The 2016 US Election (Part II)

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Re: The 2016 US Election (Part II)

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Moving onto what happens next news

Trump VP...

Is there a better pick than Nikki Haley of South Carolina? Governor, politician, to be blunt female and daughter of legal immigrants of non-white origin.

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The Vortex Empire wrote:Also, according to an NBC News poll, 57% of democrats want Bernie to stay in.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... convention
Hopefully, this doesn't change drastically over the next month...

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Can we just enjoy the moment?

Think about it. Ted Cruz has spent his entire life fucking over literally everyone. Even his own party outright loathes him. But he kept his eyes on the prize the whole time, climbing over everyone that ever stood in his way in his quest to be president.

And just when he stood on the cusp of his dream, when all those hours of actively fucking everyone in his life over were juuuuuust about to pay off, when the Democrats were about to run someone almost as loathed as he is...

The brass ring is snatched away by a withered neon orange dipshit.
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I'd enjoy it if the person who beat him wasn't even more loathsome (if only marginally).
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Cruz is WAY more loathsome, man. At least Trump will haphazardly be a centrist, for example.
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Trump, at best, will be whatever it strikes his mood to be today. He might be a centrist on one issue one day, and a fascist on another issue, or the same issue, the next.

But the fact that he has done more than any single other person in recent times to normalize xenophobia and violence in the political mainstream makes him particularly hateful to me.
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Lonestar wrote:Cruz is WAY more loathsome, man. At least Trump will haphazardly be a centrist, for example.
Gotta agree, at least Trump isn't damn near a theocrat like Cruz is.
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Theocrat, general xenophobe. Not much difference, except in the underlying reason behind the mass oppression.
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I don't think that Trump would have, say, actively gone after LGBT rights like Cruz almost certainly would have.
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Lonestar wrote:I don't think that Trump would have, say, actively gone after LGBT rights like Cruz almost certainly would have.
Bingo. At worst, Trump doesn't care, and wants to sell people a hat. Cruz on the other hand, would try to pull and Andrew Jackson on Obergefell v. Hodges.

Edit: That said, It's a two man race, and my guy is still in!
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The Romulan Republic wrote:Theocrat, general xenophobe. Not much difference, except in the underlying reason behind the mass oppression.
At least Trump doesn't appear to be convinced that the creator and supreme ruler of the universe condones and endorses his every action. Trump's just in it for Trump.

It's not a whole lot better, but between two shit sandwiches, I'll pick the one with slightly fewer maggots.
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Donald may not believe God is backing everything he does, but that doesn't make him any less extreme or dangerous. He's just getting his commandments from his own ego instead of from an interpretation of an old book. He is his own "supreme ruler of the universe".
Lonestar wrote:I don't think that Trump would have, say, actively gone after LGBT rights like Cruz almost certainly would have.
No, but he'll still likely go after Mexicans, Muslims, possibly womens' right to abortions (that was a spectacular series of flip-flops) and if his incitement of violence and hostile comments towards the press are any indication, political opposition.
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Lonestar wrote:I don't think that Trump would have, say, actively gone after LGBT rights like Cruz almost certainly would have.
Bingo. At worst, Trump doesn't care, and wants to sell people a hat. Cruz on the other hand, would try to pull and Andrew Jackson on Obergefell v. Hodges.

Edit: That said, It's a two man race, and my guy is still in!
Kasich?

I must admit, I don't think I would have predicted that he would be the last opponent to Drumpf standing. Good for him.
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Honestly, I expected my state to go to Trump and Clinton.

It actually went to Trump and Sanders. Sanders beat Clinton. Given the conservative bent of this state, even among the "liberal" and "leftist" contingent, I'm still surprised we have that many Sanders supporters.

Hmm.... maybe this state isn't quite as red as its reputation would suggest....
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Trump and Sanders are very pro-protectionism and Indiana is in the Rust Belt, unsurprising they won.
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Broomstick wrote:Honestly, I expected my state to go to Trump and Clinton.

It actually went to Trump and Sanders. Sanders beat Clinton. Given the conservative bent of this state, even among the "liberal" and "leftist" contingent, I'm still surprised we have that many Sanders supporters.

Hmm.... maybe this state isn't quite as red as its reputation would suggest....
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The Romulan Republic wrote:Kasich?
Yes. I've only had the "K" with flag device as my avatar for the last 5-6 months.

That said, when Trump wins, the lamentations of SDN will sustain me for quite a while.
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Much as I despise Trump, if anyone can screw up a campaign against him, it's Hillary Clinton, who has managed to turn a fight against a relatively unknown 74 year old Vermont Senator who calls himself a socialist in America into a relatively close race.
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TimothyC wrote:That said, when Trump wins, the lamentations of SDN will sustain me for quite a while.
Lol your party just nominated him. and ya boy couldn't even break double digits.
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The Vortex Empire wrote:Much as I despise Trump, if anyone can screw up a campaign against him, it's Hillary Clinton, who has managed to turn a fight against a relatively unknown 74 year old Vermont Senator who calls himself a socialist in America into a relatively close race.
It's not, though. Hillary's beating Bernie like a gong in basically every metric you'd care to name. He has proven to be a much tougher candidate than anticipated, and he has a hell of a fundraising base.
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maraxus2 wrote:
The Vortex Empire wrote:Much as I despise Trump, if anyone can screw up a campaign against him, it's Hillary Clinton, who has managed to turn a fight against a relatively unknown 74 year old Vermont Senator who calls himself a socialist in America into a relatively close race.
It's not, though. Hillary's beating Bernie like a gong in basically every metric you'd care to name. He has proven to be a much tougher candidate than anticipated, and he has a hell of a fundraising base.
Wasn't saying he had a chance at this point, he doesn't, just that when he started with basically no name recognition and like 3% support, that he's made it this far does not speak well of Clinton's campaigning ability.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:
TimothyC wrote:
Lonestar wrote:I don't think that Trump would have, say, actively gone after LGBT rights like Cruz almost certainly would have.
Bingo. At worst, Trump doesn't care, and wants to sell people a hat. Cruz on the other hand, would try to pull and Andrew Jackson on Obergefell v. Hodges.

