Wonder Woman- the Reviews are In

[Ralin]

However, as the sun was rising in the aftermath, you'll note all of the German soldiers looked like they'd woken from a very bad dream. They'd lost the urge to fight, one even hugging Chief. Killing Ares did stop the aggression.

I thought it was ambiguous how much of that was Ares's influence being removed and how much was relief at having lived through the (fantastical, nightmarish) battle.

I wonder if the bit about trying to pretend she was a secretary was a deliberate reference to the original Justice Society or if that was just a coincidence?

[Crazedwraith]

Eta: Can we get a warning added the thread title? Spoilers ahead.




I wanted to like this film but in all honesty I felt a little underwhelmed in the end. It stands head and shoulders above the other DCEU films for me in terms of enjoyabillity and comprehensibility. There's nothing wrong with it as far as I can put my finger on. But it did lack something.

Not totally up to date on Wonder Woman but made of clay was the classic origin and child of Zeus is the new 52 one? I actually thought she was going to turn out the be Ares' daughter at one point.

One question: what happened to the ship that followed the boats into Paradise Isle? Did all the crew go in the boats because it seems to be total non issue after the landing party are all killed.

It seemed a nice touch that WW seemed to get more and more powerful over the film, as her trainer/aunt was implying at the start as a Goddess her limits seem to be subconsciously self-imposed. Her going full goddess at the end seems at contrast with her power levels in BvS but then most of what she did was durability and tossing back lightning with her bracers.

[Majin Gojira]

Not totally up to date on Wonder Woman but made of clay was the classic origin and child of Zeus is the new 52 one? I actually thought she was going to turn out the be Ares' daughter at one point.

In the Nu52 origin she was the daughter of Zeus and lied to about her origin. It was one of the several mistakes that run made that marred an otherwise epic story.

One question: what happened to the ship that followed the boats into Paradise Isle? Did all the crew go in the boats because it seems to be total non issue after the landing party are all killed.

It's a blink and you'll miss it moment, but it appears to hit reef and start sinking in one of the wide shots of the boats rowing out.

[Q99]

The ship never saw past the barrier either, so they'd have no idea what's going on.

In the Nu52 origin she was the daughter of Zeus and lied to about her origin. It was one of the several mistakes that run made that marred an otherwise epic story.

Yep. Not the biggest of the mistakes, but a noteworthy one (actually the one that got me to put down the book at the second issue- not because I thought it was the worst thing ever, but because 'why even lie about the clay thing?' stuck in my head, it was pointless to include the original just to dismiss it. A wise move in retrospect, I'd have loathed the later parts).

As for this one... I take the clay aspect as still being true, just that Zeus put in a lot more of himself than Diana was lead to believe. It wouldn't be the weirdest way Zeus has had a kid, and makes Hippolyta's approach have reason behind it. Spoiler

She lied about the part that'd directly lead Diana into running into conflict with Ares, thus giving her time to grow. The method of birth is rather secondary.

[Adam Reynolds]

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[Q99]

Huh, some hadn't been working for me but I just thought it was my browser, thanks.

[Crazedwraith]

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[Civil War Man]

I will say, that was the second best movie about a shield-bearing hero fighting in the European theater in a global war, accompanied by a rag-tag group of ethnically diverse misfits, on a mission to stop a disfigured weapons developer from using an advanced superweapon to kill a ton of people, with an American soldier named Steve played by an actor named Chris as the most prominent male character, and a climax involving trying to stop an airplane from deploying the superweapon to wipe out a major Allied city that I had ever seen. The scenes where the superpowered hero beats up an agent of the villain, but it unable to stop the agent from killing himself via poison before he can be interrogated, and where the villain uses the advanced superweapon to wipe out a group of prominent officers from their side who question their methods were particularly interesting. As was the scene where Spoiler

the character named Steve played by the actor named Chris sacrifices himself in order to stop the airplane.

For the record, I did actually like it. I just thought the parallel was rather amusing.

[Vendetta]

I will say, that was the second best movie about a shield-bearing hero fighting in the European theater in a global war, accompanied by a rag-tag group of ethnically diverse misfits, on a mission to stop a disfigured weapons developer from using an advanced superweapon to kill a ton of people, with an American soldier named Steve played by an actor named Chris as the most prominent male character, and a climax involving trying to stop an airplane from deploying the superweapon to wipe out a major Allied city that I had ever seen. The scenes where the superpowered hero beats up an agent of the villain, but it unable to stop the agent from killing himself via poison before he can be interrogated, and where the villain uses the advanced superweapon to wipe out a group of prominent officers from their side who question their methods were particularly interesting. As was the scene where Spoiler

the character named Steve played by the actor named Chris sacrifices himself in order to stop the airplane.

For the record, I did actually like it. I just thought the parallel was rather amusing.

I agree with all of that except this one was better than the other one because that one had an awkward montage and ten minutes of cutscenes from a Wolfenstein game instead of an ending.

[Civil War Man]

I agree with all of that except this one was better than the other one because that one had an awkward montage and ten minutes of cutscenes from a Wolfenstein game instead of an ending.

I actually enjoyed both movies fairly equally. It's just the whole "second best _______" shtick is funnier.

