Indiana considers making Sudafed a controlled substance....

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2003-03-29 03:29am

Article here :http://www.pal-item.com/news/stories/20 ... 10919.html

I already have to deal with this issue on a regular basis. I work for Wal-Mart and there are certain combinations of items that our cash registers will not sell,all are related to the Meth-amphetimine trade. Im for the Sudafed ban, but some other aspects of this legislation make me nervous

Opinions, ideas?

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-03-29 03:54am

The article's author wrote:....but retain the current law about other methamphetamine precursors that requires the presence of two or more of them before police can arrest a person.

Now where's the hysteria in that? Why, that would almost involve a little common sense!

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2003-03-29 04:03am

Frank Hipper wrote:
The article's author wrote:....but retain the current law about other methamphetamine precursors that requires the presence of two or more of them before police can arrest a person.
Now where's the hysteria in that? Why, that would almost involve a little common sense!

To my mind none , we already have to inform management when someone attempts to buy these Meth precursor items , and thay contact law enforcement and we stall till the blue boys arrive. Ususllt results in the purchaser fleeing , or suddenly rememberin a far more pressing engagement. Happens about once a week at my Wal-Mart. Rural Indiana's economy has taken a beating, and Meth is the 21st Century moonshine.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-03-29 10:09am

I'm not sure why they are going to ban it. Most of the pharmacies around here either put a limitted amount out on the shelf or have it situated so people have to ask someone behind the counter to give it to them.

Meth is a big problem in Tucson but I think the main problem with stocking sudafed is people coming in and stealing large quantitites to make meth. It's really not worth the risk of getting caught for the smaller amounts because it'll definately tip off the police that the perp is trying to make meth.

It's a little bit better if sudafed is part of a combination product but then you run into problems with boneheads making their nasty already dangerous meth with other stuff mixed in as well, like tylenol. (Toast that liver and speed up taking yourself out of the gene pool).

I do sort of question why anyone would be buying 18 boxes of sudafed but you can definately run into people that use large quantities of over the counter drugs on a regular basis. Then those kind of people hit someplace like Price Club and decide to buy a year's supply and now they look like someone who's cooking up meth at home.

Personally I don't like it when they try to ban legitamit drugs because certain people abuse them. There was an even bigger spazfest over Oxycontin because a bunch of morons were crushing up sustained released pain tablets (primarilly used by cancer patients) and snorting them. Knee-jerk government reaction was to start talking about banning the drug.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-03-29 10:15am

The store I work at had to pull Sudafed off the shelves because of high theft rates. Now, customers have to ask for it, and we won't sell it in any large amount.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-03-29 10:36am

Um....
Sudafed, as in the decongestant medcine that I take almost all the time?

Hmm....
*ponders if this may contribute to strange reactions with other meds....*

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-03-29 10:41am

And what will this law acomplish.nothing if drug dealers and addicts want it they`ll find a way.

BrYaN19kc · Post by **BrYaN19kc** » 2003-03-29 10:49am

Montcalm wrote:And what will this law acomplish.nothing if drug dealers and addicts want it they`ll find a way.

I totally agree!

I have really bad allergies that kick up in the fall and spring. I don't want to have to spend extra money having to go to the doctor just to get him to phone in a script for the stuff. Why should I have to pay more for something just to support a law that really won't do any good anyway?

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-03-29 10:51am

Well, its not really of any consequence to me....I'm in Scotland and have piles of the stuff anyway....though I do tend to go through it at quite a rate.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-29 12:22pm

Sudafed: The green and white "Sinus Pills"? 2 of them things got me high as a kite a month ago and I didn't like it a bit!! Yeesh!

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-03-29 12:27pm

BWAHAHAHA...oi vey...what?

Is next up NY-QUIL?!

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-03-29 06:46pm

The law of unintended consequences in action. Ban common, natural narcotics like cocaine and heroin, you get moonshine drugs made in labs that occasionally explode.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-03-29 06:50pm

I know....since water is used in most of these processes....even if only to clean the aparatus.....lets ban it....that'll stop 'em.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-29 06:53pm

Great, outlaw sudafed so that it becomes a black market item.

