Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
You know Who? He Who Must Not Be Named?
Although personally, I prefer using Putin for Voldemort jokes. Mostly because "Lord Vladimort" just roles off the tongue.
And because the giant orange baby is not capable enough to be a dark lord. He's just the herpes on America's dick, who's only real talent is conning people.
Although personally, I prefer using Putin for Voldemort jokes. Mostly because "Lord Vladimort" just roles off the tongue.
And because the giant orange baby is not capable enough to be a dark lord. He's just the herpes on America's dick, who's only real talent is conning people.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
All that Russia crap is bullshit. If you want to nail Trump, you get him on this:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 6526959618
That's his official twitter feed, it says, and I quote,
edit: ah crap, wrong thread, can a mod please move this over to the internal policy thread?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 6526959618
That's his official twitter feed, it says, and I quote,
Trump just admitted that he knew Flynn was lying his ass off to the FBI, he then attempted to get Comey to drop the investigation on Flynn's activities, and this is a documented fact. As in we have hard proof of all the above. That's a slam dunk for Obstruction of Justice, you know, one the charges they used to run Nixon out of office. If you want Trump gone, there's your ticket.I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!
edit: ah crap, wrong thread, can a mod please move this over to the internal policy thread?
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
I believe that their was collusion with Russia, and a mounting body of evidence suggests that that is the case.
But you are right about one thing: we don't need there to be collusion with Russia to get rid of Trump. Their are any number of grounds to impeach him if we have a Congress willing to do its duty (a year from now, God willing), and to indict him.
I do expect Obstruction charges will be a big part of the final accounting, yes.
But you are right about one thing: we don't need there to be collusion with Russia to get rid of Trump. Their are any number of grounds to impeach him if we have a Congress willing to do its duty (a year from now, God willing), and to indict him.
I do expect Obstruction charges will be a big part of the final accounting, yes.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
So he's recognised jerusalem as capital of Israel which I beleive has generally not done before because of the peace process.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
If there is anything Trump is superb at, it's exacerbating global situations into further depths of clusterfuck no one has ever seen before...
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
Apparently what he did was put into effect an act signed twenty-odd years ago, as opposed to waiving it as previous presidents have done. It seems he didn't think to consider why that might be.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
I'm honestly wondering if his GOAL is global war. I'm pretty sure that's Steve Bannon's goal, at any rate.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
The peace process has been a flusterclucked farce for the last 25 years. Perhaps with it dead, real progress can be made.Crazedwraith wrote: ↑2017-12-06 01:48pm So he's recognised jerusalem as capital of Israel which I beleive has generally not done before because of the peace process.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
Not sure what "progress" that will be, or what progress towards peace would be facilitated by even more war, unless you believe that peace can only be achieved with the complete destruction of one side or the other.MKSheppard wrote: ↑2017-12-06 05:50pmThe peace process has been a flusterclucked farce for the last 25 years. Perhaps with it dead, real progress can be made.Crazedwraith wrote: ↑2017-12-06 01:48pm So he's recognised jerusalem as capital of Israel which I beleive has generally not done before because of the peace process.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
I got into a screaming argument with my Mother over this.
And yes, she pulled the "God's City" and "God's People" theme on me, and all I could do was point out that God didn't put them back in Israel, racist men who didn't want them in their countries did.
Doors got slammed and I drove away fuming.
And yes, she pulled the "God's City" and "God's People" theme on me, and all I could do was point out that God didn't put them back in Israel, racist men who didn't want them in their countries did.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
Y'all don't know who Shep is, do you?The Romulan Republic wrote: ↑2017-12-06 05:55pmNot sure what "progress" that will be, or what progress towards peace would be facilitated by even more war, unless you believe that peace can only be achieved with the complete destruction of one side or the other.MKSheppard wrote: ↑2017-12-06 05:50pm The peace process has been a flusterclucked farce for the last 25 years. Perhaps with it dead, real progress can be made.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
Oh, I do.
Doesn't mean I'm not going to point out how absurd it is to think that anything but misery will come of Trump's actions here.
Doesn't mean I'm not going to point out how absurd it is to think that anything but misery will come of Trump's actions here.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
Or anywhere for that matter.The Romulan Republic wrote: ↑2017-12-07 06:06pm Oh, I do.
Doesn't mean I'm not going to point out how absurd it is to think that anything but misery will come of Trump's actions here.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
He really is like the Anthropomorphic Personification of a flesh-eating virus, corrupting everything he touches.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
An Anonymous White House Adviser says "Trump didn't realize what he was doing."
So. Not. Surprised. Sums up his Presidency in a nutshell.
