Star Wars: Rebels

[The Romulan Republic]

Eh, you could barely see Luke on Tatooine- he was just a moving speck, basically, wasn't he?

Introducing Pellaeon would be a good move, yes.

If only some but not all of the main cast die, though, it'll probably be Ezra and/or Bridger who are first on the chopping block, due to the difficulties (not insurmountable ones, but still present) with having active Jedi other than Kenobi/Yoda/Luke during the OT period.

The only one who I'm pretty sure is safe is Hera, because it is heavily implied that she's alive up to Rogue One, at least.

[NecronLord]

You actually see Chopper in Rogue 1.

[NecronLord]

Except, the GALACTIC Empire isn't composed of medievals and morons who barely capable of comprehending which end of a SPOON to use. There's glory and money enough for all.

No, there isn't.

To quote the ANH novellization:

The Old Republic was the Republic of legend, greater than distance or time. No need to note where it was or whence it came, only to know that... it was the Republic.

Once, under the wise rule of the Senate and the protection of the Jedi Knights, the Republic throve and grew. But as often happens when wealth and power pass beyond the admirable and attain the awesome, then appear those evil ones who have greed to match.

There is no limit to greed.

More generall, if you gave say, Grand Admiral Teshik, command of a vast fleet littered with fractalsponge's Star Dreadnoughts, and let him pick his crews, how long before he begins to think about being Emperor Teshik I?

Palpatine also has that Dark Side thing on his side, along with an Apprentice who tends to keep the unruly and power-seeking graspers in line. it's just lousy writing. It always was, and remains so

Vader isn't a be all and end all vs a military coup. Remember how Revan was originally defeated by Malak? Just blow him up from a warship and don't take any inbound calls he sends.

[eMeM]

Are we? Luke looked much younger on Tattoine than he should if thats the case...

They used Ezra's model for Luke, so he is exactly as old as he should be.

[Galvatron]

If Thrawn isn't the only grand admiral in the new EU, I can't help but wonder why Tagge was promoted to grand general and made de facto commander-in-chief of the Imperial military ABY.

[Lord Revan]

If Thrawn isn't the only grand admiral in the new EU, I can't help but wonder why Tagge was promoted to grand general and made de facto commander-in-chief of the Imperial military ABY.

the rank of grand admiral/general prestige rank similar to how the 5-star general/admiral rank works in the US military, it wouldn't grant any additional authority or duties in and of itself, but it would mark you as someone who the emperor deemed worthy of this honor and such would in theory grant you additional authority thru respect.

[Elfdart]

God, the old EU was silly. You've got an existential threat to the Empire in the form of an internal rebellion and you don't task your best military commanders with crushing them?

You mean like numerous real life empires did?

As a feudal empire/dictatorship you do not sent your best commanders into battle with rebels because they might get ideas to try out their own rebellion or join them. That is why the best troops in such nations are often commanded by utter incompetents while good officers go to waste on the frontiers.

I was thinking the same thing. Sometimes a brilliant/unorthodox officer is assigned shit duty or drummed out of the service entirely by jealous colleagues.

[Thanas]

Except, the GALACTIC Empire isn't composed of medievals and morons who barely capable of comprehending which end of a SPOON to use. There's glory and money enough for all. Palpatine also has that Dark Side thing on his side, along with an Apprentice who tends to keep the unruly and power-seeking graspers in line. it's just lousy writing. It always was, and remains so

Nice of you to ignore how I specifically mentioned modern dictatorships in there as well.

[DesertFly]

we're nearing the point where Rogue One starts

Are we? Luke looked much younger on Tattoine than he should if thats the case...

That was an odd thing, since Luke is literally the same age as Ezra, and of course Leia, who we saw earlier in the show, and they are both late teens. It was probably(?) a flashback from some earlier time in Kenobi's time on Tatooine, or perhaps metaphorical.

[Tiriol]

If Thrawn isn't the only grand admiral in the new EU, I can't help but wonder why Tagge was promoted to grand general and made de facto commander-in-chief of the Imperial military ABY.

the rank of grand admiral/general prestige rank similar to how the 5-star general/admiral rank works in the US military, it wouldn't grant any additional authority or duties in and of itself, but it would mark you as someone who the emperor deemed worthy of this honor and such would in theory grant you additional authority thru respect.

Part of Palpatine's decision to make Tagge Grand General and the one in charge of Imperial military was clearly to spite Vader. Given that Thrawn in Rebels answers to Tarkin, just being "grand" something doesn't turn one into supreme commander all by itself.

[Tiriol]

God, the old EU was silly. You've got an existential threat to the Empire in the form of an internal rebellion and you don't task your best military commanders with crushing them?

You mean like numerous real life empires did?

As a feudal empire/dictatorship you do not sent your best commanders into battle with rebels because they might get ideas to try out their own rebellion or join them. That is why the best troops in such nations are often commanded by utter incompetents while good officers go to waste on the frontiers.

Adding to what Thanas said: in the old EU the Twelve weren't necessarily the best military commanders (and old EU also ranked Admiral Piett along several Grand Admirals in military leadership and ability), but simply extra useful military personnel who needed rank to pull when going about their business. And we have at least one Grand Admiral going rogue (Zaarin) who managed to capture the Emperor himself - it wouldn't be surprising if the Emperor was just being properly paranoid by not making Grand Admiral nigh-omnipotent shoguns. They were apparently given rather specific, albeit wide-reaching, tasks: Thrawn was tasked with mapping out the Unknown Regions and building up Empire's bases there (the Empire of Hand), for example.

