http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36827725Germany axe attack: Assault on train in Wurzburg injures HK family
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Police stand by regional train on which man wielding axe attacked passengers in Wuerzburg, Germany, 18 July 2016Image copyright EPA
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The attacker fled the train but was chased and shot dead by police
A teenage Afghan refugee armed with an axe and knife injured four people on a train in southern Germany before being shot dead by police, officials say.
Three people in a group from Hong Kong were seriously hurt and one slightly injured in the attack in Wurzburg. Another 14 were treated for shock.
Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann said the attacker was killed as he tried to flee the scene.
The motive for the attack is not yet clear.
The South China Morning Post said it was believed the four injured were a 62-year-old man, his 58-year-old wife, their daughter, 27, and her boyfriend, 31. The 17-year-old son travelling with them was not hurt, it said.
A source told the paper the father and boyfriend had tried to protect the other members of the group.
'Exclamation'
Mr Herrmann said the attacker was a 17-year-old Afghan refugee who had been living in the nearby town of Ochsenfurt.
He told public broadcaster ARD that the teenager appeared to have travelled to Germany as an unaccompanied minor.
Bloodstains on the floor of the train carriage. 18 July 2016Image copyright EPA
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Bloodstains could be seen on the floor of the train carriage
Mr Herrmann said authorities were looking into reports that the attacker had yelled out "an exclamation". Some witnesses quoted by German media said they had heard him shout "Allahu akbar" ("God is great") during the attack.
'Slaughterhouse'
The incident happened at about 21:15 (19:15 GMT) on the train which runs between Treuchlingen and Wurzburg.
"Shortly after arriving at Wurzburg, a man attacked passengers with an axe and a knife," a police spokesman said.
Police said the attacker had fled the train but was chased by officers who shot him dead.
German emergency services in the area where a man with an axe attacked passengers on a train near the city of Wurzburg, Germany. July 19, 2016Image copyright Reuters
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Emergency services sealed off the area of the attack
One local man told DPA news agency that the train carriage where the attack took place "looked like a slaughterhouse".
He said he saw people crawl from the carriage and ask for a first-aid kit while other victims lay on the floor inside.
Hong Kong Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying has condemned the attack. Immigration officials from the city will accompany family members to Germany.
Although the motive has not been established, the BBC's Damien McGuinness in Berlin says there is nervousness in Germany about attacks by Islamist extremists following the attacks across the border in France.
In May, a man reportedly shouting "Allahu akbar" killed a man and wounded three others in a knife attack at a railway station near the German city of Munich.
He was later sent to a psychiatric hospital and authorities said they had found no links to Islamic extremism.
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German train attack
There has been another possible Islamist attack in Europe, this time gun control won in and the Afghan refugee attacker used an axe. He was shot dead by the police.
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Really glad he did not have a gun or that train might have been a huge trap. Also really glad our police have guns.
That being said, all signs so far point towards him being a nutcase. He had a hand-painted ISIS flag in his room, but no communication with the group.
This most likely was a very sad, very traumatized teenager who went through horrible experiences in life and snapped. I pity him.
That being said, all signs so far point towards him being a nutcase. He had a hand-painted ISIS flag in his room, but no communication with the group.
This most likely was a very sad, very traumatized teenager who went through horrible experiences in life and snapped. I pity him.
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Re: German train attack
Unfortunately, there seems to a recent trend of nutcases unconnected to but in some way identifying with ISIS going out and killing people, or trying to. But yes, I'm glad the situation wasn't worse.
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Re: German train attack
So, basically what Al-Qaeda had been doing for years?Broomstick wrote:Unfortunately, there seems to a recent trend of nutcases unconnected to but in some way identifying with ISIS going out and killing people, or trying to. But yes, I'm glad the situation wasn't worse.
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I have no pity for islamists of any kind, even those that just join the ranks of jihadis because their life is fucked. Because of what they represent, like the nazis. Islamism is a dangerous set of extremely reactionary beliefs turned into a political ideology, probably just as dangerous as Nazism in our day.
Still, good the murderous moron had no guns. And actually good he got shot in the end. Will teach other wannabe young jihadis a lesson that their life will end quickly if they follow in his footsteps.
Still, good the murderous moron had no guns. And actually good he got shot in the end. Will teach other wannabe young jihadis a lesson that their life will end quickly if they follow in his footsteps.
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The modern miracle of stochastic terrorism.Broomstick wrote:Unfortunately, there seems to a recent trend of nutcases unconnected to but in some way identifying with ISIS going out and killing people, or trying to.
In the event that the content of the above post is factually or logically flawed, I was Trolling All Along.
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Re: German train attack
There was another possible Islamist stabbing today
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... g-scantil/Man 'knifes French woman and her three daughters' in Alps resort
A general view over the Rhone Glacier in the French Alps Credit: Getty
Tom Morgan Camilla Turner David Chazan, Nice Henry Samuel, Paris
19 July 2016 • 1:45pm
A French woman and her three young daughters were severely injured when they were stabbed at a holiday resort on Tuesday by a Moroccan-born man who reportedly shouted that they were too scantily dressed.
The man was arrested after the attack at the Alpine resort of Garde-Colombe, near Laragne, in southern France.
The youngest girl, aged 8, was rushed to hospital in Grenoble with a punctured lung, according to initial reports.
Her mother, 46, and sisters aged 12 and 14, are being treated at the hospital of Gap, closer to the scene of the attack. Their injuries are serious but not life-threatening, hospital sources said.
