Oh NOOO Saddam forcing children into combat

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2003-03-27 02:12pm

Only link in Swedish

Aftonbladet

Apparently USA is accusing sadamn of serius war crimes, Keith Garvin an ABC News reporter in Iraq have vitnessed Iraqi troops using Women & Children as shield and giving children arms.

Fuck this ain't good

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-03-27 02:15pm

Already posted that, but yeah, it's sickening.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2003-03-27 02:17pm

Posted it in the wrong place, I did, and mis-named it is well (growls at the missing edit button):

Iraqis must fight, or their children will be slaughtered:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,82310,00.html

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2003-03-27 02:18pm

jegs2 wrote:Already posted that, but yeah, it's sickening.

Opps sorry did't see it.

Well sick enuff to post 2 times, and people thinks that war against saddam is a bad thing...

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-03-27 02:18pm

jegs2 wrote:Posted it in the wrong place, I did, and mis-named it is well (growls at the missing edit button):

Iraqis must fight, or their children will be slaughtered:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,82310,00.html

That's just sick...

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-27 03:03pm

children as hostages or warriors? Ive heard the first.

. . . you know saddam is almost becoming too absurd for reality. its like every evil thing you can think of. o_O

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-03-27 03:08pm

Its not new since every third world country does that.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-27 03:09pm

true. Im told they use children to clear minefields, as well.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-03-27 03:13pm

This reminds me of the "baby eating hun" propaganda of the first world war.

This is far too absurd to believe without some hard evidence.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-03-27 03:15pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:true. Im told they use children to clear minefields, as well.

Err. what minefields? They're fighting defensively, the only minefields are their own.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-27 03:25pm

mm, I thot I was unclear when I posted that. random third world countries.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-27 03:25pm

NecronLord wrote:This reminds me of the "baby eating hun" propaganda of the first world war.

This is far too absurd to believe without some hard evidence.

thats my thought. theres only so many atrocities a man can do in a day.

Enricko · Post by **Enricko** » 2003-03-27 03:26pm

NecronLord wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:true. Im told they use children to clear minefields, as well.
Err. what minefields? They're fighting defensively, the only minefields are their own.

IIRC:
During the Irak-Iran War, Iranian children were running in front of the army to clear the minefields for the soldiers...

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-03-27 03:28pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:true. Im told they use children to clear minefields, as well.

About clearing minefields on ogrish.com i saw how some african countries do it,they push animals in them

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-27 03:33pm

Enricko wrote:
NecronLord wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:true. Im told they use children to clear minefields, as well.
Err. what minefields? They're fighting defensively, the only minefields are their own.

IIRC:
During the Irak-Iran War, Iranian children were running in front of the army to clear the minefields for the soldiers...

that's priorities for you.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-03-27 03:38pm

Enricko wrote:
NecronLord wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:true. Im told they use children to clear minefields, as well.
Err. what minefields? They're fighting defensively, the only minefields are their own.

IIRC:
During the Irak-Iran War, Iranian children were running in front of the army to clear the minefields for the soldiers...

That just shows that Saddam's a good guy, look what his enemies do.

Seriously though, much of the resistance to saddam has been from groups that want to replace him with an islamic funamentalism like Saudi Iran or Afganistan. He's actually a secular ruler. Not a nice one, but still one up on many of his neighbors. I fear that when they are done the US will impose a funamentalism...

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-03-27 03:51pm

NecronLord wrote: I fear that when they are done the US will impose a funamentalism...

That's utterly ridiculous. Really.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-03-27 04:54pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:children as hostages or warriors? Ive heard the first.

. . . you know saddam is almost becoming too absurd for reality. its like every evil thing you can think of. o_O

Japan was going to do the same thing at the end of WWII until Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They closed all the schools and started preparing to arm all civilians, including schoolchildren.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-03-27 05:14pm

Frank Hipper wrote:
NecronLord wrote: I fear that when they are done the US will impose a funamentalism...
That's utterly ridiculous. Really.

Based on what? 'We're too nice to do that'? I shall remind you the last time the US installed a democracy was West Germany, or maybe South Korea, though that is questionable.

May I also remind you that the vast majority of nations in the middle east are theocratic in some way, even Israel, be they controlled by one religious group (Israel) a theocratic monarchy (Saudi etc.) or purely theocratic (Iran).

