Citizens Against Celebrity Pundits

theski · Post by **theski** » 2003-03-26 02:34pm

About Fucking Time!! One lady in NC started this..http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/hollywoodceleb/

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-26 03:33pm

Celebrities have the right to say what they want, when they want, just like everyone else. Feel free to disagree with them or make fun of them, but just recognize that their celebrity status does not automatically make their viewpoints valid or invalid.

Frankly, I'm fucking fed up with all these people whining about how certain people (celebrities, former presidents, et cetera) shouldn't comment on the war ... unless of course, they support the war, like Bruce Willis. Then it's okay. But if you're famous and against the war, you should keep your mouth shut.

This double standard is annoying. While I may think that a certain celebrity is a complete fucking retard (Barbara Streisand for example), I'm not going to go campaigning against her because I don't like what she has to say. As far as I know, none of the celebrities speaking out against the war have claimed to speak for the American people as a whole; they've spoken in their own, personal capacity. The big reason these assholes are making this huge stink over celebrities speaking their minds is basically because they're pissed off that celebrities have more media exposure and can reach a broader audience more easily.

Well tough shit. There's nothing that forces actors and celebrities to shut up and act on screen while holding in what they have to say. Freedom of speech. Live with it.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-03-26 03:43pm

Fucking fanatics

It's okay for any of the hundreds of conservative pundits and personalities to voice their opinions, but hollywood actors or anyone else will get ridiculed.

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2003-03-26 04:01pm

Durandal wrote:Frankly, I'm fucking fed up with all these people whining about how certain people (celebrities, former presidents, et cetera) shouldn't comment on the war ... unless of course, they support the war, like Bruce Willis. Then it's okay. But if you're famous and against the war, you should keep your mouth shut.

True. If Michael Moore had spoken for the war he would have been labelled an American Patriot instead of Sack-o-shit.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-03-26 04:23pm

kin, its not just that hes antiwar, its that he took over the stage to declare is dislike of the president.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-03-26 04:29pm

I'm a liberal and I think Moore was being a sack of shit. Two reasons:

1: He took the stage to deliver a political diatribe against explicit instructions to the contrary from the Academy.

2: Moore made it sound like his protest against Shrubya was a preagreed thing between the documentarians - it wasn't. He invited all of them up to the stage, THEN sprung his speech.

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2003-03-26 05:01pm

kojikun wrote:kin, its not just that hes antiwar, its that he took over the stage to declare is dislike of the president.

Why is taking the stage to air his views verboten?

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-26 05:09pm

Iceberg wrote:I'm a liberal and I think Moore was being a sack of shit. Two reasons:

1: He took the stage to deliver a political diatribe against explicit instructions to the contrary from the Academy.

I'm not sure what the Academy expected from a guy who made a film like Roger and Me where he routinely had to ignore authorities to get what he wanted and make himself heard. He's a known vocal activist who has no problem stepping on people's toes, and he's also notoriously undiplomatic. After publishing his open letter to Bush on his website, the Academy should be relieved that he didn't go over his time limit (at least he was gracious enough to abide by that

).

2: Moore made it sound like his protest against Shrubya was a preagreed thing between the documentarians - it wasn't. He invited all of them up to the stage, THEN sprung his speech.

This I agree with. Though I'm not sure what the other nominees' reactions were. I'm sure that they were interviewed, though.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-26 05:14pm

Next of Kin wrote:
kojikun wrote:kin, its not just that hes antiwar, its that he took over the stage to declare is dislike of the president.
Why is taking the stage to air his views verboten?

I don't think there was anything explicitly wrong with what Moore did, but I do think that he could have easily presented his views in a manner more conducive to supporting the troops and the spirit of the occasion. While I have no problem with people just bluntly stating what they think, that isn't always the way to go if you want to put your views forward as anything other than ranting and raving.

EDIT: I should add that, had, say, Bruce Willis gone up on stage and started ranting about how Saddam Hussein is a brutal dictator who should be deposed from his power and that if no one else is going to do it, we should, he probably would have been cheered on as a patriot or whatever, and I seriously doubt that the Academy would have taken issue with that.

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2003-03-26 05:46pm

Next of Kin wrote:
kojikun wrote:kin, its not just that hes antiwar, its that he took over the stage to declare is dislike of the president.
Why is taking the stage to air his views verboten?

Well it is an awards celebration, and he presented a negative view and bashed some one for his "thank you" speech. I mean seriously, how many of the award winners go up there and say "fuck you Mr. Spieldberg for not casting me in your last movie." It is just not classy. If he would have said something like "Thank You for all that voice thier opinion against the war, it is my insperation."

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2003-03-26 05:55pm

Back on the original topic, I have no problem that celeberties stand up and voice thier opinions. I just find it very hypocritical when they call the president "dumb", when Mr. Bush Graduated from Harvard, and alot of his cabnet hold multiple PHD, while they themselves have not graduated college. Not graduating does not make you dumb, but graduating from Yale and Harvard is no easy task, even if your Dad is Rich (most of them are).

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-03-26 05:59pm

Sam Or I wrote:Not graduating does not make you dumb, but graduating from Yale and Harvard is no easy task, even if your Dad is Rich (most of them are).

