No reason they couldn't have the original (I don't think the cast includes Ian McDiarmid though), but there's not many reasons there would be Imperial Royal Guards around a glowing tube in the middle of a clean room... A few different guesses: Suspended animation tank (maybe he put Vader on ice for a fuck-up?). Holographic projector of some kind. Bacta tank (gotta keep the old prune-face in good shape, after all).

And are that guy's eyes pointing in the same direction? I could swear they're almost at a 90-degree angle... OK, on second glance, it's just the light reflecting off his eyeball, he's simply looking almost straight sideways, so the pupil of his far eye is being shadowed and hard to see in the dim lighting.
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It's possible that presence of the emperor is a suppose to be secret and thus Ian MacDiarmid isn't on the cast list even though he's in the film (it's possible though I don't know how probable it would be to pull it off), again we don't know if the tube even contains a person it could a database that contains the only full copy of the death star plans (the builders getting only parts relevant to their job).
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Elheru Aran wrote:IIRC, he was already starting to swap bodies during the OT.
That's stated by him in Dark Empire and implied in the Dark Empire endnotes, though later canonmiesters at LFL have disavowed that idea and said he was lying to rattle Luke, and that Endor was his first death.
No reason they couldn't have the original (I don't think the cast includes Ian McDiarmid though), but there's not many reasons there would be Imperial Royal Guards around a glowing tube in the middle of a clean room... A few different guesses: Suspended animation tank (maybe he put Vader on ice for a fuck-up?). Holographic projector of some kind. Bacta tank (gotta keep the old prune-face in good shape, after all).
Could be anything really. It could even be an Imperial Courtesan in a bacta tank after someone attacked him/her and the dude kneeling is an inquisitor assigned to hunt down the attackers in an amusing if unlikely B plot, there's really all manner of possibilities. We don't really know the limits of what the Imperial Guards do.
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Although the presence of the Guards in the film, given their association with the Emperor, does suggest the possibility of a Palpatine appearance.

I'm hoping, given the time frame and Mothma's presence, that they'll show us the disbanding of the Senate on screen. That would be a time for Palpatine to show up.

Can't have him in combat, because realistically he ought to mop the floor with anyone else in the galaxy at this point, except maybe Yoda.
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NecronLord wrote:
No reason they couldn't have the original (I don't think the cast includes Ian McDiarmid though), but there's not many reasons there would be Imperial Royal Guards around a glowing tube in the middle of a clean room... A few different guesses: Suspended animation tank (maybe he put Vader on ice for a fuck-up?). Holographic projector of some kind. Bacta tank (gotta keep the old prune-face in good shape, after all).
Could be anything really. It could even be an Imperial Courtesan in a bacta tank after someone attacked him/her and the dude kneeling is an inquisitor assigned to hunt down the attackers in an amusing if unlikely B plot, there's really all manner of possibilities. We don't really know the limits of what the Imperial Guards do.
Yeah, that's fair enough. This is a little too early to really tell a whole lot about the movie from what's happening in the teaser. Hopefully the full trailer will tell us more. That should come out a few months before the actual release.
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I'll mention the female lead because I really don't think Rey was handled well, as I am vocally part of the "she's a mary sue fanfic char" crowd. I feel that she weakened the film.

Also, I was still holding out hope for Kyle Katarn, but I suppose the last remnants of the old EU have been swept away. At least we get a wedge cameo if screencaps are any indication.
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APlayerHater wrote:I'll mention the female lead because I really don't think Rey was handled well, as I am vocally part of the "she's a mary sue fanfic char" crowd. I feel that she weakened the film.
What does that have to do with the new lead being female? Unless you're actually trying to argue that the reason Rey was weak is because she was female, I'm not sure what your point is.

Anyway, I personally think your take on Rey is a little too harsh. I found her personality likeable enough and have no complaints about the actor. I just think she wasn't very well developed. Sloppy script and shallow characterization.
Also, I was still holding out hope for Kyle Katarn, but I suppose the last remnants of the old EU have been swept away. At least we get a wedge cameo if screencaps are any indication.
Actually, a surprising amount of the old EU seems to be slipping back into the new continuity. It was never about eliminating the EU, I think. It was about giving the new management the freedom to pick and choose what to keep. Which is reasonable. You don't want to be trapped by decades of often bad, often convoluted, and sometimes inconsistent baggage.
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Make that mostly bad, mostly convoluted and mostly inconsistent garbage. Let's face it, a lot of the old EU just plain sucked and/or was completely useless (did we REALLY need a background story for every single character in the ANH cantina sequence?) Then there's such antigems like KJAs work or 'The Crystal Star' (not to mention Karen Traviss, the machinations of whom I thankfully never ran into). Wars fans have argued about what to keep and what to ditch since before this board existed. I certainly won't fault Disney for exercising that option now they have it.
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'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'
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