Trump Dump: Internal Policy (Thread I)

[Flagg]

You guys are all pretending to be stupid. I warned this board a few years ago that Sweden would be used as a horror-example of what can go wrong with open borders.

Thats what he was talking about and I bet 100 % of his followers knew that right away, for all this pretended stupidity.

And you guys fell for it every time by the way: Now everyone will talk about Sweden and Swedens fuck up open border experiment.

Hi, my name is reality. We haven't spoken in awhile, but I think it's time we've caught up with each other...

[Simon_Jester]

That's only the cartoonishly evil propaganda depictions of fascist leaders. In real life, Hitler and Mussolini were two of the most incompetent leaders of the 20th century. Hitler circa 1932-33 and Trump circa 2016-17 have disturbing similarities.

Me, I disagree, I say Mussolini.

About the only traits Trump and Hitler really have in common are:
1) Creepy personal lives, and
2) A knack for accomplishing things the experts said they weren't going to be able to pull off.

Hitler had an encyclopedic memory. Hitler had oratorical skill that motivated a frightening number of literate Germans to listen to him- he didn't coast into office purely on the strength of his personality or his 'brand.' And going a step down from the top to look at advisors, suffice to say that Steve Bannon is no Joseph Goebbels.

...

Now, there is one really BIG, super-consequential difference between Trump and Mussolini (or Hitler). Both Mussolini and Hitler organized paramilitary armies of party minions (the Black and Brown Shirts, respectively) to use organized violence against their political opponents before taking office.

Trump has done no such thing. I'm sure he could find a million people willing to act as Republican Party goons and headbreakers if he really wanted to- it's a big country. But he has no such organization now, nor can he construct one without people noticing.

This makes a huge difference in terms of what he can and cannot do to threaten democratic institutions.

[FTeik]

How many people die because of guns every year in the USA again? Thirty-thousand? That are 83 people every day. I don't know about you, but in other countries this would be called civil war. And the americans piss themselves about arabs and mexicans? Somebody needs to get his priorities right.

[cosmicalstorm]

I better be wrong. I see multiculture as the biggest betrayal of the working class in Swedens entire history. All of it a giant fraud, about to come tumbling down.
You guys were equally smugly assured Trump was never going to win.
He may be a narcissistic nut soon to be impeached, but his nose is correct: something is rotting inside of Sweden. Something for many years carefully concealed by cooperative journalists, politicians and malicious bureaucrats.
But something is rotting and it will come exploding out before your eyes.

List of Swedish dysfunction:
Migration: Hundreds of thousands of immigrants who rely on monthly welfare payments, no means of support if welfare was stopped for some reason.
Defense: No defense left, cannot defend Sweden for a week vs Russia.
Foodsupplies: No state emergency supplies. Citizens expected to supply themselves, no backup for more than 72 hours of trucks not coming
Hospitals: Locked doors at emergency wards, more guards, understaffed, panic reports every week for years.
Police: Understaffed, more officers quit than sign up.
Energy: Old powerplants, crazy energy tax system.
Finance: Exceptional amount of loans, for both state and citizens
Customs: Lol they did not stop cars on Öresundsbridge if there were too many men inside for a while.

It's about as stable as a pencil balanced on its sharp end.

Heres a pic from Rinkeby tonight, police had to shoot in the air to stop the riots

[mr friendly guy]

You guys are all pretending to be stupid. I warned this board a few years ago that Sweden would be used as a horror-example of what can go wrong with open borders.

Thats what he was talking about and I bet 100 % of his followers knew that right away, for all this pretended stupidity.

And you guys fell for it every time by the way: Now everyone will talk about Sweden and Swedens fuck up open border experiment.

I agree that a country should limit and choose the immigrants and make attempt to integrate them, something which I hear Sweden is failing with some Muslim immigrants. For example there are schools where Arabic is spoken but not Swedish (ideally kids can learn both languages).

However your spiel about Sweden's failings has got nothing to do with Trump's claim about a false terrorist attack on Sweden, and this is just blatant shifting the goalposts.

[SolarpunkFan]

Edit: disregard post, I'm an idiot.