The only casualty of the War on Drugs has been personal freedom.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-03-29 07:00pm

Durandal wrote:Great, outlaw sudafed so that it becomes a black market item.

The only casualty of the War on Drugs has been personal freedom.

And some innocents, and hundreds of billions of dollars.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-03-29 07:01pm

Durandal wrote:The only casualty of the War on Drugs has been personal freedom.

Not true. Don't forget entire neighborhoods and cities consumed by drug related crime (either dealers fighting dealers or junkies committing thefts and muggings to acquire money to pay hugely inflated drug prices), hundreds of thousands of lives ruined by criminal records for victimless crimes, millions of dollars in assets siezed by unconstitutional asset forefiture laws, thousands of cops, customs agents, border patrol officers, and Coast Guardsmen killed fighting the drug trade, entire governments corrupted by drug money, terrorist networks funded by black market drug operations, and an entire fucking civil war in Colombia being paid for by cocaine. Going just by body count, the War on Drugs has been a smashing success.

EDIT: Oh, yeah, and the incalcuable opportunity costs--stuff we COULD have bought with the billions of dollars we've poured down the prohibition rat hole.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-29 07:03pm

RedImperator wrote:
Durandal wrote:The only casualty of the War on Drugs has been personal freedom.
Not true. Don't forget entire neighborhoods and cities consumed by drug related crime (either dealers fighting dealers or junkies committing thefts and muggings to acquire money to pay hugely inflated drug prices), hundreds of thousands of lives ruined by criminal records for victimless crimes, millions of dollars in assets siezed by unconstitutional asset forefiture laws, thousands of cops, customs agents, border patrol officers, and Coast Guardsmen killed fighting the drug trade, entire governments corrupted by drug money, terrorist networks funded by black market drug operations, and an entire fucking civil war in Colombia being paid for by cocaine. Going just by body count, the War on Drugs has been a smashing success.

Hm ... good point.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-03-29 07:06pm

And it will never, ever end, because as soon as any politician even makes the barest sound that indicates a general intention to end the War on Drugs, every soccer mom, far-rightwinger, and suburbanite is going to kick their asses back to the dawn of mankind.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-03-29 07:08pm

HemlockGrey wrote:And it will never, ever end, because as soon as any politician even makes the barest sound that indicates a general intention to end the War on Drugs, every soccer mom, far-rightwinger, and suburbanite is going to kick their asses back to the dawn of mankind.

Grassroots action and patience. They took down segregation with those two things, we can take down prohibition. And people our age, who are the most likely to oppose the drug war, need to get off their fucking asses and vote.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-29 07:22pm

This thread is moving into Politics forum territory.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-29 07:26pm

Durandal wrote:This thread is moving into Politics forum territory.

Exactly what I was thinking. BTW I'm all for abolishing any prohibition whatso-fucking-ever. When the hell's the last time a little marijuana hurt anyone!!? Ah yes, when they're caught with it by the cops and assraped by other prisoners while waiting for their trial!!

BrYaN19kc · Post by **BrYaN19kc** » 2003-03-29 07:38pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote: When the hell's the last time a little marijuana hurt anyone!!?

Example:

My partner and I come visit you and your partner . . . we smoke a little weed. . . then we take advantage of each other...

HEY Wait a minute! We better make marijuana legal FAST!

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-03-29 07:42pm

Medical Pot is going to become legal in MD. Our Republican governor
has said that he's gonna sign that bill

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-03-29 07:49pm

BrYaN19kc wrote:
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote: When the hell's the last time a little marijuana hurt anyone!!?
Example:

My partner and I come visit you and your partner . . . we smoke a little weed. . . then we take advantage of each other...

HEY Wait a minute! We better make marijuana legal FAST!

W0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0T!!

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-03-29 07:54pm

Ein and Bryan...please take it elsewhere. PLEASE!