Kurdistan?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-03-26 03:25pm

Stravo wrote:It looks as if denying 4th ID the Northern front has really put a crimp in our plans and you have to womder if there will be reprecussions to Turkey for their decision and the consequences that emanate from that decision.

Can we say:

Independent Kurdistan?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-03-26 03:27pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Stravo wrote:It looks as if denying 4th ID the Northern front has really put a crimp in our plans and you have to womder if there will be reprecussions to Turkey for their decision and the consequences that emanate from that decision.
Can we say:

Independent Kurdistan?

you're damn right! and that is going to be a rather wealthy kurdistan too...depending on where they draw the line will determine where they will be in the top 10 oil reserves list.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-03-26 07:24pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:
Stravo wrote:It looks as if denying 4th ID the Northern front has really put a crimp in our plans and you have to womder if there will be reprecussions to Turkey for their decision and the consequences that emanate from that decision.
Can we say:

Independent Kurdistan?
you're damn right! and that is going to be a rather wealthy kurdistan too...depending on where they draw the line will determine where they will be in the top 10 oil reserves list.

Turkey will NEVER allow an independant Kurdistan. They stand to lose a chunk of their own territory, not to mention the oilfields in Northern Iraq which Turkey has been disputing claims for, for about 15 years.

Why does everyone think that a Kurdistan is a good idea. About 80 years ago a couple of nations thought that Yugoslavia would be a good idea...

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-26 07:27pm

Split it since it's likely to turn into a debate.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-26 07:28pm

weemadando wrote:Turkey will NEVER allow an independant Kurdistan. They stand to lose a chunk of their own territory, not to mention the oilfields in Northern Iraq which Turkey has been disputing claims for, for about 15 years.

Why does everyone think that a Kurdistan is a good idea. About 80 years ago a couple of nations thought that Yugoslavia would be a good idea...

Turkey might not like it but if Bush is feeling spiteful it might happen anyways.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-03-26 07:29pm

If a Kurdistan is established, IT'S WAR. Simple.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-03-27 05:26pm

If Kurdistan is established, we lose as our ally the only Muslim Democratic nation in existence...

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-03-27 05:29pm

MKSheppard wrote: Can we say:

Independent Kurdistan?

Wouldn't last a year. Everyone there has a piece of the Kurds. No one wants to give it back.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-03-27 05:30pm

If a kurdistan is established solely in Iraq, and it gives displaced Kurds a place to go that isn't Turkey, then why should the Turks care? If they have a problem with that, then George should tell them to fuck off....He's pretty good at that, you know.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-03-27 05:32pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:If a kurdistan is established solely in Iraq, and it gives displaced Kurds a place to go that isn't Turkey, then why should the Turks care? If they have a problem with that, then George should tell them to fuck off....He's pretty good at that, you know.

Here's the problem. The majority of Kurd land is in Turkey, comprising probably a third of the eastern portion of their country, and they don't wanna give it up. Plus, they don't even occupy it for parts of the year!

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2003-03-27 05:34pm

It would last with US backing. That would be very funny to see every nation in the region destroyed. But Tukey is not a democracy. It's utlimately controlled by military dictators who stop Muslim Fundamentalists from acheiving ower. It is a rather good thing but not an democracy.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-03-27 05:34pm

Vorlon1701 wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:If a kurdistan is established solely in Iraq, and it gives displaced Kurds a place to go that isn't Turkey, then why should the Turks care? If they have a problem with that, then George should tell them to fuck off....He's pretty good at that, you know.
Here's the problem. The majority of Kurd land is in Turkey, comprising probably a third of the eastern portion of their country, and they don't wanna give it up. Plus, they don't even occupy it for parts of the year!

Ohhhhhhhhhh......that could suck. Even if promised with a secure, oil rich state in northern Iraq, they wouln't budge?

