Looking for positive accomplishments by contemporary Muslims

[U.P. Cinnabar]

It's also doner in Australia. I think NS might be the outlier here.

Entirely possible it's a case of tomato/tomahto. I need to get out more.

[Broomstick]

Err.... in fact Muslims DO NOT believe Jesus of Nazareth is the son of God. They accept him as a man and a prophet, not as anything more than that.

I know but that's kind of core to christian belief isn't it?

That was my point, Broomstick, just because Muslims don't belive that Jeesus was the son of God doesn't mean we should condem every single muslim in the world as unrepentent terrorist worth nothing but a summary execution (in fact I don't belive even terrorist deserve summary executions but that's besides the point) or more specifically it was a example of a belief that's enough of a core part of christianity that you assume all christians belive that.

I still find your posts confusing.

Jews don't believe Jesus was the son of God, or even a prophet, yet the don't have the same terrorist reputation. Ditto for Hindus. And Buddhists. Obviously there are bigots out there, but those other categories of non-Christians don't inspire the same levels of fear.

Also, you seem to be assuming I'm Christian or that most people here are Christian and we're not. I'm also pretty firmly anti-death penalty.

Maybe it's just your wording.

[Raw Shark]

You want an example that will resonate with ordinary working people? The doner kebab. Traditional late-night meal bought after staggering out of a pub after Last Orders all over the British Isles, and probably many parts of North America as well.

The doner kebab is virtually unknown as street food* in the USA from what I've seen in my travels, but almost every city block that is home to at least one drinking establishment has a cart busily slinging gyros, which are the extremely similar Greek version of the same thing from what I understand. The kebab's popularity in Canada and the donair spelling/pronunciation are probably the results of the greater British and French influence on Canadian culture, respectively. It's döner kebap in the original Turkish, according to Wikipedia, for what that's worth.

Also, I'm pretty sure from context that Lord Revan meant to say that Jesus = God's literal son is one of the universal beliefs of Christians regardless of sect there and just brain-farted Muslims while writing it, correct me if I'm wrong LR.

* Though I have seen them in at least one British-themed pub, which also serves up Pakistani food.

[Lord Revan]

Err.... in fact Muslims DO NOT believe Jesus of Nazareth is the son of God. They accept him as a man and a prophet, not as anything more than that.

I know but that's kind of core to christian belief isn't it?

That was my point, Broomstick, just because Muslims don't belive that Jeesus was the son of God doesn't mean we should condem every single muslim in the world as unrepentent terrorist worth nothing but a summary execution (in fact I don't belive even terrorist deserve summary executions but that's besides the point) or more specifically it was a example of a belief that's enough of a core part of christianity that you assume all christians belive that.

I still find your posts confusing.

Jews don't believe Jesus was the son of God, or even a prophet, yet the don't have the same terrorist reputation. Ditto for Hindus. And Buddhists. Obviously there are bigots out there, but those other categories of non-Christians don't inspire the same levels of fear.

Also, you seem to be assuming I'm Christian or that most people here are Christian and we're not. I'm also pretty firmly anti-death penalty.

Maybe it's just your wording.

probably just wording I'm not a native speaker of english, while my english is pretty good (or so I'm told) sometimes I have issues expressing myself. I used christianity as a) most westerners are christians b)even non-christian westerners are generally familiar with the core concepts of christianity, I don't know what your religious beliefs are and quite frankly that's irrelevant to my point anyway. What I was trying to say is that we shouldn't judge all members of a religion (there's millions muslims on Earth atm) as terrorist.

I mean I personally had history teacher in Lukio (rough equilevant of high school) who dispite being palestinian (a man without a country as he put) considered the whole "jihad" concept to spiritual struggle and those who thought it as literal holy war to be insane. Granted that's just 1 man but he made no attempts to hide the fact we was a muslim, so tell me should arrest him for terrorism just because some muslims somewhere are terrorists? A second point I was trying to make was that we shouldn't dismiss positive contributions of muslims just because they didn't shout "praise God!" or "praise Allah" if you want to be pendantic) when they did make that contribution.

[Lord Revan]

Also, I'm pretty sure from context that Lord Revan meant to say that Jesus = God's literal son is one of the universal beliefs of Christians regardless of sect there and just brain-farted Muslims while writing it, correct me if I'm wrong LR.

You're largely correct thanks to combination of english as second language and dyslexia I worded it very poorly.

what I was trying to refer is core beliefs of islam similar to what "Jeesus is the son of God" is christianity, litany "there's only one God and Muhammed is his prophet" comes to mind as such core belief of Islam. Basically something you have to belive in in order to be consider a muslim.

[Raw Shark]

probably just wording I'm not a native speaker of english, while my english is pretty good (or so I'm told) sometimes I have issues expressing myself.

Your English is a lot better than my [insert your native language here].

I used christianity as a) most westerners are christians b)even non-christian westerners are generally familiar with the core concepts of christianity,

True.

I don't know what your religious beliefs are

For the record, she's a pagan and I'm an atheist. This board is pretty diverse.

and quite frankly that's irrelevant to my point anyway. What I was trying to say is that we shouldn't judge all members of a religion (there's millions muslims on Earth atm) as terrorist.

True again.

[Lord Revan]

probably just wording I'm not a native speaker of english, while my english is pretty good (or so I'm told) sometimes I have issues expressing myself.

Your English is a lot better than my [insert your native language here].

It's finnish and that's not so hard to belive and as I stated I have mild dyslexia so sometimes I think I wrote something one way when I actually didn't, so sometimes I get some "creative" wordings even when writing finnish.

[Broomstick]

It's alright - I think we've got it figured out now. No worries, I know English isn't your first language, that's why I said I didn't understand what you were trying to say.