Star Wars: Rebels

[Galvatron]

I can't believe how close I was.

But you didn't object to the other idea. Two years BBY, Mon Mothma was branded a traitor to the Empire and became a wanted fugitive so she fled Chandrila. Maybe the crew of the Ghost rescued her and served as her personal guard thereafter.

After all, wouldn't Mon Mothma as a series-regular make a lot of sense for Rebels? Using this show for character development of the actual leader of the rebellion seems a no-brainer to me.

[Batman]

Well when you're right, you're right
I would've let the 'lets burn the TIEs by getting close to the wannabe star' slide because nobody but us cares about the physics involved anyway, but how come the 'fire proton torpedo into the nebula' explosion didn't to zilch to the Ghost or the Y-Wings despite being powerful enough to disable a Star Destroyer?

[Galvatron]

Maybe the ISDs were running with their shields down like the Avenger was when it was pursuing the Falcon in TESB.

[FedRebel]

Star Destroyers being unable to enter the nebula seems odd to me. Given the effect proton torps have...could those big engines be the reason? That they output potent enough exhaust that they'd ignite the cloud on entering?

Unshielded TIE Interceptors seem to hold up surprisingly well in the corona of a protostar. Anything usable in calculating the tolerances of durasteel and transparisteel?

Seems the Empire does prototypes "Russia Style", full war capability on the Defender

This 'nebula' makes the Star Trek gas soups seem realistic. The Rebels past what, an AU...pushing it 3AU, gaseous density enough for an antimatter chain reaction. Just how many anti-protons are in a fighter launched proton torpedo?

[FedRebel]

Maybe the ISDs were running with their shields down like the Avenger was when it was pursuing the Falcon in TESB.

Possible, they were cocky, initially assumed the Ghost was alone and Konstantine did not take two fighters as a serious threat. The Ghost was in tractors and damaged...no threat

[Adam Reynolds]

I guess the idea was supposed to be that they jumped to hyperspace quickly enough to escape, but it feels problematic regardless. Yet another case of odd SW physics. Oh well.

Also, why was there only a single TIE defender? Though I suppose if they exist in numbers it begs the question of why they aren't in common use at Yavin or Endor. I suppose their absense is possible if Thrawn is defeated, and because it was his pet project no one else in the Imperial Navy much cared to build them. The standard TIE likely had preference as a result of inertia and politics, with a major effort to redirect efforts towards the Death Star and capital ships like Executor.

[Lord Revan]

depending on the angle the ISDs might have also shielded (with their hull that is) the Ghost to a degree, explaining why it seems to be unharmed.

[Shroom Man 777]

The torpedos did detonate in gas-masses nearer to the ISDs than the Ghost...

[Galvatron]

The new EU seems to regard the TIE defender as the Imperial analog to the rebel B-wing.

[Lord Revan]

The new EU seems to regard the TIE defender as the Imperial analog to the rebel B-wing.

wasn't it that to degree in the legendaries as well with a bit of A-wing mixed in there as well. I mean in the X-wing flightsims the TIE/D had 8 (IIRC) guns to the B-wing's 6 and had decent shields, though it was much faster and nimble then the B-Wing (or IIRC the A-wing).

[Galvatron]

wasn't it that to degree in the legendaries as well with a bit of A-wing mixed in there as well.

Yes, but you'll notice that they skipped over the TIE advanced and the gunboats from the old games. The TIE defender appears to be a direct response to the experimental B-wing that was introduced last season.

I thought it was amusing how tough its shields were though, despite the fact shielded rebel fighters succumb to enemy fire quite easily. The TIE defender, on the other hand, seemed downright invincible. I wonder how tough the B-wing is.

[Lord Revan]

wasn't it that to degree in the legendaries as well with a bit of A-wing mixed in there as well.

Yes, but you'll notice that they skipped over the TIE advanced and the gunboats from the old games. The TIE defender appears to be a direct response to the experimental B-wing that was introduced last season.

I thought it was amusing how tough its shields were though, despite the fact shielded rebel fighters succumb to enemy fire quite easily. The TIE defender, on the other hand, seemed downright invincible. I wonder how tough the B-wing is.

Hard to say, since as far as I know we've not seen one in combat in visual (non-game) media, B-wings were never seen in combat in the movies sadly (IIRC the narrow cross-shape of the craft made the effects too hard to make back in the early 80s).

That said the shields on the prototype could be like the big-ass ship killing gun in the B-wings seems to be aka something that's reduced/removed in the production models to make them more cost efficient.

