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http://www.smh.com.au/world/tokyo-knife ... qdm48.html
A knife-wielding man went on an attack in a home for the disabled killing at least 15 people in the Japanese city of Sagamihara, according to reports.

An additional 45 people have been injured, according to reports.

Police were called to the scene just after 2.30pm local time amid reports that the man with a knife was seen on the premises, according to national broadcaster NHK.

The assailant has reportedly been arrested.
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SAGAMIHARA, Japan - The Kyodo news agency is reporting that 19 people are dead and 20 injured following a knife attack in Sagamihara, outside Tokyo.

A knife-wielding man attacked a facility for the disabled and then turned himself in, police said.
I don't like putting death tolls in titles because they always go up later. :evil:
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What's particularly disturbing is that this madman thought he was doing a mercy:

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Police said the man, identified as Satoshi Uematsu, told them “I did it,” and “It’s better that the disabled disappear,” according to Kyodo.
Kanagawa Prefectural officials said at a news conference that Uematsu worked at the care facility from 2012 to February 2016 and that he left “for personal reasons.” No further details were available.
According to police, Uematsu delivered a handwritten letter to the official residence of the House of Representatives speaker in February, at about the time he left his job, in which he suggested that he was planning to kill people at the facility. He indicated the attack would take place at night, when fewer staff were on duty.

“I dream of a world where the disabled could die in peace,” Uematsu wrote in the letter. “I will carry out the plan without hurting the staffers, and I will turn myself in after I kill the disabled.”

In the letter, he said he felt “sorry” for people with disabilities, many of whom were bound to wheelchairs for life. He wrote that many of them had no contact with family members.

Uematsu was hospitalized until March on the grounds that he was a threat to others; no further details on his condition or why he was released were available Tuesday.
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Well I suppose that explains why there were so many dead for a knife attack.
Doesn't Japanese society look down on cripples? Or am I confusing Japan with some other country in East Asia?

Oh well, at least this attack was the act of a broken man, not a malicious one.

May the injured recover quickly, and the dead remembered fondly.
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Japan is often used as a case study looking at attitudes around the world, as it's considered to be a nation that hides it's disabled citizens away. There's alot of stigma apperently, especially towards mental illness.
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Zixinus wrote:“I dream of a world where the disabled could die in peace,” Uematsu wrote in the letter. “I will carry out the plan without hurting the staffers, and I will turn myself in after I kill the disabled.”
Someone needs to inform this asshat that stabbing people unable to defend themselves is NOT "dying in peace".
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What a douchebag
But just hours earlier, Satoshi Uematsu, 26, is alleged to have brutally killed 19 people in a Tokyo care facility and injured a further 26 others.
A picture emerged on Wednesday of the man being blamed for the country’s worst mass killing in decades.
But far from showing remorse for his actions or regret for the heartache he’s caused, Uematsu looked happy and relaxed. Bent over in the back of a police car, his distinctive blond hair tumbling across his forehead, he smiled warmly at the media throng outside.
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Broomstick wrote:
Zixinus wrote:“I dream of a world where the disabled could die in peace,” Uematsu wrote in the letter. “I will carry out the plan without hurting the staffers, and I will turn myself in after I kill the disabled.”
Someone needs to inform this asshat that stabbing people unable to defend themselves is NOT "dying in peace".
The guy is clearly crazy. A quick web search showsthat Japanese culture deeply looks down on disabled people, considering them shameful and this guy really thought he was doing them a mercy. But then again, in the article mr friendly guy posted:

Bolding mine.
In a chilling letter, penned in February, the suspect had called for the “euthanasia” of disabled people and said he would be willing to carry out the acts himself if needed.

Uematsu boasted in the letter that he had the ability to kill 470 disabled people in what he called was “a revolution”, and outlined an attack on two facilities, after which he said he would turn himself in. He also asked he be judged innocent on grounds of insanity, be given 500 million yen ($5 million) in aid and plastic surgery so he could lead a normal life afterwards.

“My reasoning is that I may be able to revitalise the world economy and I thought it may be possible to prevent World War III,” the letter said.
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I wonder if he'll appreciate the irony if he's committed to a secure psychiatric hospital instead of imprisoned for life or executed.
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He has been there, I think, they knew he was dangerous and crazy before he actually went on his killing spree. One of the articles quotes him saying that he imagined that after he was done, he would get plastic surgery so he can lead a normal life. I wish I was kidding.