Edit: That said, It's a two man race, and my guy is still in!
Kasich?

I must admit, I don't think I would have predicted that he would be the last opponent to Drumpf standing. Good for him.
It's oddly amusing that "Defund Planned Parenthood" Kasich is considered the reasonable one. :P
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The Vortex Empire wrote:
maraxus2 wrote:
The Vortex Empire wrote:Much as I despise Trump, if anyone can screw up a campaign against him, it's Hillary Clinton, who has managed to turn a fight against a relatively unknown 74 year old Vermont Senator who calls himself a socialist in America into a relatively close race.
It's not, though. Hillary's beating Bernie like a gong in basically every metric you'd care to name. He has proven to be a much tougher candidate than anticipated, and he has a hell of a fundraising base.
Wasn't saying he had a chance at this point, he doesn't, just that when he started with basically no name recognition and like 3% support, that he's made it this far does not speak well of Clinton's campaigning ability.


I agree, and I think it was pretty clear that she initially expecting to be appointed without any serious opposition. Although Sanders almost certainly won't win, at least his campaign has shattered that expectation for the moment and reminded the democrat establishment that yes, you still have to work if you want to secure a nomination. Hopefully this will mean that Clinton's campaign will be more organized for the presidential election and won't make the mistake of assuming she'll win without a fight.
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Gandalf wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
TimothyC wrote: Bingo. At worst, Trump doesn't care, and wants to sell people a hat. Cruz on the other hand, would try to pull and Andrew Jackson on Obergefell v. Hodges.

Edit: That said, It's a two man race, and my guy is still in!
Kasich?

I must admit, I don't think I would have predicted that he would be the last opponent to Drumpf standing. Good for him.
It's oddly amusing that "Defund Planned Parenthood" Kasich is considered the reasonable one. :P
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I'd like to quote the seventh cohort over from reddit for this priceless description of Ted Cruz's evening.
the_seventh_cohort wrote:I just want to remind everyone of something.

One of the most loathsome people to ever fucking live on this planet, Ted Cruz, backstabbed and fucked over every person he came in contact with for the past four years, forced his party into a bunch of no-win scenarios that made them look stupid and clueless, and generally called out everyone in his entire party as a bunch of commiesymp Islamolibs who want to dress up as a gay-married woman and fuck a child in a public bathroom. He did all of these things knowingly, burning every bridge he's ever crossed, mauling every hand that's ever fed him, all in service of one dream: He would become the Republican nominee in 2016 and win the Presidency and then the trail of blood and nightmares he left behind wouldn't matter because fuck you I'm POTUS that's why.

He sacrificed everything to this goal, and he's going to lose to the political equivalent of the Fukushima meltdown. His strategy would (probably) have worked! It's pretty clear that the JEB! never stood a chance regardless of how much money he raised because he's a fucking walking Ambien who conservatives thoroughly despise, Scott Walker couldn't even figure out how to hire someone who understood things like "a budget," Ben Carson looks like an attractive candidate up until he has to speak in anything other than meaningless fortune-cookie platitudes, etc. All that work, all that planning, all that treachery, all that time.

ALL FOR FUCKING NOTHING AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

He's been reaching for this brass ring his entire life, leaning farther and farther out from his carousel horse. What would he lose first, his balance, or his nerve? But he never flinched, leaning out further and further with each turn of the carousel, and then just before, just before his fingertip brushed it a tiny orange hand came out of nowhere and took that bitch right away from him, right in front of him, and there was never anything he could do to stop it. Now all that's left is the fall.

There aren't words in any language to describe the joy it brings me to see such a heinous, hateful motherfucker destroyed in such a gut-wrenching, miserable way. Tonight was the beginning of Ted Cruz's descent to a talk radio host saying things like, "Well, when I was in the United States Senate, let me tell you..."
I look forward to Ted's eventual slide into obscurity but I disagree I don't think Ted will get the talk show job because need I remind you... everyone who works with him HATES HIM. I assume this includes Roger Ailes.

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How did I miss this, thank you gif makers but Ted Cruz ended his speech by elbowing his wife in the face

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The Vortex Empire wrote:Wasn't saying he had a chance at this point, he doesn't, just that when he started with basically no name recognition and like 3% support, that he's made it this far does not speak well of Clinton's campaigning ability.
*shrug* Guess I disagree. She's clearly not a natural campaigner in the way that Obama and Bill are (or, well, Bill was), but her campaign didn't experience any of the major shakeups you see in a faltering campaign. Bernie was certainly stronger than expected, but that speaks much better to him and his message than it does ill of her.

The thing that made Obama so unique was his ability to unite white liberals and Black voters into a very powerful coalition. Hillary has one and Bernie by and large has the other. I have quite a lot of confidence that her campaign isn't taking Trump for granted, but has a decisive advantage at this point too.
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