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2003-03-27 05:48pm

Problem is give the Kurds anything some of them will start trying to take more of it. Turkey, Iran, and even Syria don't want the Kurds expanding into their territory. Arabs dislike the Kurds almost as much they dislike the Isrealis.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-03-27 05:58pm

Captain Lennox wrote:It would last with US backing. That would be very funny to see every nation in the region destroyed. But Tukey is not a democracy. It's utlimately controlled by military dictators who stop Muslim Fundamentalists from acheiving ower. It is a rather good thing but not an democracy.

Ummmmmm no. The military is a valid part of the system of checks and balances in that country, as stated in their Constitution. It is within their right to force elections, and it isn't a power they use often. They don't set policy.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-03-27 08:24pm

Does a nomadic culture really need its own country?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-27 08:34pm

Andrew J. wrote:Does a nomadic culture really need its own country?

Given, with the exception of the Israelis, they're the most hated group over there. And thanks to the fact they have no military they're the most persecuted.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-03-27 08:52pm

stormbringer wrote:Given, with the exception of the Israelis, they're the most hated group over there. And thanks to the fact they have no military they're the most persecuted.

Ideally, if we make Iraq work the way we want to, we would be removing the necessity for all of this.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-03-27 09:10pm

I agree with Duchess, an autonomous or semi-autonomous part of Iraq for the Kurds is probably best. The same applies for the Shia-at (spell?) muslims. Besides, Bush has said many times, Iraq's borders will remain the same post war so....

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-03-27 09:13pm

Crown wrote:The same applies for the Shia-at (spell?) muslims.

Shi'ite, I b'leev.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-03-27 09:14pm

Queeb Salaron wrote:
Crown wrote:The same applies for the Shia-at (spell?) muslims.
Shi'ite, I b'leev.

Why thank you!

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-27 09:31pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
stormbringer wrote:Given, with the exception of the Israelis, they're the most hated group over there. And thanks to the fact they have no military they're the most persecuted.
Ideally, if we make Iraq work the way we want to, we would be removing the necessity for all of this.

Which is a nice idea and fine in theory but I doubt, even in an otherwise functional democratic society, they'll give up their stupid ethinic hatred. If there's one thing the Arabs do well it's hold a grudge. Hell they're still holding a grudge against the west for the Crusades (blame the Catholic Church who deserve it and leave the rest of us out of it).

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-03-28 12:27am

You people are still forgetting that the Northern oilfields of Iraq which conveniently enough are in Kurdish territory have been a major disputing point for 15 years between Turkey and Iraq.

An independant Kurdistan = a pissed off Turkey = many many regional issues.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-03-28 12:31am

weemadando wrote:You people are still forgetting that the Northern oilfields of Iraq which conveniently enough are in Kurdish territory have been a major disputing point for 15 years between Turkey and Iraq.

An independant Kurdistan = a pissed off Turkey = many many regional issues.

Bah. An independent kurdistan under US protection in northern Iraq
would actually be in everyone's best interest.

The Turks can now brush off human rights protestors as they can now
legimitately claim the Kurds still fighting against them are terrorists.

Etc etc with the rest of the countries in the area, who now can legimately
gain the legal upper hand now that there is a kurdistan, undercutting
the entire reason that these kurdish rebels fight for. Evil, fiendish, and
simple

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-03-28 01:25am

MKSheppard wrote:
Bah. An independent kurdistan under US protection in northern Iraq
would actually be in everyone's best interest.

The Turks can now brush off human rights protestors as they can now
legimitately claim the Kurds still fighting against them are terrorists.

Etc etc with the rest of the countries in the area, who now can legimately
gain the legal upper hand now that there is a kurdistan, undercutting
the entire reason that these kurdish rebels fight for. Evil, fiendish, and
simple :twisted:

And who see's anyone else in the world signing off on this?

No? Didn't think so. Stombringer - Stravo - Jegs... HANDS DOWN!

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-03-28 01:40am

weemadando wrote:
And who see's anyone else in the world signing off on this?

No? Didn't think so. Stombringer - Stravo - Jegs... HANDS DOWN!

When we agree on a political issue, there's either something wrong, or it's very, very fucking obvious.