The article I linked talks about how disabled people in the country don't just have the usual problem of having public buildings disabled-friendly but about how they are incredibly stigmatized, how their parents and even siblings are embarrassed about them. Some to the point that they are practically a secret. The people in the disabled centers or whatever were probably depressed because they live in a culture that considers them shameful.
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The Japanese blamed REEFER MADNESS as the reason for him writing the letter. You can't make this shit up, but mental healthcare in Japan is terrible. Though this is an improvement over the 1990s when it didn't exist.
Knife Attacker Wanted to Rid Japan of the Disabled, Authorities Say

By MOTOKO RICH and JONATHAN SOBLEJULY 26, 2016

The police near Tsukui Yamayuri-en, a residential care facility for disabled people in Sagamihara, Japan. The attack was the country’s worst mass killing since World War II. Credit Isssei Kato/Reuters

SAGAMIHARA, Japan — A mass stabbing at a center for people with disabilities outside Tokyo on Tuesday shocked Japan, where violent crimes are extremely rare.

A former employee who had expressed strong views about euthanizing disabled people returned to the center with a bag of knives at around 2 a.m., methodically slitting the throats of patients as they slept.

When he left the building 30 minutes later, 19 people were dead in the worst mass killing in Japan since World War II. The dead ranged in age from 19 to 70. Twenty-six people were wounded, 13 of them critically.

The suspect, Satoshi Uematsu, 26, who had sent a letter to a politician five months ago outlining his plan, calmly turned himself in at a nearby police station a half-hour after the attacks. As he confessed, he told the authorities, “All the handicapped should disappear.”

He was charged with attempted murder. Additional charges were expected.

Many pieces of the puzzle were still missing late Tuesday as the police cordoned off the center, Tsukui Yamayuri-en, and blocked access to witnesses and victims’ relatives.

But the details that emerged sketched a portrait of a deeply disturbed young man with a grudge against his employer and violent ideas about ridding the world of disabled people.
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The police investigating the front entrance of the facility, where 19 were killed and 26 were wounded. Credit Kimimasa Mayama/European Pressphoto Agency

Mr. Uematsu had tried to warn the authorities of his plans in February, when he sent a letter to the speaker of the lower house of Parliament. He wrote that he would conduct an attack “during night shift hours when fewer workers are there” and that he would “tie workers with bands so that they cannot move and communicate with outside people.”

In the letter, he named the center he attacked on Tuesday morning, as well as another center whose location officials declined to reveal.

Guns are strictly regulated in Japan, and few civilians own them. Until now, the biggest mass killing here in the postwar period was a sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway system in 1995, which killed 13.

“I have no words to express my feelings,” said Yuji Kuroiwa, the governor of Kanagawa Prefecture, where the assault took place. “It is an unforgivable crime.”

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, in a statement, offered his “heartfelt condolences” and promised that “the government will make every effort” to determine what happened.

Mr. Uematsu had worked for four years as a caregiver at the center, a residential facility in the Tanzawa Mountains about 40 miles west of Tokyo. The center has 149 long-term residents with mental and physical illnesses.

It was unclear when Mr. Uematsu developed his ideas about disabled people, but there were several disturbing episodes in February.

A Twitter account that appeared to belong to Mr. Uematsu had followed several right-wing accounts. After a break of three and a half months, he resumed making posts. He said that Japan was being destroyed by AIDS and radiation poisoning, and he discussed the possibility of leaving his job and being arrested.

According to NHK, the national public broadcaster, Mr. Uematsu delivered a letter to the residence of the speaker of the lower house of Parliament in Tokyo on Feb. 15, threatening to kill hundreds of disabled people “for the sake of Japan” and urging legal changes that would allow the severely disabled to be euthanized.

“My aim is a world where people with multiple disabilities who have extreme difficulty living at home or being active in society can be euthanized with the consent of their guardians,” the letter said, according to the report.

The Tokyo police notified their counterparts in the Sagamihara area that day about the letter, NHK said.

The director of the center, Katsuhiko Yoneyama, said that when he learned about the letter, he had spoken with Mr. Uematsu.

“I told him that this place is for the welfare and happiness of the disabled,” Mr. Yoneyama said in remarks outside the center on Tuesday afternoon. He said that he had told Mr. Uematsu, “You are not an appropriate person to work here,” and that Mr. Uematsu had agreed to quit.

The next day, the local authorities committed Mr. Uematsu to a psychiatric hospital.

