The 2016 US Election (Part II)

[The Romulan Republic]

Anyone want to venture predictions about today's votes?

Its not over until its over, of course, but if I had to guess: Sanders takes Rhode Island (unless the loss in New York makes enough Sanders supporters just give up), Clinton everything else (though only Maryland is a landslide).

Sucks, but there it is.

[Purple]

Are the republicans voting too? How goes Trump?

[The Romulan Republic]

Well, the Nazi recently won New York by a huge margin, but I honestly have no idea how he's polling in today's states.

[Gandalf]

Are the republicans voting too? How goes Trump?

The GOP are voting in Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Maryland, Delaware and Rhode Island. According to fivethirtyeight's forecasting tool, Trump has a 99% chance to win in each state.

I remain amused at the US's inability to democracy.

[The Romulan Republic]

Ugg. Fucking Drumpf sweep?

Tomorrow's probably going to be really, really depressing. Nothing to crown the misery of a Clinton win like a Drumpf win.

[Gaidin]

More like really really normal as opposed to depressing. It's hard to make excuses for competition after New York, no matter how far either of them are from required earned delegates.

[The Romulan Republic]

Something can be simultaneously normal and depressing, you know.

And when you say "It's hard to make excuses for competition", are you suggesting that all other candidates should drop out of the race? Even Clinton isn't saying that Sanders should drop out.

Its not an "excuse". Its called "letting everyone have their God damn vote."

[Gandalf]

And when you say "It's hard to make excuses for competition", are you suggesting that all other candidates should drop out of the race? Even Clinton isn't saying that Sanders should drop out.

Its not an "excuse". Its called "letting everyone have their God damn vote."

I see your point, but there comes a point where it's not really accomplishing anything, and a candidate can do more by trying to work with the presumptive winner, rather than drawing it out. Presumably it depends on how much they're in it for themselves or the party.

Also, do you feel an irony in both calling someone a Nazi and then making fun of their ancestor's non-Anglicised name?

[The Romulan Republic]

We've been over the Drumpf thing before, and the reasons for it (hint- it isn't because he's from a non-English background). I don't want to rehash it, and anyone who cares to can go look up those posts. But for suggesting that my using that name while condemning Drumpf's Nazi-esque behaviour is somehow hypocritical, as though using that name is in any way comparable to being a Nazi, you can go fuck yourself.

As to staying in the race... I'm of two minds about it. On the one hand, the primary has gotten really fucking vicious and dragging it out could worsen that and endanger the general election. On the other hand, most of that nastiness isn't Sanders' fault, and it seems terribly unfair to tell him that he should just step aside while it is still technically possible for him to win and a whole bunch of states haven't voted yet. Also, I want him to have as much influence as possible on the Democratic Party at the convention. As long as he's prepared to back Clinton if he doesn't win, I can't really begrudge him staying in.

And on the Republican side... well, I loath them all to varying degrees, so I want the infighting to last as long as possible.

[Flagg]

Something can be simultaneously normal and depressing, you know.

And when you say "It's hard to make excuses for competition", are you suggesting that all other candidates should drop out of the race? Even Clinton isn't saying that Sanders should drop out.

Its not an "excuse". Its called "letting everyone have their God damn vote."

Bullshit. There comes a point where mathematically your vote doesn't matter. It's so unlikely for Sanders to pull a win (like the 'D' in front of his name) out of his ass that by continuing this charade all he's doing is damaging the presumptive nominee and wasting money that would be better spent hammering whichever turd the GOP plops out before they can start polishing it up. All this whinging about letting everyone vote is childish sore loser bullshit. It's a party primary anyway, not a goddamned vote for office.

And when it is a vote for POTUS, the past 2 rounds were called by the media at 10-11pm EST whenever the polls closed on the West coast. When people were still voting in Hawaii. Because even our shit media is still grownup enough to know when to stop beating a dead horse. Except FOX, but they're not really journalists.

[Flagg]

And when you say "It's hard to make excuses for competition", are you suggesting that all other candidates should drop out of the race? Even Clinton isn't saying that Sanders should drop out.

Its not an "excuse". Its called "letting everyone have their God damn vote."

Also, do you feel an irony in both calling someone a Nazi and then making fun of their ancestor's non-Anglicised name?

No, because he's got the mindset of a 12 year old. Everything's a conspiracy and Trump's ancestors had a silly name! No matter that it shits on all of us whose anscestors were forcibly name-changed off the boat. Like from Kaufph to Cobb, like my mothers maiden name.

[Gandalf]

Also, do you feel an irony in both calling someone a Nazi and then making fun of their ancestor's non-Anglicised name?

No, because he's got the mindset of a 12 year old. Everything's a conspiracy and Trump's ancestors had a silly name! No matter that it shits on all of us whose anscestors were forcibly name-changed off the boat. Like from Kaufph to Cobb, like my mothers maiden name.

