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Could Voting Restrictions Be Trump's Ace in the Hole?

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Donald Trump has made clear he's a big supporter of strict voting laws. He worries that people can "sneak in through the cracks" of the system and vote "many, many times," and that "illegal immigrants" are voting. "Look, you've got to have real security with the voting system," Trump has said.

That attitude makes sense. Trump may be trailing in the polls, and his cash-strapped campaign may be struggling to build a viable operation in key swing states. But the new wave of Republican-backed restrictions on voting — which look set to keep Democratic voters from the polls — could wind up being Trump's ace in the hole if the race is close this fall. Tight voting laws also could boost the GOP in a host of House, Senate, governor, and state legislative races.

That's in part because many of the states that have imposed the strictest voting rules — think Wisconsin with its controversial ID law, or North Carolina, with a multipronged measure that critics call a "monster voter suppression law" — are pivotal battlegrounds. It's also because minorities and young people — the very voters who are most turned off by Trump and the GOP, and on whom Hillary Clinton will be counting on for a strong turnout — are the ones most likely to be tripped up by barriers to the polls.

It's impossible to predict just how many eligible voters will be kept from the polls by this nationwide array of obstacles (though, based on what we know, we can say how many illegal votes will be stopped: roughly zero). But, conservatively, it could be several hundred thousand — potentially enough to swing a close race to Trump.

That brings up a troubling question: Even if polls show Clinton ahead as Election Day approaches, how much do we need to adjust our predictions to account for the effect of new restrictions?

This year's presidential election will be the first in more than half a century without the full protections of the Voting Rights Act, which had its most effective plank invalidated by a 2013 Supreme Court ruling in Shelby County v. Holder. A remarkable report released earlier this month by the NAACP Legal Defense Fund detailed the numerous restrictive laws and rule changes, from statewide voter ID to local-level schemes to move polling places, that Shelby has allowed.

Another recent report, this one by the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, concluded: "In 2016, it is entirely possible that the presidency, control of the Senate, and a number of governorships could be determined by the voter discrimination made possible by Shelby."

But as devastating as the weakening of the Voting Rights Act has been, the threat is broader still: Among the presidential swing-states that have cracked down hardest on voting have been Wisconsin, and, to a lesser extent, Ohio. Neither was directly affected by Shelby.

The rules for how we cast and count vote have already determined the occupant of the White House once in the very recent past: That was what handed Florida, and with it the presidency, to George W. Bush in 2000.

Here's how voting laws could yet do so again.

Wisconsin

A federal court found 300,000 Wisconsinites — disproportionately blacks and Hispanics — don't have one of the limited forms of ID needed under the state's strict law, which was championed by Gov. Scott Walker. The law, which was upheld on appeal, caused well-documented problems in the state's primaries in April, including on the campus of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, where student IDs aren't accepted. Beyond the ID measure, Republicans also have passed a series of restrictions on voter registration, which will make it far harder for civic groups to conduct registration drives, a key tool for registering poor and minority voters. In addition, they replaced the widely respected non-partisan state election board with a new agency made up of political appointees still working to get up to speed — raising fears that a very high turnout election in November could cause administrative problems.

North Carolina

Weeks after Shelby, North Carolina Republicans passed the most regressive voting law in the nation. It included an ID provision, cuts to early voting, the elimination of same-day voter registration, a ban on out-of-precinct voting, which previously had been allowed, and even the scrapping of a popular pre-registration program for 16- and 17-year-olds. In the 2012 presidential election, nearly 900,000 votes —disproportionately minorities — were cast during the early voting days that were cut, and more than 90,000 voters — again, disproportionately non-white — used same-day registration. A federal appeals panel recently heard a challenge to the law brought by the U.S. Justice Department and voting rights groups. The ruling is likely to be issued before November, but for now it remains in effect. The NAACP LDF report also found that state officials moved nearly a third of all early voting sites, increasing the distance for blacks to vote early, "while leaving whites largely unaffected."

Polls suggest the fight for the Tar Heel State and its 15 electoral votes could be one of the closest this fall, with Clinton currently holding a 0.7 point lead in the Real Clear Politics (RCP) average. The state also plays host to Senate and governor's races, both of which could be tight.

Virginia

In response to Shelby, Virginia tightened its voter ID law, removing non-photo IDs and Social Security cards, among other forms of ID, from the list of documents voters could present. Nearly 200,000 registered Virginia voters, disproportionately minorities, didn't have acceptable ID when the law went into effect in 2014. The state also imposed restrictions on voter registration drives, which are likely to disproportionately impact the state's fast-growing Hispanic population. And it undertook a flawed purge of voter rolls in 2013.