So. Not. Surprised. Sums up his Presidency in a nutshell.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
I don't believe that for a second. He knew exactly what he was doing and what the reaction would be. He wants Muslims to be pissed so he can jump on their actions as proof that everything he says about them is true. He's called for internment camps of US Muslims before, won't be long before he does it again.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
A bit like this guy.The Romulan Republic wrote: ↑2017-12-07 07:16pm He really is like the Anthropomorphic Personification of a flesh-eating virus, corrupting everything he touches.
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Not to mention that moving the embassy to Jerusalem has been US law since 1995, and every president from then has made it a campaign promise (which is then quietly forgotten).
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
The US could pass a law tomorrow saying "The United States of America, henceforth, recognizes that the entirety of the South American continent is now under its dominion as vassal subjects, with none of the rights and privileges conferred to them under United States citizenship", and it would still be just as horrible. Best left to be completely forgotten and ignored.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
That right there is arguably the single most important (and one of the most frequently forgotten) principles necessary for a free country.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
I think he simply could not understand why they are pissed. Think of him as a teenager, with a black/white understanding of the world. I think he legitimately doesn't understand why his actions can be seen as wrong. He sees all of his actions and thinking as the right approach, a "simple" way of seeing the world.Lost Soal wrote: ↑2017-12-08 03:00pmI don't believe that for a second. He knew exactly what he was doing and what the reaction would be. He wants Muslims to be pissed so he can jump on their actions as proof that everything he says about them is true. He's called for internment camps of US Muslims before, won't be long before he does it again.
I think you are giving him too much credit for what he doesn't have. Generally speaking, I think people with a rather large ego are not that complicated to explain.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
Yeah, simply saying that Trump is stupid and doesn't understand is giving him too much credit.
He's ignorant about a great many things, but he does have some PR and media savvy. He's not just a moron- he's a sociopath with designs on a dictatorship, and his actions are calculated to that end.
Though he is also a narcissist who is pathologically incapable of admitting fault.
He's ignorant about a great many things, but he does have some PR and media savvy. He's not just a moron- he's a sociopath with designs on a dictatorship, and his actions are calculated to that end.
Though he is also a narcissist who is pathologically incapable of admitting fault.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
That's if you believe he truly has an ability to craft such a calculated approach towards most, if not all of his policies. He's not an idiot, but not every of his policy needs to be a carefully calculated move towards undermining US democracy. What I am saying is that he lacks the empathy to understand others based on the worldview he has accepted. Plenty of smart people are capable of adopting such a mindset in regards to politics.The Romulan Republic wrote: ↑2017-12-10 05:53pm Yeah, simply saying that Trump is stupid and doesn't understand is giving him too much credit.
He's ignorant about a great many things, but he does have some PR and media savvy. He's not just a moron- he's a sociopath with designs on a dictatorship, and his actions are calculated to that end.
Though he is also a narcissist who is pathologically incapable of admitting fault.
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
Speaking as someone who's worked with a lot of teenagers, he's got the adolescent black/white worldview, and like quite a few adolescents has developed a powerful mix of cunning and resourcefulness when it comes to getting other people to give him what he wants.
This does not mean, necessarily, that he is capable of devising clever new strategies to exploit new situations with complex, second and third-order planning. Except in the areas where he is well-honed and experienced in. He has a form of intelligence that is very good at the handful of things it actually cares about (namely, ego-affirming ones), and not good at anything else (including long range planning)
This does not mean, necessarily, that he is capable of devising clever new strategies to exploit new situations with complex, second and third-order planning. Except in the areas where he is well-honed and experienced in. He has a form of intelligence that is very good at the handful of things it actually cares about (namely, ego-affirming ones), and not good at anything else (including long range planning)
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Re: Trump Dump: Foreign Policy (Thread I)
Probably both are true.ray245 wrote: ↑2017-12-10 07:26pmThat's if you believe he truly has an ability to craft such a calculated approach towards most, if not all of his policies. He's not an idiot, but not every of his policy needs to be a carefully calculated move towards undermining US democracy. What I am saying is that he lacks the empathy to understand others based on the worldview he has accepted. Plenty of smart people are capable of adopting such a mindset in regards to politics.The Romulan Republic wrote: ↑2017-12-10 05:53pm Yeah, simply saying that Trump is stupid and doesn't understand is giving him too much credit.
He's ignorant about a great many things, but he does have some PR and media savvy. He's not just a moron- he's a sociopath with designs on a dictatorship, and his actions are calculated to that end.
Though he is also a narcissist who is pathologically incapable of admitting fault.
No, not every single act he takes need be (or is) part of a master plan to undermine democracy- but I have yet to see convincing evidence that any major act by Donald Trump is driven by anything other than some form of selfishness. If you explained to him what altruism was, he'd probably say it was for losers.
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