The core tomorrow

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-03-27 10:25pm

OK The core is in theaters tomorrow pitted against Basic,wich one will wipe the floor with the other?

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-03-27 10:27pm

I'll read the movie reviews in the paper tomorrow, and I might be able to make a better guess, but I'd say Basic, as I am personally biased against blatantly unscientific movies such as The Core.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-03-27 10:28pm

Probably BASIC will win. I dont intend to see either. The Travolta film seems like a copy of the other Army film he did. "General's Daughter???"

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-03-27 10:34pm

General's Daughter is right. I think Basic will beat the shit out of The Core simply because of Travolta and the legions of Scientologists who'll buy movie tickets.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-03-27 10:49pm

I suspect that the Core's scientific merits will be so poor that six year olds will be sitting in the theatre pointing out its realism flaws.

It's all well and good to say that the public doesn't care about realism, but you have to wonder if the Core is some kind of sociological experiment to see just how far you can push that envelope.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-03-27 10:54pm

Darth Wong wrote:I suspect that the Core's scientific merits will be so poor that six year olds will be sitting in the theatre pointing out its realism flaws.

It's all well and good to say that the public doesn't care about realism, but you have to wonder if the Core is some kind of sociological experiment to see just how far you can push that envelope.

I felt like screaming when I saw the Space Shuttle skidding out like a car.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-03-27 11:01pm

TrailerParkJawa wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:I suspect that the Core's scientific merits will be so poor that six year olds will be sitting in the theatre pointing out its realism flaws.

It's all well and good to say that the public doesn't care about realism, but you have to wonder if the Core is some kind of sociological experiment to see just how far you can push that envelope.
I felt like screaming when I saw the Space Shuttle skidding out like a car.

Oh man, I forgot about that. What the HELL.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-03-27 11:04pm

I'm going to open the newspaper and see that "The Core" had top earnings this weekend. I just know it. I'm crying already.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-03-27 11:28pm

BASIC? I haven't seen any ads, previews, posters, or anything on it.

Anyone know what the general idea behind it is? Without spoilers hopefully, but if it was on a preview or ad it'd be fair game I guess. I'm just curious about all military movies in general.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-03-27 11:30pm

RogueIce wrote:BASIC? I haven't seen any ads, previews, posters, or anything on it.

Anyone know what the general idea behind it is? Without spoilers hopefully, but if it was on a preview or ad it'd be fair game I guess. I'm just curious about all military movies in general.

Ive seen the ads and Im not really sure what the show is about other than there is an investigation of some sorts.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-03-27 11:33pm

TrailerParkJawa wrote:
RogueIce wrote:BASIC? I haven't seen any ads, previews, posters, or anything on it.

Anyone know what the general idea behind it is? Without spoilers hopefully, but if it was on a preview or ad it'd be fair game I guess. I'm just curious about all military movies in general.
Ive seen the ads and Im not really sure what the show is about other than there is an investigation of some sorts.

Any idea what the investigation's about?

And I gotta find that ad for The Core. The Space Shuttle skidding out? I could use a good laugh (as if "Gangsta Saddam" wasn't enough for one night).

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-03-27 11:34pm

Sadly I believe the Core will have more earnings only because it's shinier.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-03-27 11:36pm

Don't forget Head of State! It will outdo both! It has elderly white people dancing to Nelly! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-03-28 12:06am

TrailerParkJawa wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:I suspect that the Core's scientific merits will be so poor that six year olds will be sitting in the theatre pointing out its realism flaws.

It's all well and good to say that the public doesn't care about realism, but you have to wonder if the Core is some kind of sociological experiment to see just how far you can push that envelope.
I felt like screaming when I saw the Space Shuttle skidding out like a car.

What exactly was that scene like? Did the shuttle make a full stop in space, complete with the sound of tires skidding?

Is it PG-13? I think it is, and it means "If you have an IQ of over 13, then you will easily point out the bad science".

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-03-28 12:10am

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:
TrailerParkJawa wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:I suspect that the Core's scientific merits will be so poor that six year olds will be sitting in the theatre pointing out its realism flaws.

It's all well and good to say that the public doesn't care about realism, but you have to wonder if the Core is some kind of sociological experiment to see just how far you can push that envelope.
I felt like screaming when I saw the Space Shuttle skidding out like a car.
What exactly was that scene like? Did the shuttle make a full stop in space, complete with the sound of tires skidding?

Is it PG-13? I think it is, and it means "If you have an IQ of over 13, then you will easily point out the bad science".