The state has also taken steps to expand access to voting, however: Gov. Terry McAuliffe issued an order earlier this year that re-enfranchises ex-felons upon completion of their full sentences, affecting over 200,000 people. GOP leaders have sued to block the move.

Virginia's 13 electoral votes could be pivotal. The RCP average shows Clinton leading by four points.

Ohio

Since the last presidential election, Ohio Republicans have imposed a slew of cuts to voting opportunities, including paring back evening and weekend voting — threatening the "Souls to the Polls" drives run by many black churches — and eliminating "Golden Week," during which Ohioans could register and vote all in one. A court recently restored Golden Week and a settlement last year ensured some Sunday voting will continue. But Ohioans will nonetheless have fewer opportunities to vote than in 2012. That's not all: The GOP also has made it harder to obtain an absentee ballot and to have it counted. And it has reduced the minimum number of voting machines that polling sites must have on hand, raising the threat of a repeat of 2004, when day-long lines in Democratic-leaning areas kept many thousands from voting. GOP lawmakers even tried to make it harder for voters to ask courts to keep the polls open late in the event of an unforeseen circumstance like a traffic accident, but Gov. John Kasich vetoed the bill.

Ohio has become the nation's archetypal swing state, and with Trump gearing up for a strong push for its 18 electoral votes, it could be again. RCP shows Clinton with a three-point lead. It also will play host to a crucial U.S. Senate race.

Arizona

Arizona produced the most spectacular voting failure of the primary campaign, when voters in Maricopa County, the state's largest, waited in all-day lines after election administrators had reduced the number of voting sites in operation by 70 percent — a change that, before Shelby, would have required approval from the Justice Department. Areas with a high Latino population were disproportionately affected. Voting rights advocates are suing to put the county's elections under court supervision. State Republicans also tried to enforce a law requiring proof of citizenship from people registering to vote, though it's no longer doing so. And this year, they passed a law that makes it a felony to collect other people's ballots and bring them to the polls — raising concerns about disenfranchisement of Native Americans who live in remote areas.

Arizona's 11 electoral votes have gone Republican in recent presidential elections, but this year polls suggest it could be competitive, thanks in part to its large Latino population. Sen. John McCain also faces a strong re-election challenge.

Florida

After state Republicans cut a week of early voting in 2011, some voters waited in line for seven hours or more in the 2012 election. Chagrined lawmakers restored the early voting days in 2013. But the state also planned a flawed purge of the voter rolls, which was blocked by the courts. Voting rights groups have documented closed polling places or changes to polling locations in at least two heavily black areas. And Florida's strict felon disenfranchisement, a remnant of Jim Crow, law keeps over 1.5 million people — and around one in four African-Americans — from voting.

The state's 29 electoral votes could decide the election. Clinton currently leads Trump by 3.4 points in the RCP average.

And Beyond

Other states that don't figure to be close this fall also will have new voting restrictions in place. Over 600,000 registered Texas voters don't have the ID required by that state's law, which was blocked by a court in 2012, then went back into effect the day the Shelby ruling was released. Alabama, Mississippi, and South Carolina all have new voter ID laws of their own. Kansas' proof of citizenship law for people registering to vote has left tens of thousands of voter registration applications in limbo. And Georgia has responded to Shelby with an array of restrictions: voter purges, a crackdown on voter registration groups, cuts to early voting, and moving polling sites. One county closed more than a third of its polling locations, and another moved an early voting location to a police station.
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You have to jump a long way to go from "there are a lot of measures that a lot of states with Republican governments are taking to keep a few percent of their population from voting" to "the world's fucked. :( "
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Simon_Jester wrote:You have to jump a long way to go from "there are a lot of measures that a lot of states with Republican governments are taking to keep a few percent of their population from voting" to "the world's fucked. :( "
I hope you're right. But if Trump wins I'm going to take up drinking as a hobby. Maybe if I'm lucky I'll die of alcohol poisoning before the world goes to shit.
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Would that be your response to, say, the Great Depression happening all over again exactly the same? Would that be your response to the southern states seceding and touching off a civil war? Would that be your response to the start of World War One if you lived in a European country?

Seriously, life goes on, for most people at least. The fantasy that you should just stop trying because the world is in crisis is an adolescent thing. It's an understandable thing for adolescents, because the responsibility of having to help fix actual serious problems is usually more than an adolescent is willing to cope with. But as adults we have to be able to move past that.
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You're right. I'm just really pissed at the stupidity of humanity at the moment. Wouldn't be the first time.
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The fact is this:

It takes a genuinely massive amount of built-up bullshit before things get to the point of shooting.

