Attempted Trump assassination

[Thanas]

WTF are you banging on about? The extermination of lesser races has got nothing to do with the Kulturkampf.

[Purple]

Except pretty much all protestant sects are an evolution of catholic sect hence the whole "protestant" name as they were born as a protest to the corruption of the catholic church (at the time), I think a better analogue would catholic and orthodox sects which both split from orginal sect but are otherwise independent of each other.

EDIT: this was a reply to Purple.

Sort of bad example, I know. But what other alternative pair of sects could I invoke without running into a theological debate, stuff people are unfamiliar with or worse yet invoking Islam?

Hitler and his cohorts adopted and adapted Mussolini's philosophy to suit their own needs, didn't they? The core principles of ultranationalism, imperialism, extreme corporatism, and anti-unionism remained the same, with the extermination of "lesser races," the inevitable conclusion of the Kulturkampf begun by Bismarck, being the sole difference between the two ideologies.

And, I'm not so sure of even that.

I would argue that they already had a very similar framework of their own and just picked and chose bits from his where it suited them instead of adopting it. A case of parallel evolution with interbreeding rather than one being born from the other. Especially once you consider that the Italians them self really did not come up with too much new. They merely took a number of things that were very prevalent historically and combined them with a new brand name.

Either way, we are getting way, way off topic here.

[Flagg]

Yous guys know this is about a lame ass attempt to kill the toupe'd one, right?

[Lagmonster]

Yous guys know this is about a lame ass attempt to kill the toupe'd one, right?

The most common use of history is complicating and extending discussions about the present.

[Flagg]

Yous guys know this is about a lame ass attempt to kill the toupe'd one, right?

The most common use of history is complicating and extending discussions about the present.

Except it's not remotely on topic? I mean you're the mods it's your call, but if the rational for putting all gun control arguments in one thread because they are off topic, then why is this here? There are almost as many if not more posts about things other than Trump getting almost, kinda, sorta, but close to being whacked.

I mean the title says "Trump almost assassinated", not "is Trump a fascist?"

[Simon_Jester]

WTF are you banging on about? The extermination of lesser races has got nothing to do with the Kulturkampf.

I imagine it depends on the natures and identities of the cultures doing the struggling. Bismarck and Hitler may have had different ideas about that, I'd think.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

WTF are you banging on about? The extermination of lesser races has got nothing to do with the Kulturkampf.

It didn't?! Oh, okay. Got my history confused. Sorry.

[Thanas]

WTF are you banging on about? The extermination of lesser races has got nothing to do with the Kulturkampf.

I imagine it depends on the natures and identities of the cultures doing the struggling. Bismarck and Hitler may have had different ideas about that, I'd think.

No it does not. Kulturkampf specifically refers to Bismarck's actions to break the power of the Catholic Church. That is all it refers to and any students of German history know that.

Any other interpretation is quite simply wrong, just like 2+2=5 is wrong. It is not a matter of opinion.

[Simon_Jester]

That would probably explain the problem. It is possible to think (incorrectly) that one knows what "Kulturkampf" means because one knows what the words "Kultur" and "Kampf" mean, without knowing the historical context well enough to realize that it refers specifically to a single policy and is never used at any time to refer to anything else in all of German history.

[Thanas]

Seriously, just suggestinng that Hitler's holocaust is the logical conclusion of Bismarck beggers belief. It is like claiming the atom bomb was the logical extension of the war of 1812.

[Zeropoint]

I'm just impressed (not in a good way, mind you) that this guy spent a whole year working on his assassination plan . . . and wound up with THAT.

[jwl]

For an example of how the martyr effect can shape politics, look at the shift in favour of staying in the EU after the recent murder of a pro-EU MP by a neo-Nazi in Britain.

Had this wanker succeeded, he might have actually ended up further Trump's worst ideas.

My understanding is that yougov said there was no such shift, the polls were turning before the shooting (and of course it turned out that the polls were unrepresentative or too volatile anyway)

[Lord Revan]

I'm just impressed (not in a good way, mind you) that this guy spent a whole year working on his assassination plan . . . and wound up with THAT.

From what I've read (which could be wrong) this guy had mental health issues so it wouldn't surprice me that he thought he was like the lead in action movie and could grab the gun without issues while the authorities strared in disbelief.

[Zeropoint]

Oh, that's just . . . kind of sad, then. I'm okay with mocking people for being stupid, but not with mocking people for having health problems.

[Grumman]

From what I've read (which could be wrong) this guy had mental health issues so it wouldn't surprice me that he thought he was like the lead in action movie and could grab the gun without issues while the authorities strared in disbelief.

Oh, that's just . . . kind of sad, then. I'm okay with mocking people for being stupid, but not with mocking people for having health problems.

The would-be assassin wasn't psychotic, he was asocial. The line between preferring your own company and being considered mentally ill is pretty fuzzy, but I don't think it is why he tried to kill Trump.