You see the Space Shuttle skidding on the ground in what looks like one of the Los Angeles water aquaducts.

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2003-03-28 12:24am

IRRC the very first time the trailers were shown in theaters was before the Columbia(sp) accident.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-03-28 12:25am

I'd see Basic, if only for da Bad Motherfucker Jackson.

I can't stand such blatantly bad science...

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-03-28 12:26am

Darth Wong wrote:I suspect that the Core's scientific merits will be so poor that six year olds will be sitting in the theatre pointing out its realism flaws.

It's all well and good to say that the public doesn't care about realism, but you have to wonder if the Core is some kind of sociological experiment to see just how far you can push that envelope.

My local newspaper made fun of The Core today in the movie review section! They didn't give it an F - they gave it a D - but soundly trashed the film.

At any rate, Spirited Away reopens tomorrow and I may go see it.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-03-28 12:51am

Reviews on RottenTomatoes are more negative than positive, but The Core hasn't been totally trashed. The positive reviews all say the movie knows it's silly. I might see it just for the pretty special effects. I'll see what AICN and Roger Ebert say.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-03-28 12:52am

I've seen it in advance (what a waste of a preview showing for me and a girl

). Will write review for SD.net first thing in the morning.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-03-28 02:20am

Frankly, both of them look pretty poor, but maybe that's just me.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2003-03-28 11:05am

Darth Wong wrote:I suspect that the Core's scientific merits will be so poor that six year olds will be sitting in the theatre pointing out its realism flaws.

It's all well and good to say that the public doesn't care about realism, but you have to wonder if the Core is some kind of sociological experiment to see just how far you can push that envelope.

A synopsis of "The Core" from my morning paper.

A geophysicist discovers that an unknown force has caused the Earth's inner core to stop rotating. With the planets's magnetic field rapidly deteriorating, our atmosphere literally starts to come apart at the seams. A team of gifted scientists is sent in to reactivate the core.

Ummm...yes...right...uh huh...sure....whatever...

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-03-28 11:22am

I guess The cor is part of the recent trend in global catastrophic event movies,Armaggedon and Deep impact to name a few.

all major problem can be fixed with technobabble.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-28 11:38am

Even if a 1 gigaton uncontrolled explosion could set the core spinning again (it can't), it wouldn't set the core spinning at the exact same rate it was before, anyway. The inner core comprises about 2% of the Earth's overall mass, which pegs it at around 1.2E23 kg. The Earth's core rotates somewhere between 0.02 and 3 degrees per year. Just for estimation's sake, we'll call it 1 degree per year. That equates to 3.17E-8 degrees per second, or about 5.5E-10 rad/s.

The moment of inertia of a uniform sphere rotating about its center is

I = (2/5)mr^2,

where m is the mass and r is the radius. The radius of the inner core is about 2.6E6 m. So, its moment of inertia is 3.2E35 kg?m^2. Angular momentum is given by

p = Iw,

where w is the angular velocity. Thus, the total angular momentum of the Earth's core is 1.76E26 kg?m^2/s. This is the total amount of momentum that would have to be imparted in order to both stop the Earth's core from spinning (which is the problem in the first place, but no one mentioned where this huge amount of angular momentum traveling in the vector opposite the core's momentum vector comes from ... oh yeah, earthquakes snicker).

1 gigaton is about 4.2E18 J of energy. This is a large amount of energy, to be sure, but it's nowhere near enough to get the Earth's core spinning again at the same rate it was before. The linear momentum of an explosion is given by

p = U/c,

where U is the total energy and c is the speed of light. Even if all the linear momentum of the explosion was collected into a single torque and applied toward getting the Earth's core spinning again (which is can't be; 50% of it will inevitably be radiated away from the core entirely because explosions are omni-directional), that torque would have to move faster than the speed of light in order to generate the required change in angular momentum.

Of course, that's an overly simplistic explanation. But you should get an idea of what would be required to set the core spinning at the exact same rate it was. A nuclear blast won't do it.

However, the characters state that they are going to use a "nukular" blast to get the core going. While the exact properties of "nukular" weapons are unknown, it is certain that nuclear weapons will not get the job done, and that 1 gigaton of anything won't be enough.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-03-28 11:41am

I suppose you could rationalize it by saying the bomb was going to blow up the technobabble that stopped the core from spinning in the first place. Where the momentum of quadrillions of tons of spinning liquid iron went and how it comes back is totally beyond me, though.