Also, WW = Captain America is a bit of an exaggeration. She's also royalty from ancient mythology who travels to the land of mortals, has some whacky hijinks centered around her lack of understanding of mortal customs, then has a grudge match against another mythological figure who manipulates mortals to do his bidding, and is also kind of a step-sibling from a certain point of view. So she's more Captain Thor-merica.

[Q99]

Actors named Chris!

[biostem]

Other than that one scene where she was training and blocked an attack with her arms crossed, how could none of the other Amazons notice just how much stronger, faster, and quicker to recover, Diana was?

[Bedlam]

Other than that one scene where she was training and blocked an attack with her arms crossed, how could none of the other Amazons notice just how much stronger, faster, and quicker to recover, Diana was?

It's possible she wasn't, it seems like her power level increases during the film. This might be some sort of psychological block or maybe some effect of being in the outside world.

[Crazedwraith]

Other than that one scene where she was training and blocked an attack with her arms crossed, how could none of the other Amazons notice just how much stronger, faster, and quicker to recover, Diana was?

It's possible she wasn't, it seems like her power level increases during the film. This might be some sort of psychological block or maybe some effect of being in the outside world.

From Robin Wright constantly telling her try harder and she was stronger and faster than that. I assumed the former.

[Ralin]

Other than that one scene where she was training and blocked an attack with her arms crossed, how could none of the other Amazons notice just how much stronger, faster, and quicker to recover, Diana was?

It's possible she wasn't, it seems like her power level increases during the film. This might be some sort of psychological block or maybe some effect of being in the outside world.

I'm not clear on how many of the other Amazons knew Diana's real origins and purpose, but given that they were trying to keep her in the dark they had every reason to either not point it out or chalk it up to her being a magic brought-to-life-from-clay-by-Zeus child. Diana knew she wasn't a normal Amazon, even if she didn't know why or how different.

[Q99]

They definitely would've noticed that she was outpacing the rest of them, and Antiope was still drilling in that Diana was too hesitant and holding back. The true degree of her strength, though, would be an unknown, and definitely something she was growing into.

Note the castle-climbing scene how her strength surprised her.

[Q99]

Business-wise, it's doing really well. It's Tuesday take was higher than the Thursday previews take (14 vs 11 mil). It opened slightly less than the other Marvel movies, but is holding so much better- at least as well as a MCU movie it seems, maybe more.

Especially if the Mummy tanks this weekend, it's not out of the question for it to have the highest take- with a budget 25 to 100 mil less.

[SolarpunkFan]

I saw this last weekend. And the film had an effect on me that no other superhero film has had to this date.

It was heartwarming.

No superhero film before now had that effect on me. Although it might just be the crap going on right now IRL makes the film feel as such.

[Solauren]

I enjoyed it immensely.

As for the Amazon's not 'cluing in' about Diana, did you not pay attention to them? They were all clearly 'holy shit' about some of the stuff she was doing in training.

[Ralin]

I enjoyed it immensely.

As for the Amazon's not 'cluing in' about Diana, did you not pay attention to them? They were all clearly 'holy shit' about some of the stuff she was doing in training.

Even if they knew she was a new demigoddess they can still be impressed when they finally see her pull something beyond the ken.

And even the origin story they told her could explain superpowers all on its own, don't forget.

On that note, if Zeus was her father...exactly how old is she?

[LadyTevar]

On that note, if Zeus was her father...exactly how old is she?

Following that logic -- how old was Hipolyta? Antiope? or any of the adult Amazons? In theory, they were all around when Ares started his rampage, and Zeus sealed off the island. How old were they then?

Assuming Ares started his rampage sometime in the Bronze Age (in Europe circa 2300 BCE), that's a good 4000yrs spend on the island. Either the island has a weird time warp, slowed their aging, or the Amazons themselves are immortal. Either way, Diana seems to have taken a good 4000yrs to mature.

[Ralin]

On that note, if Zeus was her father...exactly how old is she?

Following that logic -- how old was Hipolyta? Antiope? or any of the adult Amazons? In theory, they were all around when Ares started his rampage, and Zeus sealed off the island. How old were they then?

That occurred to me too, but Diana is the one we actually see start as a child. Meaning that either she was training for four thousand years, had an extremely long childhood or, as you say, time warp. Which is odder than just assuming the Amazons are immortal.

Or I suppose she could have had a very long gestation period for whatever reason. Just to cover all the possibilities.

EDIT: Or maybe the other Greek gods aren't as dead as the story claimed they were and Diana was conceived relatively recently.

[Lord Revan]

it wouldn't surprice me at all if time worked a bit funky in island the amazons are on, though I'll admit I've not seen the movie so I can't say for sure.

[mr friendly guy]

If there is a time warp, that means say Diana spent 20 years on the island and 4000 years passed in the outside world. Wouldn't that mean for like that for one hour on the island that Steve Trevor spent, would be equal to 200 hours the Germans were outside the field. If Trevor spent like a few hours on the island before the Germans attack, that would mean the Germans were outside for close to 2 weeks presumably searching before they entered. I think if there was a time warp, the Germans would have lost the war by the time they sent people into Themiscrya.

[Khaat]

Or, the lock was opened when it needed to be, so Diana could oppose Ares, and the island is no longer sealed in a moment. Just apply a little Doctor Who and it all makes sense....