He only managed to enter Yale because his daddy graduated there, an escape clause that sounds like royalty to me.

He took an easy enough degree, and spent many extra years taking it.

Finally, he graduated with shitty grades.

I'm not impressed.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-26 06:09pm

Sam Or I wrote:Back on the original topic, I have no problem that celeberties stand up and voice thier opinions. I just find it very hypocritical when they call the president "dumb", when Mr. Bush Graduated from Harvard, and alot of his cabnet hold multiple PHD, while they themselves have not graduated college. Not graduating does not make you dumb, but graduating from Yale and Harvard is no easy task, even if your Dad is Rich (most of them are).

It was Yale, and he only got in because of Daddy's connections. And he graduated with a C-average in a trivial degree. His actions thus far have mostly been irredeemably stupid, so I see no problems with classifying him as such.

And ... um, how could his cabinet hold Ph.D.'s if they hadn't graduated from a university? Did they all get honorary degrees? If so, then that goes to show how stupid Bush is for appointing a bunch of people who didn't even work to earn their degrees.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-03-26 06:37pm

I and most people have nothing against celebrities,but what i hate about them is they act like they know everything and only their opinion count.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-03-26 06:41pm

Montcalm wrote:I and most people have nothing against celebrities,but what i hate about them is they act like they know everything and only their opinion count.

What kind of bullshit are you peddling?

If you can make that statement about celebrities, the same statement can be made about anyone who voices an opinion.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-03-26 06:52pm

Hameru wrote:
Montcalm wrote:I and most people have nothing against celebrities,but what i hate about them is they act like they know everything and only their opinion count.
What kind of bullshit are you peddling?

If you can make that statement about celebrities, the same statement can be made about anyone who voices an opinion.

OK go say your opinion about the war to the media and we`ll see if your opinion count.

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2003-03-27 09:29am

Durandal wrote:It was Yale, and he only got in because of Daddy's connections. And he graduated with a C-average in a trivial degree. His actions thus far have mostly been irredeemably stupid, so I see no problems with classifying him as such.

And ... um, how could his cabinet hold Ph.D.'s if they hadn't graduated from a university? Did they all get honorary degrees? If so, then that goes to show how stupid Bush is for appointing a bunch of people who didn't even work to earn their degrees.

He recieved his masters at Harvard, his Bachelor's at Yale. I do not know his GPA, and exactly what connection Did Bush Sr have at the time? In 1964 when GW went into college his father was not even a Senator then. He had just as many connections as the average "Rich" kid.

Have you seen Condelezza Rices resume?? She is Awesome, I would like her to run in 2008. She holds a PHD and Bachelor's from Denver University in international studies, she earned her masters at Norte Dame. She earned it. She has many other "honorary degrees", but she did earn her PhD. Dr Rice was a teacher at Stanford university and won 2 of the highest teaching honors. Not that this matters for intelect but she is a painist, and a dancer, she grew up in Alabama (the red neck south) in 1954, and she is a virgin.

Powell Graduated with a masters at George Washington University while in the military. (No easy task), and it was not an Honorary degree.

Rumsfeld graduated from Princeton University in 1954 from a ROTC scholarship.

The list goes on.

So please show me some facts the President Bush is "stupid", what has he done to prove that he is "stupid"?

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Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-03-27 09:39am

Celebrities have the same rights as we do, Freedom of Speech. However, I hate the fact that so many people see them as role models. That's sickening. And when the vehemetly (and sometimes stupidly) voice their opinions, it's rather... undermining of the government. Why? Because the common folk believe them.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-03-27 10:44am

Of course the celeberties have freedom of speech, but GOD DAMNIT, so do I and if I want to go off on a tirade about stupid fucking celeberties then I got that right too. The celeberties seem to think they can spew their shit and have no consequences, BZZZZZ, wrong.

They are intitled to their opinion, but must realize that their income and continued exposer due to fame, is dependent on the rest of us. Some celeberties are under the dellusion that most of Americans think like they do and only morons and idiots are conservitive, pro war, smaller goverment, or what ever cause they tend to advocate. When they talk smack about people who believe in those issues, they are insulting roughly 50% of the people who pay their money that enriches the assholes.

I have heard a bunch of the celeberties cry out about 'black listing' because people are not buying their shit (be it movies, magazines, ect..)because of their views on the war or other political statments they have made. Well booohooo, if you call me a retard or ideals that I believe in retarded, then turn around and ask me to buy you stupid fucking movie, you can just continue kissing my ass cuz its all your going to get.

Whew, I feel better now.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-03-27 10:49am

Woohoo! Nice job Knife.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-03-27 10:54am

Celebrities are good at providing entertainment to the masses. I wold recommend that they stick to that at which they excel instead of allowing stupidity to pour forth from their pie-holes.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2003-03-27 10:59am

We need to treat them like a $10 hooker.. I pay you for your talent (movies, music etall) but then I want you to shut up and get out of my house...

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-03-27 11:06am

Sam Or I wrote:He recieved his masters at Harvard, his Bachelor's at Yale. I do not know his GPA, and exactly what connection Did Bush Sr have at the time? In 1964 when GW went into college his father was not even a Senator then. He had just as many connections as the average "Rich" kid.

