A bunch of Nazis on Mars (RAR!)

[Solauren]

Unless the Nazi's have some SERIOUSLY advanced tech, they are a complete non-concern.

2500 people over 50 years, even if they had constant full supplies, isn't a large breeding pool. Even with the women popping out 1 baby a year each on average, they are not going to have a very large population.

They also apparently have no capacity to come back to earth. I think we'd notice a rocket launch from Mars.

So, we have a small group established by a government now considered criminal by every country that existed or has existed from 1944 onward, one a dead planet, only surviving due to alien tech, with absolutely no way to attack Earth. BUT, they everyone is going to be terrified of.

PERFECT.

The World governments could easily use the threat of 'SPACE NAZIS', who may in fact be under the command of an alien-tech alive Hitler, to ramp up space research as part of the military budget. No one is going to fight each other when SPACE HITLER could come and attack.

This will result in a new types of arms race. The tech to get to Mars before SPACE HITLER can invade Earth, and in the name of humanitym arrest SPACE HITLER for his crimes (Oh, he wasn't there? Too bad?), and capture the alien tech.

NOTHING unites people or accelerates tech development then a dangerous, over-hyped threat.

And instead of the other nations on earth, who better then Space Nazi's?

[Zor]

2500 people over 50 years, even if they had constant full supplies, isn't a large breeding pool. Even with the women popping out 1 baby a year each on average, they are not going to have a very large population.

2,500 people is their army as of 2004, not their population. They have a population of 120,000 by 2004.

Zor

[Broomstick]

They sure stuffed a lot of people through that gate back in the 1940's.

Question: is some part of that population "slave race" or is it all Aryan Nazis?

I still think they'll be pouring more of their resources into mere survival and won't have much, if any, left over for belligerence.

[Zaune]

I still think they'll be pouring more of their resources into mere survival and won't have much, if any, left over for belligerence.

When did the Nazis ever let logistical reality get in the way of their grandiose ambitions back on Earth? I somehow doubt that three-quarters of a century in a very literal vacuum will have taught them humility, especially because you'd have to be a very committed Party member and/or really desperate not to be captured alive by the Allies to volunteer for this kind of one-way trip.

Mind you... What do the younger, Martian-born generations make of all this, I wonder? Even in a perfect ideological echo-chamber there's got to be some people with a reason to dislike the status quo.

[Broomstick]

On Earth the air you breathe is free.

They must have paid attention to "logistical reality" so far just to survive. I don't care how ideologically pure the founders of this colony might have been, after 70+ years there will have been a few changes, in this case, out of sheer necessity if nothing else.

[Joun_Lord]

What changes there might be might be limited. They would probably be sacrificing much for survival, hence using weapons old enough to retire to Florida, but I think most of the sacrifice would be on the bottom rungs. The elite and the military would probably be fat and happy....ish while everyone else is practically starving slaves made to work for gruel and dirty water by propaganda saying how their sacrifice today builds a better tomorrow tomorrow and how the entire Earth is out to get them and other bullshit.

Sure younger Martians might not like it but I'm sure younger North Koreans don't like their oppressive regime. But think of how isolated North Korea is and imagine transplanting the entire population to some other planet with little air save what impossible understand alien machines can pump out and soil that is not easy to work and with no trading partners. Can't see much in the way of a popular movement against the worst parts of Nazism.

[Zor]

They sure stuffed a lot of people through that gate back in the 1940's.

Question: is some part of that population "slave race" or is it all Aryan Nazis?

There were some early on who worked the mines and setting up equipment, but once they began moving Germans to Mars a policy was adopted of rapidly 'using them up' in setting up farms over a couple of months, which included using their bodies as fertilizer. They were not included in the official count of colonists and they gave no mention of this in their broadcast.

Zor

[Solauren]

2500 people over 50 years, even if they had constant full supplies, isn't a large breeding pool. Even with the women popping out 1 baby a year each on average, they are not going to have a very large population.

2,500 people is their army as of 2004, not their population. They have a population of 120,000 by 2004.

Zor

Like I said. STILL not a large population.

[Sea Skimmer]

Yeah... three times that many people have been outright killed in the Syrian Civil War, and the Boeing company directly employs about 150,000, with god knows how many subcontractors and non integrated supply chain workers. With even modern day automation that's just not that much capability to do anything, and being on Mars where the basic requirements to support human life are much higher then on earth makes that worse.

[Simon_Jester]

Honestly, Naziism that existed in a place where there were no racial minorities to blame and purge as revenge for imagined slights, or to "make room" for fantasies of racial expansion, would probably become almost unrecognizable as Naziism.

Without an external enemy, racial identity doesn't mean very much, and Naziism is an extremely vague movement when it comes to prescribing political structures. Which is unsurprising because by and large, the entire political 'theory' consisted of Hitler coming up with new ways to say "Hitler should be in charge of everything" and constantly reorganizing his government on the fly in order to pit his advisors and ministers against each other.

So if you just threw a bunch of Nazis in a locked box for seventy years, what would come out the other side could look like anything, I think.

[Gandalf]

Arguably, the people born and raised on Mars have a legal claim to be there. No one else has claimed Mars, after all, and they've got a (presumably) viable colony there. I think they'd have to be treated as a sovereign nation, in which case in-colony slavery and what we regard as human rights violations might be legal there - but it would make them a pariah state.

Realistically, their claim on the land would last about as long as it takes for some sort of Earth "colonising force" to turn up. Surely the discovery doctrine is still on the books somewhere?

[Broomstick]

Well, yes, claiming the entire planet when they won't be able to enforce that claim just won't hold up in the real world(s), but claiming the area immediately around their colony might.

Unless, of course, a nation or nations just simply goes there are wipes them out.

[Gandalf]

Well, yes, claiming the entire planet when they won't be able to enforce that claim just won't hold up in the real world(s), but claiming the area immediately around their colony might.

Unless, of course, a nation or nations just simply goes there are wipes them out.

Indeed. Why bother settling normally when one can just "colonise" the Nazi city and grab their pre-built resources?

I'm sure someone will claim Manifest Destiny, Terra Nullius, or space spheres of influence in about half a second.

[The Romulan Republic]

Well, yes, claiming the entire planet when they won't be able to enforce that claim just won't hold up in the real world(s), but claiming the area immediately around their colony might.

Unless, of course, a nation or nations just simply goes there are wipes them out.

Off the top of my head, as already mentioned in this thread, I doubt Israel or Germany will be very open to their continued existence. Probably not Poland or Russia either. Or America, for that matter. Though only the nuclear powers will be even close to having the means to do something about it.