Star Wars: The Last Jedi release thread (spoilers)

[Ender]

Hey folks, the point of it is not to refer to the lore to solve the puzzle and figure out who was right, or try and think your way out of the conflict.

The goal of it was to put in conflict a set of flawed character traits (embodied by Poe) against a set of flawed character traits (embodied by Holdo) and examine them in contrast. That said character traits readily map to stereotypes in the real world is what makes it commentary. The set up that puts them in conflict is after thought, that they are in conflict and how those traits interact with and against each other is what you are supposed to be watching.

So consulting the wiki to figure out "what should have happened" and "why didn't they do this" is missing the point.

[Bob the Gunslinger]

Just for those saying they liked The Last Jedi and it thought was a good movie:

Do you feel TFA was a good movie? Was it better or worse, in your view, than TLJ? Not in terms of calcs, I mean in terms of entertainment value and as an "installment in the Star Wars saga."

I personally didn't think much of both, and think this new one was worse. But I'm curious to hear what you think.

I liked TLJ and thought it was well crafted in many ways, but I,m not sure I would call it a good movie. Certainly not a good Star Wars movie.

Anyway, I hated TFA. I think TLJ is far better directed, with actual themes and visual storytelling techniques like pacing and framing shots and allowing scenes to unfold slightly more naturally. I liked the humor, even if it didn't all land. I thought Snoke was actually interesting in tpTLJ, and many of the characters seemed more human, if not bright. The fleet scenes, stupid and canon breaking though they are, were better done and more exhilarating. The throne scene had actual menace, and back-to-back light sabers needed to happen. There's a lot to like in TLJ.

[Reyvan]

What's the alternative (edit: to being eveybody vs the empire battleground)? Hoping that FO will leave you alone after they are finished with the Republic fleet?

Organising a concentrated and co-ordinated military response, siphoning off forces from system defences that are individually too weak to challenge the First Order to be used by a new armed resistance once they have become complacent and Snoke has put up a big red and black "mission accomplished" banner on his Star Destroyer and told everyone that he has won their hearts and minds now.

No no no, the obvious tactic is to have them chase you and abandon ship every time the enemy looks scary while not calling for help at all until most of your forces are killed. That and put those who question you or actually fight the enemy in the brig. It's the only way to win./sarcasm

In truth, your tactic would work, but at the cost of who knows how many planets that resist? Better to bring them to an advantageous battleground immediately, such as the nebula Necronlord mentioned and I made reference to several times.

(First off, apologies I'm doing this on an iPad so quotes might be a bit messed up)

So they jump to that nebula once they realize they're being followed, the nebula gets activated and the Raddus and maybe a couple star destroyers get crippled before the first order finishes off the Raddus, and the entire resistance is killed. Nice strategy for fighting he first order there. How do you envisioning that playing out. The only reason things worked out so well I'm rebels was that the rebels were in starfighters and a freighter that were able to hide behind the star destroyers, star destroyers that weren't even destroyed. At best the resistance is completely wiped out and maybe a couple star destroyers have to spend a few months in a drydock.

You're insistent that the resistance must be able to defeat the first order in decisive battle, and the fact that they make no attempt to during the time frame of this movie makes them idiots.

Ultimately the survival of the Raddus and its escorts aren't a big deal, the survival of the crew and resistance leadership is. Would it be ideal to save the Raddus? Yes, but sometimes you have to realize when you need to cut your losses and run so you can live to fight another day.

As to your point about the ending of the movie just showing us that all like managed to do was give the resistance a bunch of child cannon fodder, use a tiny bit of critical thinking. Clearly that scene was meant to show us that news of what Luke did managed to spread across the galaxy and is providing hope to people, using these three kids that were encountered earlier In the movie as our view point for that. My only criticism of that scene is that it was unnecessary, the movie should have ended on the falcon, the audience was perfectly capable of inferring that Luke had ignited a new spark of hope without this scene.

Now despite the fact that I'm currently defending the movie, I had many major problems with it, and I would have like to see the whole resistance side of the movie done very differently.

[NecronLord]

So consulting the wiki to figure out "what should have happened" and "why didn't they do this" is missing the point.

The film is valuable for what the audience puts in it, not just what the writer contends. Star Wars has traditionally known that; why do you think there are 'build your own lightsaber' toys for kids, and RPGs? Yes, merchandising is soulless, but from its earliest days the appeal of a wider setting with known rules has been a core part of what keeps people coming back.

[Mange]

But that leads to the question: How many ships does the First Order have?

I haven't seen it quantified, but the opening scroll implies that the First Order has a considerable military force:

The FIRST ORDER reigns.
Having decimated the peaceful
Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke
now deploys his merciless
legions to seize military
control of the galaxy.

[FaxModem1]

Hey folks, the point of it is not to refer to the lore to solve the puzzle and figure out who was right, or try and think your way out of the conflict.