After marijuana was detected in his urine, two doctors there issued a diagnosis of marijuana-induced psychosis and a delusional disorder. But on March 2, NHK reported, the symptoms disappeared, and doctors concluded that he was not a danger to others.

Mr. Uematsu lived not far from the center in a large, cream-colored concrete house on a hill. He had lived with his parents until they moved away about five years ago, neighbors said. A pile of trash inside the home was visible through one window, and a garden shed next to the house was half open.

Neighbors described him as quiet and gentle.

“I never imagined he was the kind of guy who would commit such a crime,” said Mitsuo Kishi, 76.

Akihiro Hasegawa, 73, who lived next door, said Mr. Uematsu had been friendly. Mr. Hasegawa recently saw him shirtless outside the house, taking in the sun, and observed tattoos on his chest and back. Tattoos are uncommon in Japan, and are often perceived as a sign of belonging to a gang.

Mr. Hasegawa noted one other idiosyncrasy: Mr. Uematsu had occasionally pulled into his driveway and rammed the front of his car into a concrete wall.

Mr. Uematsu had studied to be a teacher. In 2011, he was a student teacher for third graders at Chigira Elementary School, which he attended as a child.

Akiyo Numasawa, the vice principal of the public school, said that Mr. Uematsu was “very gentle” and that there were no signs of mental illness or trouble.

But local news reports on Tuesday said that Mr. Uematsu had told friends that he planned to kill as many as 600 disabled people by October and that he would start with the center where he had worked.

At 1:37 a.m., surveillance cameras at a house near the center captured images of a black car arriving at high speed, NHK reported. A man in a short-sleeve shirt, trousers and a baseball hat emerged from the driver’s seat and opened his trunk to take out a few large bags.

According to NTV, a private broadcaster, a police investigator told reporters that during the attacks early Tuesday, staff members had tried to stop Mr. Uematsu, but he had tied them up with plastic bindings.

A little after 2:50 a.m., he ran back to the car and drove away.

That report also quoted the police as saying that Mr. Uematsu had told them, “Without a doubt, I stabbed them with knives.” He was also said to have told the police that “I held some grudges after being forced to resign.”

As of Tuesday afternoon, the bodies of the dead were still inside the center, where the police were investigating.

Outside the police station in Sagamihara, a popular summer destination for hikers and campers, a black car sat in the parking lot, covered in a blue tarp. The local news media had reported that it was the car Mr. Uematsu drove to the station. Broadcast video showed a bloody steering wheel and plastic ties scattered on a seat.

The back bumper was broken and bore an English-language sticker that read: “I’m not driving too slow. You’re speeding.”

Officers outside the station would not confirm that it was Mr. Uematsu’s car.

After the attack and before he drove to the police station, Mr. Uematsu appeared to have posted again on Twitter. The post, which included a photograph of himself in a suit and red tie, read, “May the world be peaceful,” and, in English, “Beautiful Japan!”
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Michael Crichton's 1992 novel 'Rising Sun' claims the Japanese view congenital disability as divine punishment for sins committed in a past life, and thus, something to be ashamed of, for which sympathy is not deserved.

As for mental health problems, I personally know how toxic Asian culture is towards those who suffer from it (I'm of Chinese descent), when I sought psychological counselling for depression in college (age 18-22), and my own parents were angry that I was discussing these problems with those who aren't family members. The Chinese have a saying, "Family shame should not be propagated outside of the family," meaning those who suffer from mental health problems, are specifically discouraged from seeking professional help- do the Japanese have a similar saying?
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Sidewinder wrote:Michael Crichton's 1992 novel 'Rising Sun' claims the Japanese view congenital disability as divine punishment for sins committed in a past life, and thus, something to be ashamed of, for which sympathy is not deserved.

As for mental health problems, I personally know how toxic Asian culture is towards those who suffer from it (I'm of Chinese descent), when I sought psychological counselling for depression in college (age 18-22), and my own parents were angry that I was discussing these problems with those who aren't family members. The Chinese have a saying, "Family shame should not be propagated outside of the family," meaning those who suffer from mental health problems, are specifically discouraged from seeking professional help- do the Japanese have a similar saying?