Therfore: Voting = Theocracy, Imposing a ruler = Eventual Theocracy.

Iraq is hated by Iran because Saddam is secular, he is less religious than most of the US administration. Please think beyond the level of "We're the good guys" and see the shades of grey.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-03-27 05:27pm

jegs2 wrote:Posted it in the wrong place, I did, and mis-named it is well (growls at the missing edit button):

Iraqis must fight, or their children will be slaughtered:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,82310,00.html

::Sighs:: Sad... Just sad.

I'm so close to doing a 180 on this war it's scary. If you hear the words, "bomb the fuck out of that slimy Iraqi fascist" come out of my mouth, someone please slap me.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-03-27 05:34pm

Queeb Salaron wrote:I'm so close to doing a 180 on this war it's scary. If you hear the words, "bomb the fuck out of that slimy Iraqi fascist" come out of my mouth, someone please slap me.

No Evidence = No Credibility.

Looks like standard 'dehumanise the enemy' propoganda to me.

"The filthy Hun Bayonet babies in Belgium"

Funny how these things return in a slightly more sophisticated form isn't it?

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-03-27 05:37pm

NecronLord wrote:
Queeb Salaron wrote:I'm so close to doing a 180 on this war it's scary. If you hear the words, "bomb the fuck out of that slimy Iraqi fascist" come out of my mouth, someone please slap me.
No Evidence = No Credibility.

Looks like standard 'dehumanise the enemy' propoganda to me.

"The filthy Hun Bayonet babies in Belgium"

Funny how these things return in a slightly more sophisticated form isn't it?

True, I suppose reports by the soldiers can't be trusted. We'll all have to be such skeptics that we can only believe what we see with our own eyes, and ignore the men on the firing line *sigh*.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-03-27 05:41pm

NecronLord wrote:
Frank Hipper wrote:
NecronLord wrote: I fear that when they are done the US will impose a funamentalism...
That's utterly ridiculous. Really.
Based on what? 'We're too nice to do that'? I shall remind you the last time the US installed a democracy was West Germany, or maybe South Korea, though that is questionable.

May I also remind you that the vast majority of nations in the middle east are theocratic in some way, even Israel, be they controlled by one religious group (Israel) a theocratic monarchy (Saudi etc.) or purely theocratic (Iran).

Therfore: Voting = Theocracy, Imposing a ruler = Eventual Theocracy.

Iraq is hated by Iran because Saddam is secular, he is less religious than most of the US administration. Please think beyond the level of "We're the good guys" and see the shades of grey.

First of all, "imposing a fundamentalism" would be going against any semblance of common sense. (not that common sense is abundant these days) Fundamental Islamicists are howling for American dead wherever and however they can be killed. Why in the hell would the U.S. want to install a rabid theocracy? There will be attempts to place as secular and non-controversial a government as possible in place once the smoke starts to clear.

Please don't accuse me of not being able to see past "We're the good guys", history's my hobby, and this is hardly the first time the U.S. has been the the one to initiate hostilities. For an excellent analogy, see the Spanish-American war.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-03-27 05:45pm

The Dark wrote:True, I suppose reports by the soldiers can't be trusted. We'll all have to be such skeptics that we can only believe what we see with our own eyes, and ignore the men on the firing line *sigh*.

Meaningless Sarcasm, isn't it fantastic?

The point remains, undamaged.

Reports from soliers, particularly senior officers cannot be trusted. You do know soldiers are as suseptible to urban myths as everyone else don't you. Evidence is needed for credibilty.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-03-27 05:54pm

NecronLord wrote:
Queeb Salaron wrote:I'm so close to doing a 180 on this war it's scary. If you hear the words, "bomb the fuck out of that slimy Iraqi fascist" come out of my mouth, someone please slap me.
No Evidence = No Credibility.

Looks like standard 'dehumanise the enemy' propoganda to me.

"The filthy Hun Bayonet babies in Belgium"

Funny how these things return in a slightly more sophisticated form isn't it?

...First of all, I have no idea what you're talking about. If you couldn't taste the sarcasm coming off that sentence in waves, you need your head examined. What's more, if you've read ANYthing I've written in this section, you'd know exactly how sarcastic it was.

Sweet baby Jesus. Some people need their heads examined.