When it comes to Disney continuity, it seems that by the time of Rebels, most high-ranking officers are just as much politicians as they are soldiers (if Governor Pryce's specific request of having Thrawn and his Seventh Fleet is anything to go by), so there just might not be that many brilliant commanders available who could also play the game of politics well enough.

Have we seen even one Jango Fett clone serving the Empire yet? You'd think we'd see them serving as generals and admirals during the OT if the Empire allowed them to.

It appears to me that even during the Clone Wars the clones were not given strategic command. Some clones seem to work on starship bridges as officers, but not as captains of entire ships; and all clones seem to be subservient to non-clone officers and, of course, the Jedi (even Jedi Padawans outrank clone commanders, who seem to be the highest-ranking clone officers around). I don't think that the Empire would be ready to accept clones as admirals or generals, since it would probably block ambitious natural-born Imperials' advancement opportunities.

[eMeM]

we're nearing the point where Rogue One starts

Are we? Luke looked much younger on Tattoine than he should if thats the case...

That was an odd thing, since Luke is literally the same age as Ezra

As I said, they literally used Season 3 Ezra's model.

[Galvatron]

Part of Palpatine's decision to make Tagge Grand General and the one in charge of Imperial military was clearly to spite Vader. Given that Thrawn in Rebels answers to Tarkin, just being "grand" something doesn't turn one into supreme commander all by itself.

Makes sense. After all, there was a Grand General Loring who was based on Malastare, but apparently had nothing close to the power that Tagge did.

It appears to me that even during the Clone Wars the clones were not given strategic command. Some clones seem to work on starship bridges as officers, but not as captains of entire ships; and all clones seem to be subservient to non-clone officers and, of course, the Jedi (even Jedi Padawans outrank clone commanders, who seem to be the highest-ranking clone officers around). I don't think that the Empire would be ready to accept clones as admirals or generals, since it would probably block ambitious natural-born Imperials' advancement opportunities.

In the canon section of Commander Cody's Wookieepedia entry, it says this: "With the support and recommendations of General Kenobi he rose to Marshal Commander, the highest rank a clone can hold."

After the Clone Wars, it wouldn't surprise me if veteran clonetroopers were tasked with training stormtroopers once they were too old to serve as troopers themselves. Their conditioning no doubt prevented the vast majority of them from taking offense at being glorified slaves and rebelling against the Empire.

[Dartzap]

Rebels S4 trailer

I'm getting the distinct feeling that much of the crew is going to be offed. That or Hera is drunk.

Oh, and X-Wings finally appear.

[NecronLord]

I love the wolves, and Kallus's new look.

[Raesene]

Season 4 will be the last one with only 15 episodes

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[RogueIce]

Bo Katan? FUCK YEAH!

[Ender]

Rukh is a skinny little sob

Ashoka being the wolf and talk of balance and all that...Eh....

[FedRebel]

Ezra and Kanaan are doomed by canon, the tone of Hera's monologue indicates bad things

Chopper and Hera are guaranteed to survive until Rogue One,

Hazarding a guess, Kanaan and Ezra sacrifice themselves to ensure the TIE Defender factory is destroyed

[Knife]

LOL, not every rebel before Luke Skywalker has to die. Nor does Kannan or Ezra, they can skip around that by them just not being Jedi. Expand on the Bendu thing.

[Ender]

LOL, not every rebel before Luke Skywalker has to die. Nor does Kannan or Ezra, they can skip around that by them just not being Jedi. Expand on the Bendu thing.

Nah, kill em. Not like heroic deaths either, have then die in bog standard repression. Have Ezra jaywalk on those empty Lothal highways and get gunned down by a cop or something. The shows have done enough Nazi apologetics, go ahead and remind folks "oh yeah, the Empire is FUCKING EVIL"

[Rogue 9]

The show's been doing plenty to show that the Empire is fucking evil, starting with the opening scene. Unfortunately it also shows them to be mainly bumbling incompetents.

[Shroom Man 777]

PeZook's stories of the Nazi occupation of Poland depicts both aspects actually.

[bilateralrope]

LOL, not every rebel before Luke Skywalker has to die. Nor does Kannan or Ezra, they can skip around that by them just not being Jedi. Expand on the Bendu thing.

Even if they don't consider themselves Jedi others will and they probably have knowledge of the Jedi that Luke doesn't after ANH. So them not being Jedi doesn't explain why Luke won't seek them out to learn what he can from them.

[Lord Revan]

There are ways Kanan and Ezra can be "unavaible" that don't involve a bodycount (or at least them being part of the bodycount) for example they could MIA presumed dead after an operation went south even if it technically succeeded or they went to do what ever Luke went to do before TFA only earlier and no one knows where they went.

Both of those options would leave Kanan and Ezra to be "unavaible" to instruct Luke on the ways of the Jedi, seeing as I dout rebel command is willing to allow Luke to go on quest that could possibly take decades to try find people who they're not certain are even alive anymore.