It reminds me a lot of the people who kept saying "Barack HUSSEIN Obama*" regardless of the context.

*Or other versions which kept bringing his middle name in.

[The Romulan Republic]

Flagg, you have a consistent and despicable fondness for false personal attacks. I most certainly and obviously do not think that everything's a conspiracy. I think that political corruption exists, and that their have been legally and ethically questionable actions taken by people in power in this primary specifically, especially after shit like the well-documented voter suppression in New York. And your attempt to insinuate that I am a racist because of my use of Drumpf is deeply offensive (and yes, that's exactly what you're doing).

Also, while I fully acknowledge that it is highly unlikely (though factually not impossible) for Sanders to win, that does not mean that those who wish to cast their votes for him should not have an opportunity to do so before Clinton gets her crown. Again, not even Clinton is saying Sanders should drop out. This is just your sad personal obsession with hating Bernie Sanders for joining the Democratic Party to run for President or whatever other thing you're whining about.

Also, I just want to quote this for the record, because among the long list of repulsive things you've said, its a stand out:

"All this whinging about letting everyone vote is childish sore loser bullshit."

That is honestly one of the more flagrantly authoritarian and anti-democratic sentiments imaginable. But its nice to know that you have such blatant contempt for the other sides' voting rights.

Gandalf, the two are not comparable. One is an attempt to insinuate that Obama is a Muslim and therefore bad. The other is an attempt to ridicule the Trump brand name. They are in no way analogous, which is obvious to anyone who isn't a pathetic liar.

Let me be blunt: I take false accusations or insinuations of racism very seriously. I consider this angle you and Flagg are pushing defamatory and pathetic.

Edit: I also want to state that because I do not wish to derail this thread any further, and because this has been rehashed to death, I will not be debating the issue of Drumpf any further. I've said all I have to say on the subject, and this is falling into a broken record. When and if a moderator or administrator tells me I can't use the name, I will desist from doing so. Until that day, I will continue to do so. I will not argue the point. I will simply ignore it, or use the report button if I feel it is warranted.

[Mr Bean]

Is it a false accusation if it's true?
You use Drumpf over and over again, your inventing your own name to call someone instead of their real name. Your intending it as an insult and your refering to racial identity when doing so.

Sounds kinda of you know... racey... almost racist almost as if you were insulting the son of an immigrant for his family name because you believe he's an Other.

*Edit
Your not calling him a shitbag, Turd blossom, asshole, fatass, dumbass, dickhead, kook, a lardass, loudmouth or meathead. He's not a nutter, a psycho or crazy.

He's a Drumpf. And Drumpf is not slang for anything except it's a name of immigrants to America, which is in an odd way how Kike came to be (Look up the history of Kike, it's one of those odd ball interesting bits of history).

[Knife]

Is it a false accusation if it's true?
You use Drumpf over and over again, your inventing your own name to call someone instead of their real name. Your intending it as an insult and your refering to racial identity when doing so.

Sounds kinda of you know... racey... almost racist almost as if you were insulting the son of an immigrant for his family name because you believe he's an Other.

This is a silly line of attack. While I don't do the Drumft thing, all it is is pointing out the hypocracy on Trump's views about immigrants. Nothing more nothing less. Twisting it around on TRR is dumb. You guys sound better when you just attack him on his hyperbole and hyperventilating.

[Flagg]

Flagg, you have a consistent and despicable fondness for false personal attacks. I most certainly and obviously do not think that everything's a conspiracy. I think that political corruption exists, and that their have been legally and ethically questionable actions taken by people in power in this primary specifically, especially after shit like the well-documented voter suppression in New York. And your attempt to insinuate that I am a racist because of my use of Drumpf is deeply offensive (and yes, that's exactly what you're doing).

Also, while I fully acknowledge that it is highly unlikely (though factually not impossible) for Sanders to win, that does not mean that those who wish to cast their votes for him should not have an opportunity to do so before Clinton gets her crown. Again, not even Clinton is saying Sanders should drop out. This is just your sad personal obsession with hating Bernie Sanders for joining the Democratic Party to run for President or whatever other thing you're whining about.

Also, I just want to quote this for the record, because among the long list of repulsive things you've said, its a stand out:

"All this whinging about letting everyone vote is childish sore loser bullshit."

That is honestly one of the more flagrantly authoritarian and anti-democratic sentiments imaginable. But its nice to know that you have such blatant contempt for the other sides' voting rights.

Gandalf, the two are not comparable. One is an attempt to insinuate that Obama is a Muslim and therefore bad. The other is an attempt to ridicule the Trump brand name. They are in no way analogous, which is obvious to anyone who isn't a pathetic liar.