Hell, that was pretty damned common in the west until very recently. There's a reason "the secret crazy relative in the attic" is a cliche part of Victorian stories. In my own family, the fact that schizophrenia in my dad's side of the family wasn't something either of my parents knew until my brother was properly diagnosed because it was something so shameful that it had to be hidden even from family members. This meant the first time my brother went to doctors he was misdiagnosed because no one knew to tell the doctors about our family history of mental history. This ended up costing my family about two years of my brother getting increasingly worse before he was properly diagnosed and the truth subsequently came out.
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Sidewinder wrote:Michael Crichton's 1992 novel 'Rising Sun' claims the Japanese view congenital disability as divine punishment for sins committed in a past life, and thus, something to be ashamed of, for which sympathy is not deserved.
I wouldn't be using Michael Crichton as a source on anything. I'm calling complete bullshit on Japanese having negative views on physical disabilities. You only have to spend the briefest amount of time over here to realise a lot of accommodations are made for those that face challenges either visually or with their mobility. I'd even go so far as those accommodations extend more so than what I have seen in other countries in which I've lived. Sure, you can find arseholes in any society, especially when you have over 100 million people from which to choose. But across the whole population, in 2016, I don't see how to above position is at all reflective of society over here.
Sea Skimmer wrote:The Japanese blamed REEFER MADNESS as the reason for him writing the letter. You can't make this shit up, but mental healthcare in Japan is terrible. Though this is an improvement over the 1990s when it didn't exist.
This. Japan is a 21st century country facing 21st century illnesses and doing fuck all about it. This is insane when you think about the number of deaths involved and considered if they were attributed to another cause. Suppose 16000 people died from terrorist attacks per year. You'd be sure as fuck the government would do something about it. But because the problems stem from mental illness, it's placed into the too hard, too expensive column.

So much would need to change in terms of healthcare, public information and employee protections and safety nets no career politician would want to have their name attached to the sorts of price tags that such policies would attract. Especially when you consider the timeframes involved with such monumental society change and that a political career could easily be over before any real effect becomes noticeable. It's much easier to blame the spectre of drugs (even though there is a significant amphetamine problem that seems under-acknowledged) rather than try to take on the actual problem and try to do something about it. But you only have to look at issues like housing affordability in Australia or public infrastructure in the US to understand just how much easier it becomes to ignore a problem when it becomes large enough.
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It's interesting that apparently no one took seriously Uematsu's clearly stated threats to do just what he did.

It reminds me of an incident from my time in Japan - the girlfriend of an American friend of mine threatened to kill him and his entire family. When he reported it, everyone laughed it off, saying that she was just blowing off steam. My friend and I concluded that we Americans take such things seriously because we have to, unlike Japan.
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I wonder how much of that is because Japan has such a high suicide rate.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:I wonder how much of that is because Japan has such a high suicide rate.

I have heard from some people who lived in Japan(Friend's wife is Japanese) that probably a fairly large chunk of suicides are actually homicides that are ruled as such because the LE don't have good suspect/slam dunk case. In this person's town a man got shot twice, and died, and there firearm was nowhere to be found...which is pretty amazing to begin with because firearms are extraordinarily difficult to legally acquire in Japan. Police ruled it a suicide.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20810572
Japan has a conviction rate of more than 99%. But in recent months there has been a public outcry over a number of wrongful arrests where innocent people confessed to crimes.

It started with a threat posted on the city of Yokohama's website in late June: "I'll attack a primary school and kill all the children before the summer."

In the months that followed, there were a number of similar threats posted on the internet - some threatening famous people, including the Emperor's grandchildren.

After a police investigation, four people were arrested. Two, including a 19-year-old student, confessed while in custody.

But on 9 October, the real perpetrator sent an email to a lawyer - Yoji Ochiai - and local media, explaining how he or she made those threats by taking control of innocent internet users' computers with a virus.

His or her purpose, as stated in the email to Ochiai, was "to expose the police and prosecutors' abomination".

And in a way, it did. It raised the question - why did the innocent people confess to a crime that they didn't commit? What kind of pressure were they put under?

"I was surprised to have received the email but I wasn't surprised that the innocent people confessed," says Ochiai.

There have been a number of wrongful convictions in the past, he says.
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Lonestar wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:I wonder how much of that is because Japan has such a high suicide rate.

I have heard from some people who lived in Japan(Friend's wife is Japanese) that probably a fairly large chunk of suicides are actually homicides that are ruled as such because the LE don't have good suspect/slam dunk case. In this person's town a man got shot twice, and died, and there firearm was nowhere to be found...which is pretty amazing to begin with because firearms are extraordinarily difficult to legally acquire in Japan. Police ruled it a suicide.
Dominus Atheos wrote:Japanese Police consider a confession to be the only important step in obtaining a conviction. No confession, no case. No case, no homicide.
I'm surprised Japan's police investigators and prosecutors are so FUCKING LAZY. What does that say about the culture they came from?
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Speaking of lazy, it would have been better if Dominus posted the whole article. We regularly do that.

