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Don't know, but going full speed and hitting your teammate in the side at max speed causing him to spin wildly is much more riskier than a nudge at 50kph.atg wrote:Really? Exactly how many of their incidents happened under a safety car? How many times did Hamilton or Rosberg stoop to the levels of a highway jerk road rager?
Eh, probably the same since this was just a nudge.10 second stop-go was a joke. It has set the precedent that you can lose your mind, rage out, and get a slap on the wrist. These drivers should be held to much better standards. I wonder what you'd be saying if it was Maldonado in Vettel's shoes.
We're talking about incomparable situations. Sure, most drivers have probably been involved in shunts that have caused far more damage, and plenty of them have been at fault for it, including Hamilton. Mistakes, misjudgements, and over-aggressive overtakes are not, however, remotely comparable to deliberately using one's car as a weapon for the sole purpose of striking a competitor's vehicle.Thanas wrote:Don't know, but going full speed and hitting your teammate in the side at max speed causing him to spin wildly is much more riskier than a nudge at 50kph.
Not quite - he's on nine points and gets banned at 12, so if he gets three more points next time, in Austria, he'll be banned for the British GP the week after. After that the two points he got last year will drop off.Alferd Packer wrote:He also got 3 points on his Super License, which apparently brings him 1 point away from a race ban.
I dont think it was deliberate. I think he was just being an idiot and took his hands off the wheel to gesticulate wildly after having turned in before to correct the veer left.Captain Seafort wrote:We're talking about incomparable situations. Sure, most drivers have probably been involved in shunts that have caused far more damage, and plenty of them have been at fault for it, including Hamilton. Mistakes, misjudgements, and over-aggressive overtakes are not, however, remotely comparable to deliberately using one's car as a weapon for the sole purpose of striking a competitor's vehicle.Thanas wrote:Don't know, but going full speed and hitting your teammate in the side at max speed causing him to spin wildly is much more riskier than a nudge at 50kph.
The Ferrari driver received a 10-second stop-and-go penalty, but many - Hamilton himself among them - insisted the sanction was not severe enough.
Villeneuve, who 20 years ago was involved in a notorious collision with Michael Schumacher in the 1997 title finale at Jerez, said that incident - which led to Schumacher being excluded from the championship standings - was not similar to the Baku flare-up.
“It was very different,” he told Motorsport.com. “They’re going 10mph, who cares?
"Of course it was ugly, but ultimately Lewis brake-tested him. I’m a driver, I’ve been there.
"Whenever a driver did that to me, then I would do whatever Seb did. He got a penalty, the biggest he could get, I guess, according to the new rules."
Villeneuve reckoned that Vettel did not intend to barge against Hamilton's car when he pulled alongside the Mercedes: “I don’t think he was trying to hit him. He had one hand on the wheel and was looking at him and pointing the finger.
"You don’t hit with your wheels turned like that, you will break your own car, and with one hand – if you’re going to hit someone, you have two hands on the wheel!
“That’s fine, that’s OK, that’s cool. And in a way I am happy to see that drivers have emotions. It’s good, it’s fun.
"We have the two guys fighting for the championship, getting angry with each other, and ultimately no damage was done. What’s the big issue?
"It’s great TV, it’s good to see that they’re on it. Much nicer than Lewis asking [teammate Valtteri] Bottas to slow Vettel down. I mean, that was embarrassing."
"More penalties for weaving"
Villeneuve said he was also happy to see stewards decide against a penalty for the first-lap collision between Valtteri Bottas and Kimi Raikkonen, but suggested it was an example of modern F1's inconsistent stewarding.
“At the end of the day Bottas didn’t get a penalty for running into Kimi. But at the same time the rules should allow racing and mistakes.
"I’m happy there was no penalty, but then others shouldn’t get them either. It was racing, and one just made a mistake and one ran into the other.
“But I would like to see more penalties for weaving, which we hardly ever see – that’s the big issue. In Montreal I think [Stoffel] Vandoorne did it at one point, and at least [Carlos] Sainz got a penalty.
"We see some extreme weaving and that should be penalised.
"What Bottas did, that was just poor driving, but it’s racing. What Vettel did was not nice, not sportsmanlike, but good to see.
- DR on why he drove into vettel at high speed earlier this season.“I was honestly a bit bored so I just thought let’s bang some wheels and get the crowd excited! I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t intentional, but I knew there was no harm done. A little bit of a smoke for the fans.”
Except for the part where, like the data shows, Hamilton didn't brake test at all. So basically Villeneuve being his usual idiotic self."Of course it was ugly, but ultimately Lewis brake-tested him. I’m a driver, I’ve been there.
"Whenever a driver did that to me, then I would do whatever Seb did. He got a penalty, the biggest he could get, I guess, according to the new rules."
I dunno about "obvious", I was just watching a review of the start, and it seemed that Bottas was a bit quicker than average but still legal, while Vettel was a bit slower off the mark, making the difference more conspicuous.
Dude he clearly dropped the clutch and started moving before the lights had stopped fading.SpottedKitty wrote: ↑2017-07-09 07:57pmI dunno about "obvious", I was just watching a review of the start, and it seemed that Bottas was a bit quicker than average but still legal, while Vettel was a bit slower off the mark, making the difference more conspicuous.
And then there was Kvyat playing dodgems. Verstappen's just having no luck at all this year.
Quite a finish, though, I wonder if Hamilton might have made a podium if his tyres hadn't been visibly on their last legs?
Feels to me like an echo of 2010 or 2013. One team with the (likely) better car hasn't realized that potential in points in the first half of the season.
There is also the issue of power units. I think Ferrari will have to take a penalty later on but Mercedes might be able to soldier on.
Certainly looking that way; how many times did Vettel start an overtake, then not quite manage to pull it off? And I was surprised how quickly Hamilton caught up with the other Ferrari during the final round of pit stop musical chairs.