[Galvatron]

Hard to say, since as far as I know we've not seen one in combat in visual (non-game) media, B-wings were never seen in combat in the movies sadly (IIRC the narrow cross-shape of the craft made the effects too hard to make back in the early 80s).

In that case, how do we know for certain that the superlaser was removed in the production model?

[Batman]

The superlaser nixed the hyperdrive yet they B-Wings are already out by their own when the Rebel fleet jumps to Endor in RotJ.

[Shroom Man 777]

Unless they fixed that somehow... they might have to abandon the hyperdrive-compromising abilities that Quarry didn't consider to be a major factor since he never thought of the context his masterpiece would operate in, namely a really mobile galactic guerrilla campaign...

Perhaps the workarounds Quarry might devise would be hard for ragtag ramshackle Rebel maintenance crews to follow... yes, Quarry did design the thing in a cave on a mountain, possibly with a box of scraps, but he had years and a genius-brain to figure it out and Rebel crews might not have such luxuries... (actually he never actually did figure out a workaround for the hyperdrive depletion factor, did he?) and maybe his hermitage and his degree of ability, heck his whole "ONLY A WORTHY PILOT CAN FLY MY GLORIOUS PROTOTYPE" shtick, have led to a mindset that's hyper-focused on making a badass craft without considerations for combat/logistics operational factors.

[Lord Revan]

Hard to say, since as far as I know we've not seen one in combat in visual (non-game) media, B-wings were never seen in combat in the movies sadly (IIRC the narrow cross-shape of the craft made the effects too hard to make back in the early 80s).

In that case, how do we know for certain that the superlaser was removed in the production model?

While it's true we don't know 100% sure that the superlaser was removed, It's not an unreasonble assumption to make as IIRC it's not depicted in any chonogically later canon material with B-wing generally depicted with the 3 laser+3 ion+torps config most legendaries sources depicted it as, also the superlaser fried the hyperdrive when used and while it's possible that the rebels discorved a work around that's a lot of R&D work. Oh the production B-wing also looks different (the protoype had manned turret at the bottom with a visible window while the production model has what appears to be an unmanned pod there).

Honestly it's not that odd, it's not unheard of even in real life that a prototype version of a combat craft has options or materials that are dropped in production versions for the sake of cost efficiency.

[Galvatron]

I wonder if any more ships hyper'd in after this closing shot.



I wonder if that's supposed to be Home One back there.

Am I the only one who thinks the Ghost looks awesome with those two Y-wings docked to it?

[Shroom Man 777]

Ezra and co. were the ones that got that wedge-shaped Imperial carrier right? So... it got passed on to another Rebel cell?

[Rogue 9]

Or the Phoenix cell showed up to the meeting.

[Lord Revan]

I'd say Phoenix Cell being at the meeting is possible if not probable. From what I've heard that planet is suppose to be Dantooine so I wonder if they'll show (in season 4 or 5) why the rebels abbandoned that base in favor of the Yavin 4 base (we know it happend "some time" before ANH and that by Rogue One Yavin 4 was their main base, though that doesn't need to mean the Dantooine base was still inactive).

[eMeM]

I think they are just moving the base after some time to make locating them harder.

Certainly the Empire didn't know about thee Dantooine base till well after it was abandoned.

[Galvatron]

No doubt Thrawn will locate Phoenix cell's current base and whomever survives his attack will wind up on Dantooine.

[The Romulan Republic]

Oh, that's a nice shot of the Rebel fleet.

More substantial than I would have expected it to be, perhaps, this early on, though it does seem to be mostly corvettes/transports, with only one or two actual capital ships.

[The Romulan Republic]

I think they are just moving the base after some time to make locating them harder.

Certainly the Empire didn't know about thee Dantooine base till well after it was abandoned.

Yeah.

If the Dantooine Base had been attacked, then Tarkin would presumably have known that it was no longer an active Rebel base, and Leia would not have tried that deception.

[Lord Revan]

I think they are just moving the base after some time to make locating them harder.

Certainly the Empire didn't know about thee Dantooine base till well after it was abandoned.

Yeah.

If the Dantooine Base had been attacked, then Tarkin would presumably have known that it was no longer an active Rebel base, and Leia would not have tried that deception.

yeah my question was the based forced to be abbandoned or was it simply moved pre-emptively to avoid detection. Essentially I'm wondering if it was "oh shit the empire is getting too close to this place with their probes, lets move it before we're discovered" or "we've been here for 6 months lets start planning to move the base to a new system so the Empire can't find us", also I wonder if the Dantooine base was still active after the HQ was transferred to Yavin 4 (though obviously not as a HQ) after all if the rebels had logistical capacity to do so more then 1 base wouldn't hurt too much.