Let me be blunt: I take false accusations or insinuations of racism very seriously. I consider this angle you and Flagg are pushing defamatory and pathetic.

Edit: I also want to state that because I do not wish to derail this thread any further, and because this has been rehashed to death, I will not be debating the issue of Drumpf any further. I've said all I have to say on the subject, and this is falling into a broken record. When and if a moderator or administrator tells me I can't use the name, I will desist from doing so. Until that day, I will continue to do so. I will not argue the point. I will simply ignore it, or use the report button if I feel it is warranted.

God you are a pathetic and narcissistic wimp. Aside from calling you a conspiracy nutter (which is fact, it's illustrated over the past several pages) with the mindset of a 12 year old "hurr hurr, he had anscestors with a silly name, so I'll mock him over it despite it being the result of American bigotry and ignorance towards immigrants in the 19th and early 20th century!", everything I've said has been refuting nonsense put out there by Sanders supporters and general responses to your arguments, which I've seen in one form or another everywhere, not "derogatory personal attacks". Maybe there's a teen chat forum you can go to that caters to your whiny nonsense, but last I looked this was SDN, and it doesn't.

And I never called you a racist, so go change your pampers. As far as my stance on the primaries, it's widely held. Old man Sanders shook his fist at the sky, it's not going to be a Clinton coronation, it's my opinion that he now sit down, shut up, and if his dentures can handle it, eat some popcorn while watching the GOP self-destruct as opposed to further damaging the democratic nominee. Unless you think those indictments are coming, I can't remember if you're one of those idiots, too. It's possible he could pull off a win. It's also possible that a gamma ray burst will fry the planet before I post this. But it's so unlikely, it may as well be impossible.

Well what do you know? Earth ain't fried.

[Knife]

Something can be simultaneously normal and depressing, you know.

And when you say "It's hard to make excuses for competition", are you suggesting that all other candidates should drop out of the race? Even Clinton isn't saying that Sanders should drop out.

Its not an "excuse". Its called "letting everyone have their God damn vote."

Bullshit. There comes a point where mathematically your vote doesn't matter. It's so unlikely for Sanders to pull a win (like the 'D' in front of his name) out of his ass that by continuing this charade all he's doing is damaging the presumptive nominee and wasting money that would be better spent hammering whichever turd the GOP plops out before they can start polishing it up. All this whinging about letting everyone vote is childish sore loser bullshit. It's a party primary anyway, not a goddamned vote for office.

And when it is a vote for POTUS, the past 2 rounds were called by the media at 10-11pm EST whenever the polls closed on the West coast. When people were still voting in Hawaii. Because even our shit media is still grownup enough to know when to stop beating a dead horse. Except FOX, but they're not really journalists.

Bullshit, he stays in because he is the mouth piece for a large section of not only the democrats but American's who think Hilary is a corporate, centrist, establishment, piece of shit. Those people want him to keep hitting her on her left so she has to tact left and not RIGHT. If Sanders dropped out when they first mentioned it, she'd be talking about gun rights and building a fucking wall by Mexico by now.

And before the telegraphed repose comes, just because that group isn't 51% of the voting block doesn't make their views wrong or non valid. And if all they have is Sanders, who won't win at this point, that can still publicly attack her on the left, then so be it.

[Flagg]

Also, do you feel an irony in both calling someone a Nazi and then making fun of their ancestor's non-Anglicised name?

No, because he's got the mindset of a 12 year old. Everything's a conspiracy and Trump's ancestors had a silly name! No matter that it shits on all of us whose anscestors were forcibly name-changed off the boat. Like from Kaufph to Cobb, like my mothers maiden name.

It reminds me a lot of the people who kept saying "Barack HUSSEIN Obama*" regardless of the context.

*Or other versions which kept bringing his middle name in.

Meh, that was very racist to scream ARAB TERRORIST!!!

The Trump ancestry name is just stupid silly childishness, like prepubescent "hurr hurr silly name!".

I personally find it offensive due to my family history, it's kind of robbing someone of their identity IMO, but I don't expect everyone to hold to that. I mean it certainly doesn't rise to the level of slaves being given Greek, Roman, or just anglicized names, as the immigrants could have easily said "fuck this, then" and gone home. Assuming they had money left, but you get my drift.

I just find it disrespectful to the tens of millions of Americans of Central, Eastern European, and let us certainly not forget those of Asian descent it happened to.

[Flagg]

Something can be simultaneously normal and depressing, you know.

And when you say "It's hard to make excuses for competition", are you suggesting that all other candidates should drop out of the race? Even Clinton isn't saying that Sanders should drop out.

Its not an "excuse". Its called "letting everyone have their God damn vote."

