Thought about invasion of Federation

[Gandalf]

At the inanely fast speed of hyperspace, it seems they moves faster tham the commuications, so why not hit Earth before the Feds even know the Empire exists, you could wipe the AQ powers of the map.

(As a note, I got the Fed comm speed from Voyager ("Eye of the Needle"), Janeway: "... A transmission to Starfleet would take years..."

[Vympel]

Well, Admiral- did you read the site?

[Gandalf]

I read it, but that implied that the relay station be destroyed, I figured that step could be bypassed entirely.

[Vympel]

I read it, but that implied that the relay station be destroyed, I figured that step could be bypassed entirely.

Sure, if you're certain that eliminating Earth will end resistance. Better to destroy em all at the same time.

We have the ships. We have the weapons. We need SOLDIERS!

[Gandalf]

I read it, but that implied that the relay station be destroyed, I figured that step could be bypassed entirely.

Sure, if you're certain that eliminating Earth will end resistance. Better to destroy em all at the same time.

We have the ships. We have the weapons. We need SOLDIERS!

I'll explain more tomorrow, my connection's about to time out for the day

[Darth Fanboy]

We have the ships. We have the weapons. We need SOLDIERS!

Thanks to a few long limbed entrepreneurs on the outer rim that shouldn't be a problem. If that fails we can always manufacture a few million soldiers which should be at least marginally superior to redshirts and bat'leth wielding Klingons.

Gandalf, if what you're saying is that destroying Earth and possibly all of the capital worlds of the Alpha Quadrant will bring immediate victory let me pose to you a different senario. Although the Aq powers would undoubtedly be weakened by that sort of loss, especially the overly Earth-central Federation, there woyuld still be smatterings of resistance and possibly the resistance forces of the Aq would be scattered further. The Empire will obviously be seeking to lure as many federation ships into large scake confrontations.

You also want to be careful about which planets you destroy, although the BDZ is entertaining planets such as Earth will want to be taken intact if possible, which the Empire can do.

[Gandalf]

We have the ships. We have the weapons. We need SOLDIERS!

Thanks to a few long limbed entrepreneurs on the outer rim that shouldn't be a problem. If that fails we can always manufacture a few million soldiers which should be at least marginally superior to redshirts and bat'leth wielding Klingons.

Gandalf, if what you're saying is that destroying Earth and possibly all of the capital worlds of the Alpha Quadrant will bring immediate victory let me pose to you a different senario. Although the Aq powers would undoubtedly be weakened by that sort of loss, especially the overly Earth-central Federation, there woyuld still be smatterings of resistance and possibly the resistance forces of the Aq would be scattered further. The Empire will obviously be seeking to lure as many federation ships into large scake confrontations.

You also want to be careful about which planets you destroy, although the BDZ is entertaining planets such as Earth will want to be taken intact if possible, which the Empire can do.

As I see it-

- Wipe out Earth, and other relevant worlds (with Comm jamming active), everyone goes nuts with paranoia.

- Make your presence known and claim responsibility for the attacks. Place ultimatum on table, ordering immediate surrender, smaller powers fall into line immediately.

- All the powers gather a force to stop you.

- Meet and destroy that fleet, announce that for every attack on an Imperial ship, another world will we wiped from existence.

- A few worlds later, the Feds surrender.

[Admiral Johnason]

We have the ships. We have the weapons. We need SOLDIERS!

Thanks to a few long limbed entrepreneurs on the outer rim that shouldn't be a problem. If that fails we can always manufacture a few million soldiers which should be at least marginally superior to redshirts and bat'leth wielding Klingons.

Gandalf, if what you're saying is that destroying Earth and possibly all of the capital worlds of the Alpha Quadrant will bring immediate victory let me pose to you a different senario. Although the Aq powers would undoubtedly be weakened by that sort of loss, especially the overly Earth-central Federation, there woyuld still be smatterings of resistance and possibly the resistance forces of the Aq would be scattered further. The Empire will obviously be seeking to lure as many federation ships into large scake confrontations.

You also want to be careful about which planets you destroy, although the BDZ is entertaining planets such as Earth will want to be taken intact if possible, which the Empire can do.

As I see it-

- Wipe out Earth, and other relevant worlds (with Comm jamming active), everyone goes nuts with paranoia.

- Make your presence known and claim responsibility for the attacks. Place ultimatum on table, ordering immediate surrender, smaller powers fall into line immediately.

- All the powers gather a force to stop you.

- Meet and destroy that fleet, announce that for every attack on an Imperial ship, another world will we wiped from existence.

- A few worlds later, the Feds surrender.

Let's forget that that senario would be overly easy and not be fitting of the governments and take a pek at the reasons.