Revolutionary War: You know how long the colonies were technically part of the Crown? They'd been English subjects for almost as long as the US has existed. And for quite a while after the shooting started, some of them weren't even sure they wanted to break with England.

Civil War: Close to a hundred years of bickering and back-and-forth about the slavery issue, with the occasional abolitionist making a stink about it. Not much actual change until John Brown started killing people and the political winds turned big-time.

For a non-American example, WWI: Generations of tension ever since the days of Napoleon, international expansionism and competing for prestige, then an extended period of tensions, layers of overlapping treaties and "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" deals, that culminated in a highly visible assassination in a politically charged situation which set everything off.

One election isn't going to change things in the current situation. A few crazies might be willing to shoot people, but the fact is that the mass of the voting population isn't so direly committed to their creed of choice that any other route inevitably leads to violent conflict. A Republican voter might go as far as to call a Democrat voter an asshole in public, and the Democrat might return the favour, but... that's about it.

Yes, there have been some ugly situations at various rallies and what not. Yes, Trump is a colossal cockwomble who seems to be treating this election as a vanity project, with extremely divisive opinions and comments. Yes, Hillary Clinton is apparently a lying political crony, even though she's the only really viable alternative to Trump.

But, ultimately, it's not an issue that's so fundamentally divisive to this nation that it could cause massive fractures across the fabric of the country. If Trump tries to game the system to get elected, odds are good he'll get called out on it, because the Republicans aren't the only ones concerned about voting fraud... and honestly a lot of Republicans don't like Trump enough to overlook something like that.
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Elheru Aran wrote: cockwomble

I am SO stealing that word.
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To hopefully make you feel better SolarPunk...

For much of the Bush-2 Presidency, I thought along similar lines as you... Especially after he was re-elected by a margin almost as small as he was in 2000.
For YEARS I convinced myself that the Conservatives had "Won" and that would be able to control elections through these 49.99% to 49.98% "win" margins.
It was so bad that during the 2008 election against Mc Cain, I was so wrapped up in my worry I was blind to the spiraling nose dive McCain was taking in the polls. I even had a thread (sighs) "saved" here entitled "Has McCain already won?"

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McCain lost by a HUGE Margin compared to Bush in 2000 and 2004.
Romney lost by an even MORE massive margin in 2012.
Trump is currently shopping up to be an even larger disaster for the GOP.

The main thing to remember is.. Yes... "Certain" groups in the GOP may have tried election shenanigans, often. And yes,.. They MIGHT have swayed the 2000 election, and influenced one or two other very close local elections.
But, BUT any "gains" by messing with voter roles, tampering with ballot boxes, or trying to "fix" electronic voting machines are <ASSIVILY offset these days by the unending and all consuming flow of "Demographics"

Fewer whites, more active young people, more active Latinos... All of it together is pushing America...slowly... away from GOP domination.
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The primary shenanigans in Maricopa County (that's Phoenix, Arizona) came to light during the Democratic primary and probably cost Hilary some votes that she really didn't need to beat Bernie. It has been a bit of a thing and hopefully it will be fixed by the general election, although I will be surprised if Trump doesn't win this state any way. Hillary might be enough of an almost Republican to have a shot.

I'm not sure if the entire state has this but in Pima County a voter can be on the permanent vote by mail list. Which is what I have been doing for years. Even as an Independent I can vote by mail in the primary of my choosing. I can request a specific party's primary ballot or I can fill out and return the form I am sent prior to the primaries. The one catch is that only people registered with a particular party can vote in the primary for presidential candidates. For all other elections Independents are in. Switching back and forth does tend to get you on the "okay to call" lists for both parties though.

I'd like to see more and more people get on the list. It gives you a lot more time to consider your ballot after seeing it and it is a lot more convenient than trying to get to the polling place on election day. Plus, it would be great if the pundits/news media etc... couldn't even speculate on calling this state until after the mail in ballots have been counted. I hate that the outcome of elections can be swayed by talking heads speculating on the outcome well before all the country's polling places have closed for the day. It must suck to be a voter in Hawaii during national elections.
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The bad news with this is not that it will put Trump in the White House, it is that this is how Republicans stay in control of Congress to some degree. Which will mean that over the next four years, nothing will happen as a result of this push.