[Dragon Angel]

I better be wrong. I see multiculture as the biggest betrayal of the working class in Swedens entire history. All of it a giant fraud, about to come tumbling down.
You guys were equally smugly assured Trump was never going to win.
He may be a narcissistic nut soon to be impeached, but his nose is correct: something is rotting inside of Sweden. Something for many years carefully concealed by cooperative journalists, politicians and malicious bureaucrats.
But something is rotting and it will come exploding out before your eyes.

Please tell us more of the impending threat of the Cultural Marxists and how white culture is being drowned out. I mean, that is where you're trying to go, right?

List of Swedish dysfunction:
Migration: Hundreds of thousands of immigrants who rely on monthly welfare payments, no means of support if welfare was stopped for some reason.
Defense: No defense left, cannot defend Sweden for a week vs Russia.
Foodsupplies: No state emergency supplies. Citizens expected to supply themselves, no backup for more than 72 hours of trucks not coming
Hospitals: Locked doors at emergency wards, more guards, understaffed, panic reports every week for years.
Police: Understaffed, more officers quit than sign up.
Energy: Old powerplants, crazy energy tax system.
Finance: Exceptional amount of loans, for both state and citizens
Customs: Lol they did not stop cars on Öresundsbridge if there were too many men inside for a while.

It's about as stable as a pencil balanced on its sharp end.

Evidence.

Heres a pic from Rinkeby tonight, police had to shoot in the air to stop the riots

Allow me to provide you picture of Sweden every day.



Looks apocalyptic.

[SolarpunkFan]

Okay, I retract the edited post I made.

It turns out that Sweden's crime rate has been declining for the past 12 years.

[Zaune]

Now, there is one really BIG, super-consequential difference between Trump and Mussolini (or Hitler). Both Mussolini and Hitler organized paramilitary armies of party minions (the Black and Brown Shirts, respectively) to use organized violence against their political opponents before taking office.

Trump has done no such thing. I'm sure he could find a million people willing to act as Republican Party goons and headbreakers if he really wanted to- it's a big country. But he has no such organization now, nor can he construct one without people noticing.

This makes a huge difference in terms of what he can and cannot do to threaten democratic institutions.

You could make a case that Trump doesn't have to create a paramilitary army of loyal minions because, like a number of things he claims credit for, it already existed without any effort being made on his part. Is this not the candidate endorsed by the United States of America's largest, oldest and most famous domestic terrorist organisation, the Ku Klux Klan? Not to mention every half-baked Patriotic Citizens Militia in the country.

[Simon_Jester]

Emphasis on 'half baked.' Compared to the Sturmabteilung and the MVSN, none of those groups are much of a threat, and that includes the modern incarnation of the KKK.

If the Klan could snap their fingers and turn back into the monster they were back in the Roaring Twenties, then they'd be something close to that level of organized, violent political ugliness. But that was ninety years ago; they haven't been the same since Superman got done trashing them.

Yes, I know, Superman is a fictional character. He kicked their asses anyway.

[Flagg]

comicalwhateverIcan'tbebotheredtorememberhisfuckingname is literally equating multiculturalism with terrorism. Does he give the Roman salute to his picture of Anders Breivik hung over his toilet whilst pissing or after taking a shit?

[Lord Revan]

comicalwhateverIcan'tbebotheredtorememberhisfuckingname is literally equating multiculturalism with terrorism. Does he give the Roman salute to his picture of Anders Breivik hung over his toilet whilst pissing or after taking a shit?

I don't he's so much a dedicated racist as he's what Lenin called "useful idiots" though in his case it's for the right wing rather then left.

He takes what ever possibility to cry "wolf!" without checking if the canine in question was actually a wolf or a his neighbour's poodle, all that matters is that there's a canine there and it allows him to express his paranoid fantasies, honestly if some his "news sources"(read:xenophobic propaganda) wrote that Finland was gonna invade tomorrow he'd belive it without question regardless of fact there's been peace and friendship between Sweden and Finland for as long as Finland has existed and that Finnish Defense Force is literally incapable of invading any country at this point (there's neither the transport capacity nor the manpower for it).

Basically he's less of a neo-SS recruit and more like the crazy drunk homeless guy who rants in the street corner about what ever imagined threat that pops in his mind.

[Lord Revan]

Emphasis on 'half baked.' Compared to the Sturmabteilung and the MVSN, none of those groups are much of a threat, and that includes the modern incarnation of the KKK.