First, it is always a good idea to build up your force's experiences when dealing with a new enemy. You know, get the feel of the land.

Second, this would lead to post invasion problems in terms of public relations.

Third, you do not remove the leaders of a power in the opening shots of war. You attempt a diplomatic solution and then go to war if you can't get your opponent to back down.

Fourth, You would in theory come out of this as the bad guy by starting the conflict. It is always better to make it look as though the cultures were incompatable and your's must surive.

And fifth, did the whloe one planet for one ship thing never works. it always incites the other powers and the resistance powers in your own backyard against you. I point to the Centuri's occupation of Narn and several different expamles on Earth.

[Master of Ossus]

It would, IMO, be better to leave Earth and the other major worlds intact and attempt to engage the Federation fleet directly. With their starships defeated, it might be even easier to earn concessions from the remaining worlds. This way, your fleet would be better able to use its speed advantage without being pinned to defend potentially vulnerable planets. Also, it would prevent incurring substantial damage to the planets which may be useful once they surrender to become a part of the Empire.

[Admiral Johnason]

But still, would it not be preferential to have your forces gain experience against a nearly unkown foe, no matter how much intel you have on him, to gain experiance?

[Gandalf]

Second, this would lead to post invasion problems in terms of public relations.

Well yes, but the Federation will just have to get used to Imperialism

Third, you do not remove the leaders of a power in the opening shots of war. You attempt a diplomatic solution and then go to war if you can't get your opponent to back down.

But if I wipe out Earth, or at the least the Government and Starfleet installations, the remaining government will go ape looking for a diplomatic solution. This puts you in an upper hand position with negotiation. Nothing makes a better first impression than a smoking crater. And it's evident the Federation is capable of surrender (See: TNG: Yesterdays Enterprise, and TOS: Trouble With Tribbles, where Korax makes reference to Federation citizens preparing for conquest, though he may have been trash talking.)

Fourth, You would in theory come out of this as the bad guy by starting the conflict. It is always better to make it look as though the cultures were incompatable and your's must survive.

Many of the smaller cultures and possibly the Cardassians would surrender after this initial show of force, just like the Dominion. (See: DS9: Call to Arms)

And fifth, did the whloe one planet for one ship thing never works. it always incites the other powers and the resistance powers in your own backyard against you. I point to the Centuri's occupation of Narn and several different expamles on Earth.

Sorry, but I haven't seen B5, and I don't see why anyone back in the SW galaxy would care.

It would, IMO, be better to leave Earth and the other major worlds intact and attempt to engage the Federation fleet directly. With their starships defeated, it might be even easier to earn concessions from the remaining worlds. This way, your fleet would be better able to use its speed advantage without being pinned to defend potentially vulnerable planets. Also, it would prevent incurring substantial damage to the planets which may be useful once they surrender to become a part of the Empire.

With a wiped out Fed Council and Starfleet Command, if they don't go for a diplomatic solution, they'll come to me for a fight.

But still, would it not be preferential to have your forces gain experience against a nearly unkown foe, no matter how much intel you have on him, to gain experiance?

When there is this much difference in combat capabilities I don't think experience is that necessary, though feel free to correct me here.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

With their starships defeated, it might be even easier to earn concessions

I can imagine an Imperial Commander broadcasting a nice 'CONCESSION ACCEPTED' pic to all Feds planets.

[T-1000]

Let's forget that that senario would be overly easy and not be fitting of the governments and take a pek at the reasons.

First, it is always a good idea to build up your force's experiences when dealing with a new enemy. You know, get the feel of the land.

Second, this would lead to post invasion problems in terms of public relations.

"Oh, so you have a problem with the way we are running the government. Oh excuse me, it's time for our weekly bombardment of rebellious cities. Now, what were you saying?"

Third, you do not remove the leaders of a power in the opening shots of war. You attempt a diplomatic solution and then go to war if you can't get your opponent to back down.

Yes, but that takes all the fun out of being a bunch of evil SOBs. The Empire is a large scale organization whose ranks are filled with evil SOBs, so why shouldn't they have some fun with it?

Fourth, You would in theory come out of this as the bad guy by starting the conflict. It is always better to make it look as though the cultures were incompatable and your's must surive.

Again, that takes all the fun out of being evil. How are you supposed to enjoy being evil if you have to pretend all the time that you're a good guy.

And fifth, did the whloe one planet for one ship thing never works. it always incites the other powers and the resistance powers in your own backyard against you. I point to the Centuri's occupation of Narn and several different expamles on Earth.

Well, if more governments resist, just blow them to bits. Again, more fun than trying to quelle resistance. I realize that my way is very brutual and very likely to instill rebellion against me. I also realize that it is a lot more fun since I am, hypothetical, the evil Emperor. Evil. EVIL!