Bullshit. There comes a point where mathematically your vote doesn't matter. It's so unlikely for Sanders to pull a win (like the 'D' in front of his name) out of his ass that by continuing this charade all he's doing is damaging the presumptive nominee and wasting money that would be better spent hammering whichever turd the GOP plops out before they can start polishing it up. All this whinging about letting everyone vote is childish sore loser bullshit. It's a party primary anyway, not a goddamned vote for office.

And when it is a vote for POTUS, the past 2 rounds were called by the media at 10-11pm EST whenever the polls closed on the West coast. When people were still voting in Hawaii. Because even our shit media is still grownup enough to know when to stop beating a dead horse. Except FOX, but they're not really journalists.

Bullshit, he stays in because he is the mouth piece for a large section of not only the democrats but American's who think Hilary is a corporate, centrist, establishment, piece of shit. Those people want him to keep hitting her on her left so she has to tact left and not RIGHT. If Sanders dropped out when they first mentioned it, she'd be talking about gun rights and building a fucking wall by Mexico by now.

And before the telegraphed repose comes, just because that group isn't 51% of the voting block doesn't make their views wrong or non valid. And if all they have is Sanders, who won't win at this point, that can still publicly attack her on the left, then so be it.

Umm, but all he talks about is Wall Street. You're on about gun rights (Sanders has an interesting history there) and a wall with Mexico, but has Sanders said anything about those? Because everything just goes back to WALLSTREET WALLSTREET WALLSTREET, not walls and guns. In fact Clinton seems to be doing pretty fucking good with Latino Americans.

[Flagg]

Is it a false accusation if it's true?
You use Drumpf over and over again, your inventing your own name to call someone instead of their real name. Your intending it as an insult and your refering to racial identity when doing so.

Sounds kinda of you know... racey... almost racist almost as if you were insulting the son of an immigrant for his family name because you believe he's an Other.

This is a silly line of attack. While I don't do the Drumft thing, all it is is pointing out the hypocracy on Trump's views about immigrants. Nothing more nothing less. Twisting it around on TRR is dumb. You guys sound better when you just attack him on his hyperbole and hyperventilating.

To be fair I never called him a racist for that. I don't think he is, either. I just think it's childish nonsense that does hit a nerve with some, and I find it uncomfortable.

[The Romulan Republic]

Flagg, it is absolutely false to treat Sanders as a single issue candidate who only talks about Wall Street, and you are literally repeating a Clinton campaign talking point.

Sanders has, both through the debates and through social media, expressed positions on almost any issue you can name. Yes, he focusses more on Wall Street than on many other issues, because he believes (with reason), that big money in politics and the rigged economy are major problems that make it harder to address all those other issues. But it is far from his only point.

[Flagg]

Flagg, it is absolutely false to treat Sanders as a single issue candidate who only talks about Wall Street, and you are literally repeating a Clinton campaign talking point.

Sanders has, both through the debates and through social media, expressed positions on almost any issue you can name. Yes, he focusses more on Wall Street than on many other issues, because he believes (with reason), that big money in politics and the rigged economy are major problems that make it harder to address all those other issues. But it is far from his only point.

Ok, so what is his position on how to deal with ISIS? How does he feel about immigration reform? What is his position on Guantanamo, Afghanistan, and foreign policy in general?

[Knife]

Umm, but all he talks about is Wall Street. You're on about gun rights (Sanders has an interesting history there) and a wall with Mexico, but has Sanders said anything about those? Because everything just goes back to WALLSTREET WALLSTREET WALLSTREET, not walls and guns. In fact Clinton seems to be doing pretty fucking good with Latino Americans.

The gun bit was snark on my part. And yes, Sander's, rightfully so, focuses on the main problem in America right now. Rampant corruption. How else do you free up the political system to actually fix the other problems, instead of being paid off to do nothing?

[Flagg]

Umm, but all he talks about is Wall Street. You're on about gun rights (Sanders has an interesting history there) and a wall with Mexico, but has Sanders said anything about those? Because everything just goes back to WALLSTREET WALLSTREET WALLSTREET, not walls and guns. In fact Clinton seems to be doing pretty fucking good with Latino Americans.

The gun bit was snark on my part. And yes, Sander's, rightfully so, focuses on the main problem in America right now. Rampant corruption. How else do you free up the political system to actually fix the other problems, instead of being paid off to do nothing?

That's nice. But you don't get to choose which type of POTUS you're going to be, and right now the topic taking up most of out Presidents time is foreign policy. That's why, as much as it pains me to say so because I hate the bitch, Clinton is the best choice for this cycle.

[Knife]

Sorry, not sold on Clinton being the super uber foreign policy person that in any way makes an elevation of foreign policy over domestic. I, for one, am not overly scared of shitbags trying to reclaim their sand pile half way across the globe to the point I'd sacrifice reform at home for a strong person to fight the evil jihadists.