Universial Application of Principles Currently In Use

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-03-26 12:12am

Well, it seems like the "Official" reasons that we are in the war (and that this war is good is that).

1) Saddam is an asshole to his own people.
2) Saddam is may have Weapons of Mass Destruction AND he is willing to use them or give them to people who will use them in an irresponsible way.
3) We can get rid of him without too much casualties on our side. (Let's face it, this war is more of a curbstomp than Pre-crisis Justice League vs. The Punisher.)

Now, I would like to propose a question. What happens if (let's pretend, this won't really happen) we applied the same uniform principle to EVERY other country out there in the blue ball called Earth. What do you think the results might be?

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-26 12:14am

u.s. imperium. if we win, of course.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-03-26 12:15am

Minor edit to above. We had no proof at that time that Saddam had WMDs, but he hadn't proved that he DIDN'T and was intefering with efforts. This changes condition 2 slightly.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-03-26 12:15am

World War 3.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-26 12:16am

yeah, thats pretty likely too.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-03-26 12:17am

This is why I'm not too crazy about the Bush Doctrine (and I do support the war). The preemption of Iraq will likely be an isolated, unique event, however.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-26 12:18am

Vympel wrote:World War 3.

Probably. THe US is damned if they do, damned if they don't. And of course they apply a ridiculous double standard as well.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-26 12:19am

makes ya wonder what will happen if hes reelected.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-03-26 12:20am

Enforcer Talen wrote:makes ya wonder what will happen if hes reelected.

Honestly, I don't think it will escalate beyond North Korea, if that.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-03-26 12:38am

Let's be blunt: Even when we see and agree that this war will have good outcomes, Bush won't be going elsewhere. He wanted to avenge his daddy, and it won't go further. Next, Enlightenment will appear to tell us the puppetmasters and conspiracy rulers are all preparing the next strike...

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-26 12:40am

SirNitram wrote:Let's be blunt: Even when we see and agree that this war will have good outcomes, Bush won't be going elsewhere. He wanted to avenge his daddy, and it won't go further. Next, Enlightenment will appear to tell us the puppetmasters and conspiracy rulers are all preparing the next strike...

there were of course several reasons beyond avenging daddy. . .

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-03-26 12:49am

I already said that Bush wouldn't go furthur. This is "What if?"

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-26 01:07am

Yogi wrote:I already said that Bush wouldn't go furthur. This is "What if?"

Vympel got it right. WW3 for the simple reason we'd get nailed for the American Empire. Of course we get blamed every time third world wackos want to hack each other with machete now.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-03-26 10:24am

So, is the only reason America should refrain from thrashing every tinpot dictator in the world because the world community will disaprove? I'm speaking morally, of course, since this war is a very moral war.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-26 10:26am

Yogi wrote:So, is the only reason America should refrain from thrashing every tinpot dictator in the world because the world community will disaprove? I'm speaking morally, of course, since this war is a very moral war.

lol, Ive no idea why, but thats the funniest thing Ive seen all day.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-26 11:22am

Yogi wrote:So, is the only reason America should refrain from thrashing every tinpot dictator in the world because the world community will disaprove? I'm speaking morally, of course, since this war is a very moral war.

For the fact that we don't have the manpower and the world community would saw us off at the knees.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-03-26 11:50am

Stormbringer wrote:For the fact that we don't have the manpower and the world community would saw us off at the knees.

I'm not sure that you are quite getting the point of this thread. I am debating the moral implications of doing so. Since it is morally correct to do this to Iraq, then it must also be morally right to do this to all applicable countries.

Right?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-03-26 11:53am

Yogi wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:For the fact that we don't have the manpower and the world community would saw us off at the knees.
I'm not sure that you are quite getting the point of this thread. I am debating the moral implications of doing so. Since it is morally correct to do this to Iraq, then it must also be morally right to do this to all applicable countries.

Right?

Sounds Kantian.

Not exactly, for that matter. Iraq is something of a unique case.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-03-26 11:56am

So what makes Iraq unique from a moral standpoint? When attacking anti-war people, I've only seen the two arguments in post one being made (plus a third "US is cleaning up what it created" made by Mr. Wong that hasn't really caught on.) What other factors are there?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-03-26 11:58am

Yogi wrote:So what makes Iraq unique from a moral standpoint? When attacking anti-war people, I've only seen the two arguments in post one being made (plus a third "US is cleaning up what it created" made by Mr. Wong that hasn't really caught on.) What other factors are there?

That's pretty much it.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-03-26 01:34pm

On a related note, whle The Punisher may look cool in a comic book, would you want someone like him running around in real life? Why or why not?

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-03-26 01:57pm

Yogi wrote:So what makes Iraq unique from a moral standpoint? When attacking anti-war people, I've only seen the two arguments in post one being made (plus a third "US is cleaning up what it created" made by Mr. Wong that hasn't really caught on.) What other factors are there?

I've actually taken up the "We're cleaning up our own mess" argument. It's fairly compelling, and it always throws leftists for a bit of a loop because it takes one of their common arguments ("We supported Hussien against Iran!") and turns it right on its head.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-03-26 02:01pm

Iraq is sort of symbolic, also, I suppose, given that it's been a source of trouble for us for the past decade. It's not like we just pulled some country randomly and decided to attack; it's Iraq, we have history there. It's been the millstone 'round our necks for years.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-03-27 01:47pm

Does this trouble in the past translate into some sort of moral imperative? Remember, the pro-war people on this board are stating that it is morally right to go to war with Iraq so I'm trying to find out why, are those reasons good enough, and are there any unforseen consequences.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-03-27 01:51pm

M.A.D.

They would be obliged to attack the People's republic of China, who are extremely shitty to their people and actually have weapons of mass destruction with range to hit the USA.