The sad fact is that in high school, Dubya maintained a C average, and graduated somewhere in the middle of his class. And Yale still took him. Why? Because his uncle was a senator. Either that or he wrote one HELL of an application essay.

Have you seen Condelezza Rices resume?? She is Awesome, I would like her to run in 2008. She holds a PHD and Bachelor's from Denver University in international studies, she earned her masters at Norte Dame. She earned it. She has many other "honorary degrees", but she did earn her PhD. Dr Rice was a teacher at Stanford university and won 2 of the highest teaching honors. Not that this matters for intelect but she is a painist, and a dancer, she grew up in Alabama (the red neck south) in 1954, and she is a virgin.

Powell Graduated with a masters at George Washington University while in the military. (No easy task), and it was not an Honorary degree.

Rumsfeld graduated from Princeton University in 1954 from a ROTC scholarship.

The list goes on.

Well then you just contradicted yourself, didn't you? You said that they all had degrees without ever graduating from college. Which is baffling to say the least. Glad you cleared that up a bit. And for the record, I don't care when or how Rumsfeld graduated from Princeton; I still think he's an idiot. And Condoleeza Rice's virginity has nothing to do with anything. Just so long as she doesn't go on an anti-abortion tirade, or an anti-sodomy tirade (still pissed at TX, BTW) I'm fine with it.

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Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-03-27 11:07am

Excuse the first part of that last post. I meant to say that his uncle was a "prominent politician," not a senator.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-03-27 11:13am

Saw this in a forwarded e-mail:

This is long, but worth reading........

Who's Smarter?

by Cindy Osborne

The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming
about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the
President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who
will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid,"
"morons," and "idiots." Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in
Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.

So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country?
Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid," "ignorant," "moronic"
leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale
University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102
pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and
gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until
1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with
53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic reelection victory, he became the
first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on
November 3, 1998, winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush
won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American
vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas
counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that Richard Nixon in
1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily
Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo.
(Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any
other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to
URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)

Vice President Dick Cheney earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both
in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science
Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary
duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign
leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our
homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of
the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capitol Hill to meet
with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the
Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has
seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men
and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are
doing for the United States of America.

Secretary of State Colin Powell was educated in the New York City public
schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he
earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY
and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in
June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business
Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is
the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations.
Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of
Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the
Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy
Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have
been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and
colleges across the country.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: attended Princeton University on
Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval
aviator; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59;
U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director
of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living
Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential
Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House
Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of
Defense, 1975-77

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge was raised in a working class
family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to
Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The
Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served
as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor.
After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private
practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was
elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat
veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly reelected six
times.

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice earned her Bachelor's Degree
in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of
Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and
her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the
University of Denver in
1981.
(Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15,
graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude).
She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate
from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies.
Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.)

She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been
awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University
of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995.
At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International
Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for
International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution.
Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip
Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain
Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has
written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense
policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S.
Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and
2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the
period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she
served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of
Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a
Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986,
while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations,
she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender --
Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of
directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the
William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the
International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony
Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New
Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and
East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls
Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed
such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the
Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand
Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the
Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San
Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her
bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from
the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre
Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International
Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American
Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from
Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the
University of Notre Dame in 1995. She resides in Washington, D.C.

So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their
experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend
to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are
going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also
have all the facts on their educations and background:

Barbra Streisand: Completed high school
Career: Singing and acting

Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade.
Career: Singing and acting

Martin Sheen Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton.
Career: Acting

Jessica Lange Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
Career: Acting

Alec Baldwin Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal Career:
Acting

Julia Roberts Completed high school
Career: Acting

Sean Penn Completed High school
Career: Acting

Susan Sarandon Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in
Washington, D.C.
Career: Acting

Ed Asner Completed High school
Career: Acting

George Clooney Dropped out of University of Kentucky
Career: Acting

Michael Moore Dropped out first year University of Michigan.
Career: Movie Director

Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School
Career: Acting

Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School
Career: Acting

Mike Farrell Completed High school
Career: Acting

Janeane Garofelo Dropped out of College.
Career: Stand up comedienne

Larry Hagman Attended Bard College for one year.
Career: Acting

While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we
should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily,
even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are
privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East,
the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and
terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with
the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and
that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have
full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that
we are in any way as informed as our leaders.

These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding
groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country.
They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature,
and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views
and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The
silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a
pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian
Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic
out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were
ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was
heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own
soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed by freedom-hating terrorists while
going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war.
Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White
House.

Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the
Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE
and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the
manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world
peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence
that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining
nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They
believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass
destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will
eventually be used against us in our own cities.

So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that
since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also
determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions
concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation
when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough
friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking for
me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are
just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his High School Diploma gives
him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a
maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the
fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker
will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout?

The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles
of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and
divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare
they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more
bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their
views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond
memories of an old television sitcom!

It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves
about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the
freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace
in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism
striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains
strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware
of the severe consequences that will befall them.

Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists
and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not
real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of
Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the
strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the
Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from
unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped
them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn
around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the
strong belief of President Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.

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