It would also reveal that the problem is deeply cultural, very problematic laws and hogtied police.
"But unlike other cases, the fact that these cyber threat incidents happened to ordinary people who were just using the internet raised the fear that it could have happened to anyone," he adds.

When Ochiai posted the email on his Twitter account and blog, he received hundreds of responses from the public - most of which were more critical towards the police than the real perpetrator.

Shoji Sakurai spent 29 years in jail for a robbery-murder that he didn't commit. It took him another 15 years to win a not-guilty verdict at his retrial last year.

"I was a bit naughty when I was young and the Japanese police go after people with criminal records, so my friend Sugiyama and I became prime suspects for the murder."

When arrested, aged just 20, he was treated like a guilty criminal, he says.

"They interrogated me day and night, telling me to confess. After five days, I had no mental strength left so I gave up and confessed."

"It may be difficult for people to understand, but being denounced repeatedly - it is harder than you think," he adds.

Sakurai says his interrogators weren't aggressive but there have been cases in which the police or prosecutors are alleged to have treated their suspects badly.

Hiroshi Ichikawa was a prosecutor for nearly 13 years - until he lost his job for threatening to kill a suspect during an interrogation.

"I am not trying to make an excuse for my behaviour by saying that others did the same, but I don't think I was some kind of a monster in making a death threat to a suspect," he says.

"I have overheard other prosecutors yelling at suspects and one of my bosses boasted how he kicked the shin of a suspect underneath the desk."

Another thing he regrets - aside from making the death threat - is writing up a confession statement which did not correspond with the truth.

"After I grilled the suspect for eight hours, I got him to sign this statement even though he didn't say a single word of it," he says.

"My boss was pressuring me to get his confession so I thought I couldn't go home without it."

For Ichikawa, it didn't matter if it was true or false as long as he had the confession.

The fact that he lost his job for threatening to kill a suspect suggests that regulations governing interrogations are working.

But while the Japanese police and prosecutors are not widely accused of resorting to more aggressive forms of interrogation such as torture, no-one outside the small interview room really knows what happens inside because suspects' interviews take place behind closed doors - without an attorney.

So why does the Japanese justice system prize confessions so much?

"It is the king of evidence. If you can get someone to confess to a crime, the court is going to find them guilty," says Jeff Kingston of Temple University in Tokyo.

Japan has a conviction rate of over 99%, most of which are secured on the back of a confession.

"It is also seen as a chance given to a suspect to unburden his guilt and repent for his crimes."

If a suspect repents during the interrogation process, Professor Kingston says, prosecutors offer a lighter sentence.

Yoshiki Kobayashi, who worked as a detective for the National Police Agency for 25 years, thinks the emphasis on confessions is also due to limited investigative powers that they have.

"The police in other countries can have plea bargaining, undercover operations and wire-tapping, so they rely on these techniques. In Japan, we are not allowed these powers so all we can do is to rely on confessions."

Their limited power is due to historical reasons. Before World War II, says Kobayashi, the police abused their powers so people demanded that they give them all up after the war.

"In the US or other countries, they regard investigation as a game but in our culture we also want to find out the truth - exactly what happened through confessions," he says.

But what makes Japanese suspects eager to confess - even to a crime that they didn't commit?

Lawyer Yoji Ochiai thinks it has something to do with the Japanese psyche.

"People traditionally thought that they shouldn't stand up against authorities so criminals confessed quite easily," he says.

"But in the 21st Century, more people - guilty or not - are exercising their rights and wouldn't simply obey and confess."

"The authorities still try to extract confessions using the same methods and that's why they end up pressuring suspects to confess which may have resulted in untruthful confessions," he added.

Japanese society's emphasis on shame and consideration towards their family also plays a role.

Sakurai says he was told that his mother suggested he confessed - he doubts this but cannot ask her as she had passed away before he was freed.
Two tidbits:
Rights upon arrest
Image caption This picture of an interrogation room was provided by the Ministry of Justice

"Under Japanese law, you may be arrested and detained without bail for 48 hours by the police on suspicion of having committed a crime. During this period, the police are required to inform you of the crime of which you are suspected, of your right to remain silent, of your right to hire a lawyer at your own expense... The police usually begin their initial questioning before you have an opportunity to see a lawyer."