If the Klan could snap their fingers and turn back into the monster they were back in the Roaring Twenties, then they'd be something close to that level of organized, violent political ugliness. But that was ninety years ago; they haven't been the same since Superman got done trashing them.

Yes, I know, Superman is a fictional character. He kicked their asses anyway.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't those right wing militias also practically as much "at war" with each other as they are with the goverment with only real thing they have in common being their hatred of the goverment?

So they might temporally unite to resist the goverment taking one of them down but they won't (and possibly even cannot) unite to challenge the goverment if one of their numbers isn't directly threatened.

[Dartzap]

So they might temporally unite to resist the goverment taking one of them down but they won't (and possibly even cannot) unite to challenge the goverment if one of their numbers isn't directly threatened.

You know that without any context, this sounds almost word-for-word like many discussions had here in the last decade about Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria?

Lovely thought, isn't it?

[Lord Revan]

So they might temporally unite to resist the goverment taking one of them down but they won't (and possibly even cannot) unite to challenge the goverment if one of their numbers isn't directly threatened.

You know that without any context, this sounds almost word-for-word like many discussions had here in the last decade about Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria?

Lovely thought, isn't it?

That's why context is so import. We're not talking about random warlords in country that's dirt poor but rather we're talking about nutcases who resist the goverment for not being racist enough, in one wealthies countries on the planet.

[Flagg]

comicalwhateverIcan'tbebotheredtorememberhisfuckingname is literally equating multiculturalism with terrorism. Does he give the Roman salute to his picture of Anders Breivik hung over his toilet whilst pissing or after taking a shit?

I don't he's so much a dedicated racist as he's what Lenin called "useful idiots" though in his case it's for the right wing rather then left.

He takes what ever possibility to cry "wolf!" without checking if the canine in question was actually a wolf or a his neighbour's poodle, all that matters is that there's a canine there and it allows him to express his paranoid fantasies, honestly if some his "news sources"(read:xenophobic propaganda) wrote that Finland was gonna invade tomorrow he'd belive it without question regardless of fact there's been peace and friendship between Sweden and Finland for as long as Finland has existed and that Finnish Defense Force is literally incapable of invading any country at this point (there's neither the transport capacity nor the manpower for it).

Basically he's less of a neo-SS recruit and more like the crazy drunk homeless guy who rants in the street corner about what ever imagined threat that pops in his mind.

Honestly, and I'm not discounting your opinion, it's probably dead on, but at this point I'm sick of having to delineate the type, kind, and motivation, that whilst you say tomato...

[Lord Revan]

comicalwhateverIcan'tbebotheredtorememberhisfuckingname is literally equating multiculturalism with terrorism. Does he give the Roman salute to his picture of Anders Breivik hung over his toilet whilst pissing or after taking a shit?

I don't he's so much a dedicated racist as he's what Lenin called "useful idiots" though in his case it's for the right wing rather then left.

He takes what ever possibility to cry "wolf!" without checking if the canine in question was actually a wolf or a his neighbour's poodle, all that matters is that there's a canine there and it allows him to express his paranoid fantasies, honestly if some his "news sources"(read:xenophobic propaganda) wrote that Finland was gonna invade tomorrow he'd belive it without question regardless of fact there's been peace and friendship between Sweden and Finland for as long as Finland has existed and that Finnish Defense Force is literally incapable of invading any country at this point (there's neither the transport capacity nor the manpower for it).

Basically he's less of a neo-SS recruit and more like the crazy drunk homeless guy who rants in the street corner about what ever imagined threat that pops in his mind.

Honestly, and I'm not discounting your opinion, it's probably dead on, but at this point I'm sick of having to delineate the type, kind, and motivation, that whilst you say tomato...

I say what you're saying.

[Flagg]

I don't he's so much a dedicated racist as he's what Lenin called "useful idiots" though in his case it's for the right wing rather then left.

He takes what ever possibility to cry "wolf!" without checking if the canine in question was actually a wolf or a his neighbour's poodle, all that matters is that there's a canine there and it allows him to express his paranoid fantasies, honestly if some his "news sources"(read:xenophobic propaganda) wrote that Finland was gonna invade tomorrow he'd belive it without question regardless of fact there's been peace and friendship between Sweden and Finland for as long as Finland has existed and that Finnish Defense Force is literally incapable of invading any country at this point (there's neither the transport capacity nor the manpower for it).

