Queeb Salaron wrote:CmdrSweevo:
I did go on a bit of a tangent about the quality of contemporary music, but my statement about Good Charlotte still stands. They call themselves punk, and are the farthest thing from punk as is humanly possible.
And I said, "Good Charlotte are fantastic musically." How they portray themselves doesn't bother me - I enjoy their music.
I'm sure there are people out there who follow them because they're "punk" but I've never had much respect for that sheep mentality.
As for the musical quality... You're insane to think that ANY Punk music (be it true Punk, or mainstream) has any kind of redeeming musical quality. Any idiot with a guitar can play those songs. It's not the number of the chords I have a problem with, it's the redundancy of those chords.
But your problem still seems to be with the chords. It seems a daft criteria to go dismissing songs on. The implication is that there's nothing more to music than the chords it uses - that you can tell everything about a piece from a file on OLGA. And everything else that goes into the song isn't important.
Hell, Simon and Garfunkel played about a dozen chord-forms in their careers, or at least in their mainstream stuff, and that music will go down in history as some of the greatest ever. The point is that it takes little to no talent to be a punk musician. This is made evident by Averil Lavigne: Here is a girl who had never before sung Punk in her life. In fact, she didn't even have a band. Hell, she had never even gotten up in front of a crowd to sing before MTV said, "I like your LOOK. Wanna be a Punk Rock Princess?" And so a star was born, talentless like most of the rest, but nice to look at. And this is the way that Punk is portrayed: Three chords over and over again, lots of dark clothing and dyed hair, and a shitload of bracelets and armbands.
You're just attacking the image of bands again. When you can actually hear dyed hair and dark clothing in a recorded track, I might understand the problem with this.
Add in shallow lyrics and a general lack of emotion or inspiration (besides the number of zeros at the end of the record contract) and you have a musical style that is shameful and foolish.
Heh, I've never paid much attention to lyrics when listening to bands like Good Charlotte. The voice in them is just another instrument.
And like Obi-Wan said, "Who is more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows?"
Dead is the age of the prodigy, when a man with an instrument was just that: A man with a tool. He was not a musician until he was well-versed in theory and could, at the drop of the hat, provide the most complex and beautiful music that would ever be known to man.
I hear music like that regularly, from some of the various musicians I meet and Brass Band gatherings. Just because it's not on the airwaves doesn't mean it's not there.
It doesn't make the music that is there bad, either.
Never since that age has a musician produced the fury of O Fortuna, the intensity of Flight of the Bumblebee, the passion of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, the ambience of Vivaldi's Four Seasons. Never on MTV will we see musicians like John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Thelonius Monk, Nina Simone, Ella Fitzgerald, Etta James, Dizzy Gillespie, Louis Armstrong and Dave Brubeck, just to name a few. I might go so far as to say that even true Rock musicianship is dead: What happened to guitarists like Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson, Eric Clapton, Steve Vai, Kirk Hammet? Why are there no VJs on MTV claiming "This kid is the next (Stevie Ray Vaughan, Joe Cocker, Jimi Hendrix, Randy Rhodes, etc.) These men and women were all TRUE musicians in every sense of the word. Masters of their craft, figureheads of their trade. They were educated in music, technical wizards, almost as if music were their native language. And perhaps it is. Hell, I bet if you said the words "augmented triad" to any mainstream Punk musician (and maybe some non-mainstream Punks) they would look at you funny and ask if it had to do with math. Now, tell me again that you listen to Punk for its musical quality, and that I'm missing something by lumping it into a category, and I'll show you what YOU'RE missing.
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I don't listen to punk. I listen to music. And the music I listen to I consider quality music - be it
Sweden, The Last Polka, Norman Bearcroft's
The First Noel - or
Magnetic North, Counting the Days or
Motivation.