Source: US Embassy in Japan
Why confession is king in Japan

Unlike a British or American court, where it is only necessary to prove the facts, Japanese courts attach great importance to motive. The reasoning and impulses which led to a crime must be proved in a court; they are a crucial factor in determining a convicted criminal's sentence. The who, what, where and when are not enough: a Japanese judge demands to know why. A detective, then, is obliged to get inside his subject's skull - if he fails to do that, he is not considered to have done his job. In reality the only way to do this is by obtaining a confession.

In some cases, police prefer to carry out their physical investigation only after obtaining a confession. The hope is that a suspect will disclose incriminating information unknown to the detectives, which will then be confirmed by subsequent investigation - thus making the confession all the more convincing, and allaying suspicious that it may have been obtained under duress.

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I'm surprised Japan's police investigators and prosecutors are so FUCKING LAZY. What does that say about the culture they came from?
Ah its not about lazy though, not completely at least, it is about culture and the role of police in Japan. Said role is not to catch criminals. It is to maintain public order. That goes back to the original Meiji restoration, which also established the school system as having public order and loyalty as its primary goal, not education for its own sake. The Japanese don't want to admit crimes exist if they can't be assured of catching the person behind it because that would only spread discord and disorder. I mean you tell people a serial killer is loose and you didn't catch them, all you've done is make people fearful! This is also why Japanese police are known for not actively patrolling much, public displays of police power would suggest such displays are needed. The police will certainly come when called, which is a lot more then you can say about the police in many countries, but they are simply built from the ground up to be passive.
This makes no sense at all from a western standpoint, but Japan isn't a western country and it's certainly not fully modern.

it is also worth remember that before the end of WW2 for several decades Japan allowed both Army and Navy police to patrol the streets as more or less unlimited federal police, and they primarily acted as tools of political oppression, including dragging people off to be murdered and thrown in Tokyo Bay. Sometimes they even fought each other. Its not a big leap to think that had a negative effective on post war civilian policing, considering that before said era Japan was primarily policed by 2 million samurai who could murder people on a whim and get away with it.
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Intriguing idea. So until just 150 years ago, the people were oppressed by an unaccountable middle class who abused their policing powers in order to enforce the upper class's order. Then those samurai were supposedly overthrown (not that the abuses towards the peasants ever factored into anything about the Japanese Revolution), only for the new order to be just as bad about abusing it's policing powers in order to enforce the upper class's order.

So according to this line of reasoning, the reason the Japanese police don't like to move a muscle unless they are enforcing the law against someone they know for sure ("Knowing" being a relative term) broke it and not in any other circumstance is because of gun-shyness after hundreds of years of their predecessors doing everything but that.
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Dominus Atheos wrote:Intriguing idea. So until just 150 years ago, the people were oppressed by an unaccountable middle class who abused their policing powers in order to enforce the upper class's order.
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Then those samurai were supposedly overthrown (not that the abuses towards the peasants ever factored into anything about the Japanese Revolution), only for the new order to be just as bad about abusing it's policing powers in order to enforce the upper class's order.
So according to this line of reasoning, the reason the Japanese police don't like to move a muscle unless they are enforcing the law against someone they know for sure ("Knowing" being a relative term) broke it and not in any other circumstance is because of gun-shyness after hundreds of years of their predecessors doing everything but that.
That would be one of several elements in play, I suspect.

In the US, the archetypal image of law enforcement is a local sheriff who is on some level accountable to the community. And the police, on the whole, still feel that they are there to protect the community. The extent to which that standard is upheld varies, but it is what people are accustomed to expect.

In Japan, the archetypal image of law enforcement is the paid minions of a violent and undemocratic system whose role is to maintain public order, and the police are still there to maintain order even if the system is no longer violent and undemocratic.

It's the difference between the county sheriff and the Kempeitai.

And going off of this, even if the police are not afraid to be active and earnestly wish to pursue criminals, there is a difference in their sense of mission.

If you view yourself as a servant and protector of the community, you feel a lot more flexibility to act without orders. You may be acting within certain bounds set by the rights and privileges of others, but you act. Your mandate comes from people you know would want you to act.

If you view yourself as an enforcer and investigator who works for the state, you act when you are damn well told to act. Even if you respect everyone's rights during investigations and obey a strict constitutional bill of rights, you're still an agent of the state who faces outward toward the people, not an agent of the people themselves.
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