Basically he's less of a neo-SS recruit and more like the crazy drunk homeless guy who rants in the street corner about what ever imagined threat that pops in his mind.

Honestly, and I'm not discounting your opinion, it's probably dead on, but at this point I'm sick of having to delineate the type, kind, and motivation, that whilst you say tomato...

I say what you're saying.

Now let's get them FEMA Camps open, them black trains rolling, and scare the shit out of Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, and Sean Hannity!

[Lord Revan]

Honestly, and I'm not discounting your opinion, it's probably dead on, but at this point I'm sick of having to delineate the type, kind, and motivation, that whilst you say tomato...

I say what you're saying.

Now let's get them FEMA Camps open, them black trains rolling, and scare the shit out of Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, and Sean Hannity!

That's your job, I'm natural born citizen of the Republic of Finland with no dual citizenship. That does give a certain degree of perspective on the actions of Donald Trump because it's not my cow that's in the ditch, I am an outsider when it comes to US internal politics and in fact only reason I take intrest on the current situation is how it affects me. The problem with Trump's goverment is that no-one seems to know how to react to them it creates uncertency here. That said there's a world of difference between "things are uncertain so we should prepare for the realistic worst case scenario" and "the sky is about to fall, we must slaughter slavs or brown people to stop it!"

[SolarpunkFan]

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't those right wing militias also practically as much "at war" with each other as they are with the goverment with only real thing they have in common being their hatred of the goverment?

So they might temporally unite to resist the goverment taking one of them down but they won't (and possibly even cannot) unite to challenge the goverment if one of their numbers isn't directly threatened.

I can't speak for militias but I have had my finger on the pulse of the alt-right occasionally and it seems there's quite some infighting.

Granted they share most goals (racism, appreciation of brutal dictatorships, free market fundamentalism), but there are some differences in opinion in the various cliques within the alt-reich movement.

It seems to be getting worse now that Milo Yianopolous is a known supporter of pedophilia.

[Zaune]

Emphasis on 'half baked.' Compared to the Sturmabteilung and the MVSN, none of those groups are much of a threat, and that includes the modern incarnation of the KKK.

If the Klan could snap their fingers and turn back into the monster they were back in the Roaring Twenties, then they'd be something close to that level of organized, violent political ugliness. But that was ninety years ago; they haven't been the same since Superman got done trashing them.

Yes, I know, Superman is a fictional character. He kicked their asses anyway.

They're still a potential source of heavies if Trump decides the uniformed services aren't politically reliable enough for him, though. Plus they have one thing going for them that the Brownshirts didn't; not being officially affiliated with the GOP, Trump can preserve a thin veneer of plausible deniability if they shoot up a BLM rally or something.

[Beowulf]

How many people die because of guns every year in the USA again? Thirty-thousand? That are 83 people every day. I don't know about you, but in other countries this would be called civil war. And the americans piss themselves about arabs and mexicans? Somebody needs to get his priorities right.

That's a bit of a non-sequitur. Also, 2/3rds of deaths from firearms are due to suicide. Helping people with their mental health will do much more to assist in that than almost anything else. And we shouldn't get side tracked into a gun control discussion.

[The Romulan Republic]

How many people die because of guns every year in the USA again? Thirty-thousand? That are 83 people every day. I don't know about you, but in other countries this would be called civil war. And the americans piss themselves about arabs and mexicans? Somebody needs to get his priorities right.

But see, we need all those guns to protect us from the scary A-rabs and Mexicans.

That's pretty much the far Right's thinking. Those of them who aren't openly admitting that they want those guns to overthrow the government, though I expect their will be less of that now that their crowd is in the White House.

[SolarpunkFan]

But see, we need all those guns to protect us from the scary A-rabs and Mexicans.

That's pretty much the far Right's thinking. Those of them who aren't openly admitting that they want those guns to overthrow the government, though I expect their will be less of that now that their crowd is in the White House.

Indeed. The militia nuts seem to get unusually quiet when the president happens to be a Republican...

Also, history proves their interpretation of the Second Amendment wrong at any rate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shays%27_Rebellion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

[EnterpriseSovereign]

So Trump has gone from mildly delusional to completely round the twist. I can't wait to see how his apologists handwave this one away...