K. A. Pital wrote:ArmorPierce wrote:But of course this phenomenon certainly isn't universal. For example,
Women account for 40% of the engineering workforce in China and a whopping 58% back in the days of the USSR. I wonder how conservative naysayers who dismiss this sort of thing and assert that women simply aren't inherently predisposed to gravitating towards "manly" STEM fields would explain this...clearly it's the result of evil godless commie mind-control rays meant to prevent women from assuming their god-ordained role of being barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.
Yes, in more repressive and sexist societies, there actually is an increase in women in stem compared to more liberal and open countries. It does indeed say something, but not exactly what I think you think it does.
So you seem to think that the USSR is a "sexist society".
I need not remind you that, unlike many Western nations of the period, the USSR had made greater progress in pay equality.
It also did not require of women to justify their intention to divorce; in case both partners agreed to a divorce, no state-enforced "separate living period" of 1 year (North-Western Europe) or 3 years (!!!, some states of Souther Europe) were required.
I actually misread and thought that it had stated India and China rather than USSR and China.
That said, yes, sexism in Russia is a sexist society. The social dynamics differed due to the legacy of communism. State ideology encouraged sex equality in its face, but that did not actually translate to attitude transformation on the individual or even social level.
You seem to think that women go to STEM in the USSR and China because of... what? The logical answer is that these jobs are more open to women in these nations, but obviously, you have found a different explanation. Do share![/
The obvious answer is not that more women go into those jobs because it is more open than woman. That is only one of many overly simplistic and unsupported assertions that can be made. I find it quite ludicrous for you to even suggest with a straight face that China is a less sexist and more open society than the United States when female infanticide is
a real problem there. But HEY!... Why let facts get in the way of your assertions?!
The fact that less developed, more sexist and repressive societies have a higher number of women entering STEM fields is quite telling. So why is it that in less sexist, less repressive societies, less women go into STEM fields? In fact, it's not just less women! Lower percentage of MEN go into stem fields as well! Well, given all the hate given directed homework and standardized tests here in the United States, and leveraging my experience as a racial minority having lived in both ghettos and suburbs, I am inclined to believe that the reason is simply that both men and women don't want to put in the work necessary to attain more advanced and challenging degrees. There is also the other mitigating factor that a larger percent of the population are attaining higher education. So whereas in China, the population attaining advanced degrees represent the cream of the crop, in the US, it is just about any Joe fuck, hence less ambitious folks.
In summary, given more choices,opportunity and the benefit of living in a wealthy society, a greater percentage of people simply choose the less challenging path, and instead choose the path that they find more fulfilling for themselves. Their wealth simply allows them to engage in decision-making regarding life decisions that simply does not maximize and prioritize wealth. This applies to both men and women, with more men deciding to engage in the more challenging STEM field.
Now, you can argue that the United States does not encourage the STEM fields enough, which I would agree with. Academics are portrayed as awkward nerds and the jock type is glorified. Nobody wants to strive to be the awkward nerd. The other part of the problem is that in the United States, no reverence is given to those who achieve educational attainment in the interest of the façade of 'equality' or 'power distance' in society or social settings. Everyone wants their opinion to count equally despite actual formal qualifications.
Below is a breakdown of sex equality per nation mentioned (US, China, Russia) per the World Economic Forum's 2012 list of rankings of gender pay equality by country:
http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Gender ... t_2012.pdf
United States
Pay equality:
22
Economic Participation and Opportunity:
8
Educational Attainment:
1
Russia
Pay equality:
59
Economic Participation and Opportunity:
39
Educational Attainment:
35
China
Pay equality: 69
Economic Participation and Opportunity: 58
Educational Attainment: 85