Though even if Trump does win via outright stealing the election and also turns out to be as bad as the worst predictions, the world will still not fall apart entirely. It will continue to muddle along as it has for all of history. When you are in the middle of something like this that seems game changing, it is easy to feel that it will destroy the world. When it comes down to it, while his rhetoric is bad, when it comes to decision making Trump is unlikely to be much worse than W. Bush and the world survived that one more or less fine. As it will survive Brexit, whatever happens with anthropocentric climate change, and Muslim extremism as well as the Western response to it.

One bit of advice I would give is that you seriously stop paying attention to the news. The problem is that it is intended to keep people worried and make the show more dramatic more than it is about keeping people properly informed. Telling the truth, that Trump really has no chance, isn't as interesting as it means people will watch Netflix or read other things on Facebook instead. Also, this article is from somewhat left leaning NBC News, who are likely wanting to get out the vote for Democrats. If people are worried that fellow democrats won't be able to vote, they just might when they were otherwise on the fence.
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Or (more legitimately) if they are alerted to the fact that they personally may be deprived of their vote, and that someone is trying to deprive them of it, they may take the necessary precautions to secure their vote in advance (e.g. filing paperwork, getting suitable ID).
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The GOP has been trying to Ku Klux the vote in earnest since they lost in 1992 and 1996. It took a bogus Supreme Court decision and a war to get Joffrey W. Bush "elected" twice. Getting thrashed twice by a black man with a funny name, combined with another bullshit Court ruling, has them doubling their attempts to keep non-whites, young people and the elderly poor from voting.

But the real ace up their sleeve isn't these racist voter ID laws and all the other dirty tricks they want to pull. It's Hillary Clinton. Like her husband, she a DLC Democrat who openly scorns the base of her party and offers the voters GOP Lite. She's undoubtedly going to pick a DLC vice president (my money is on Evan Bayh), which will enthuse no one, while her campaign feverishly punches those Dirty Fucking Hippies who aren't thrilled with her candidacy. This kind of chickenshit worked for Bubba because the Republican vote was split thanks to Ross Perot. It didn't work for Gore in 2000, though. Running a campaign where you lash out at your own base, then wait for the other candidate to shit the bed is a recipe for low voter turnout, and that gives Trump his one chance in a thousand to win. Oh, and it screws over down-ballot candidates too.

That's OK, if Hillary loses, her supporters will blame it all on those Damn Dirty Bernie Bros (just like Gore supporters still bitch about Nader) more than the voter suppression anyway.
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Elfdart wrote:
That's OK, if Hillary loses, her supporters will blame it all on those Damn Dirty Bernie Bros (just like Gore supporters still bitch about Nader) more than the voter suppression anyway.
I just hope that if she loses that she goes away and doesn't try running for president again.
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Tsyroc wrote:
Elfdart wrote:
That's OK, if Hillary loses, her supporters will blame it all on those Damn Dirty Bernie Bros (just like Gore supporters still bitch about Nader) more than the voter suppression anyway.
I just hope that if she loses that she goes away and doesn't try running for president again.
She's already old enough that it was an issue before Bernie got into the race and got the jump on her there. I don't think she's very likely to get back into the Presidential election business after losing two highly visible campaigns, especially after the Benghazi non-event and Emailgate actual-event.

Frankly, were Trump to win, I wouldn't be surprised if the Clintons went expat for a few years, along with pretty much anybody else who can afford to do that.
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Crossroads Inc. wrote:To hopefully make you feel better SolarPunk...

For much of the Bush-2 Presidency, I thought along similar lines as you... Especially after he was re-elected by a margin almost as small as he was in 2000.
For YEARS I convinced myself that the Conservatives had "Won" and that would be able to control elections through these 49.99% to 49.98% "win" margins.
It was so bad that during the 2008 election against Mc Cain, I was so wrapped up in my worry I was blind to the spiraling nose dive McCain was taking in the polls. I even had a thread (sighs) "saved" here entitled "Has McCain already won?"

TRUST Me... I know where you are coming from on this...
McCain lost by a HUGE Margin compared to Bush in 2000 and 2004.
Romney lost by an even MORE massive margin in 2012.
Trump is currently shopping up to be an even larger disaster for the GOP.

The main thing to remember is.. Yes... "Certain" groups in the GOP may have tried election shenanigans, often. And yes,.. They MIGHT have swayed the 2000 election, and influenced one or two other very close local elections.
But, BUT any "gains" by messing with voter roles, tampering with ballot boxes, or trying to "fix" electronic voting machines are <ASSIVILY offset these days by the unending and all consuming flow of "Demographics"

Fewer whites, more active young people, more active Latinos... All of it together is pushing America...slowly... away from GOP domination.
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