Initial reports claimed the man struck because he was angered by the women being "scantily dressed," but a local prosecutor has denied this.
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Raphaël Balland, prosecutor of Gap, said: "I wanted to quash the rumour currently doing the rounds because on no account did this man make such comments about the fact that the attack may have been motivated by the victims' dress code."
The attacker, named as Mohamed B, 37, "may have acted out of religious motives", French television channel TF1 reported.
Despite the prosecutor's denial, TF1 reported that he was angry that the girls were wearing shorts.
The mother had helped the attacker when he became ill the previous day, TF1 said.
"I prefer not to speculate about the motive of the attack"Local mayor, Edmond Francou
He stabbed the girls while they breakfasted on the terrace of their chalet and then went inside and knifed their mother.
The 8-year-old was rushed to hospital in Grenoble with a punctured lung, according to initial reports.
Her mother, 46, and sisters aged 12 and 14, are being treated at the hospital of Gap, closer to the scene of the attack. Their injuries are severe but not considered life-threatening.
The attack took place around 10 am. The assailant stabbed the three girls on the terrace of of their chalet before attacking their mother inside.
He stabbed her in the chest, the newspaper Dauphine Liberé reported.
The local mayor, Edmond Francou, said he preferred “not to speculate about the motive of the attack” in the wake of the massacre in Nice last week.
The Moroccan-born attacker has a police record for petty crimes over the past 15 years.
He is reported to have been on holiday at the resort with his pregnant wife and two children. The two families were staying next to each other and the assailant’s wife is “devastated”, according to the mayor.
The victims of the attack are from Nantes, in western France, and often holidayed at the resort.
The attacker is from the Paris area.
Shocked holidaymakers were receiving counselling at the resort.
Re: German train attack
You cannot deter death-cult adherents from doing death-cult things by killing them. Think about it.K. A. Pital wrote:I have no pity for islamists of any kind, even those that just join the ranks of jihadis because their life is fucked. Because of what they represent, like the nazis. Islamism is a dangerous set of extremely reactionary beliefs turned into a political ideology, probably just as dangerous as Nazism in our day.
Still, good the murderous moron had no guns. And actually good he got shot in the end. Will teach other wannabe young jihadis a lesson that their life will end quickly if they follow in his footsteps.
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You can, however, permanently eliminate that particular death-cult adherent as a threat.Crown wrote:You cannot deter death-cult adherents from doing death-cult things by killing them. Think about it.
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You really need to eliminate them as a serious ideology. Kinda like how Nazism became neo-nazism, which is far less appealing and threatening.
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If the French women's clothing offended the Moroccan, why didn't he MOVE AWAY? I don't believe French law prevents him from doing just that. It sounds like he has severe anger management problems, and the French women's clothing made them a convenient scapegoat through which he can vent anger UNRELATED TO THE VICTIMS.
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Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.
They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)
Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.
They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)
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I second that. You may not bring back the victims, but you will prevent the death cult adherent from creating more victims (other than the death cult adherent himself).Captain Seafort wrote:You can, however, permanently eliminate that particular death-cult adherent as a threat.Crown wrote:You cannot deter death-cult adherents from doing death-cult things by killing them. Think about it.
Please do not make Americans fight giant monsters.
Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.
They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)
Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.
They have more WMD than there are monsters for us to fight. (More insanity here.)
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I think I may have re-worded that a little allow me to rephrase; You cannot deter potential future death-cult adherents from doing death-cult things by killing current adherents.Sidewinder wrote:I second that. You may not bring back the victims, but you will prevent the death cult adherent from creating more victims (other than the death cult adherent himself).Captain Seafort wrote:You can, however, permanently eliminate that particular death-cult adherent as a threat.Crown wrote:You cannot deter death-cult adherents from doing death-cult things by killing them. Think about it.
It's not a deterrent.
Obviously though it stopped the immediate threat, I am not a moron and denying that.
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Oh come on, not every fucked up teenager is going to resort to murder. And the more dangerous it is to the perpetrator, the less probability that someone would do it just because he's feeling extra bad today.
Sure, it will not deter the already-radicalized, but might deter those who think about radicalization.
Sure, it will not deter the already-radicalized, but might deter those who think about radicalization.
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You're shifting the goalposts but let me put it plainly for you; if they are DEATH-cult adherents, you cannot deter them by the guarantee that they will be killed. They honestly believe they will be rewarded for their actions in the hereafter.K. A. Pital wrote:Oh come on, not every fucked up teenager is going to resort to murder. And the more dangerous it is to the perpetrator, the less probability that someone would do it just because he's feeling extra bad today.
Sure, it will not deter the already-radicalized, but might deter those who think about radicalization.
Seriously, this isn't hard to comprehend.
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It also isn't that hard to comprehend context......
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Re: German train attack
Or the fact that these people want to die for a cause, not just die. If they just wanted to die they'd jump off of bridges or in front of trains. They can be demoralized into inactivity and failure like anyone else.
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Meh. I dont think that works. One of the attractions is posthumous reputation and noterity. (How ever you spell that). I still think it is a very similar demographic as school shooters in usa.K. A. Pital wrote:Oh come on, not every fucked up teenager is going to resort to murder. And the more dangerous it is to the perpetrator, the less probability that someone would do it just because he's feeling extra bad today.
Sure, it will not deter the already-radicalized, but might deter those who think about radicalization.
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Putting a blanket "death cult adherent" label on islamists is just dehumanizing them, and that is against my feelings even if I hate their beliefs. Not all of them are radicalized to the point where life means nothing.
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