The goal of it was to put in conflict a set of flawed character traits (embodied by Poe) against a set of flawed character traits (embodied by Holdo) and examine them in contrast. That said character traits readily map to stereotypes in the real world is what makes it commentary. The set up that puts them in conflict is after thought, that they are in conflict and how those traits interact with and against each other is what you are supposed to be watching.

So consulting the wiki to figure out "what should have happened" and "why didn't they do this" is missing the point.

Okay, imagine if there was an episode of, say, ER, where there's a conflict between two doctors on how to get past a door that says Pull, with one saying that they should push, and the other saying that they should pull, and it costs them the patient's life, should people who know a bit about how doors work say, 'Eh, it's about the characters', especially as one character went through that door earlier in the same episode, or should they think about how such a problem doesn't make sense and that they could have solved it in two minutes, tops?

That's the issue. It's such a glaringly obvious problem that almost anyone could have solved it.

[FaxModem1]

Organising a concentrated and co-ordinated military response, siphoning off forces from system defences that are individually too weak to challenge the First Order to be used by a new armed resistance once they have become complacent and Snoke has put up a big red and black "mission accomplished" banner on his Star Destroyer and told everyone that he has won their hearts and minds now.

No no no, the obvious tactic is to have them chase you and abandon ship every time the enemy looks scary while not calling for help at all until most of your forces are killed. That and put those who question you or actually fight the enemy in the brig. It's the only way to win./sarcasm

In truth, your tactic would work, but at the cost of who knows how many planets that resist? Better to bring them to an advantageous battleground immediately, such as the nebula Necronlord mentioned and I made reference to several times.

(First off, apologies I'm doing this on an iPad so quotes might be a bit messed up)

So they jump to that nebula once they realize they're being followed, the nebula gets activated and the Raddus and maybe a couple star destroyers get crippled before the first order finishes off the Raddus, and the entire resistance is killed. Nice strategy for fighting he first order there. How do you envisioning that playing out. The only reason things worked out so well I'm rebels was that the rebels were in starfighters and a freighter that were able to hide behind the star destroyers, star destroyers that weren't even destroyed. At best the resistance is completely wiped out and maybe a couple star destroyers have to spend a few months in a drydock.

You're insistent that the resistance must be able to defeat the first order in decisive battle, and the fact that they make no attempt to during the time frame of this movie makes them idiots.

Ultimately the survival of the Raddus and its escorts aren't a big deal, the survival of the crew and resistance leadership is. Would it be ideal to save the Raddus? Yes, but sometimes you have to realize when you need to cut your losses and run so you can live to fight another day.



Now despite the fact that I'm currently defending the movie, I had many major problems with it, and I would have like to see the whole resistance side of the movie done very differently.

My issue is that they don't immediately run to somewhere safe, and instead let themselves be shot at for about two days. A safe haven that they can fall back on, or a more strategic place to evacuate their smaller troop transports, such as the nebula, means less loss of life for them, and may only cost them the Raddus, which they may have to anyway since it's being tracked. The slow death path costs them three ships, while immediately running may only cost them one.

Edit: Dealing with the other paragraph in a separate post.

[Bob the Gunslinger]

you never see people arguing that mystery writers shouldn't have to worry about logic or rules because the story isn't really about how the detective solves the case but about how his character interacts with other characters.

[Reyvan]

My issue is that they don't immediately run to somewhere safe, and instead let themselves be shot at for about two days. A safe haven that they can fall back on, or a more strategic place to evacuate their smaller troop transports, such as the nebula, means less loss of life for them, and may only cost them the Raddus, which they may have to anyway since it's being tracked. The slow death path costs them three ships, while immediately running may only cost them one.

My contention is that there is no safe place in the galaxy for them to jump to as long as he supremacy could track them, that's the whole reason Finn and Rose were trying to disable the tracker. With it down the Raddus could make the one jump it had left to somewhere safe. As long as the tracker is active though, the Raddus would just bring an enemy fleet of overwhelming strength to any friendly point in the galaxy. I don't see a way that they could have saved any of their larger ships. I don't recall if there was any statement in the movie about whether their smaller ships were being tracked too, but I would bet they would be, in which case if they try to flee, a pair of star destroyers or so could peel off from the main fleet to track them down, or hell, 10 could if that was really a fleet of 30 that was chasing them.

Using cloaked transports really seems to have been their only option.
Maybe they could have tried that somewhere else, like the Hoth Asteroid belt, but then they'd need to have 40 Han Solo level pilots to successfully navigate the field, and I'm betting if any of them messed up and got hit by an asteroid that would have let the first order know that the transports were out there.

[FaxModem1]

As to your point about the ending of the movie just showing us that all like managed to do was give the resistance a bunch of child cannon fodder, use a tiny bit of critical thinking. Clearly that scene was meant to show us that news of what Luke did managed to spread across the galaxy and is providing hope to people, using these three kids that were encountered earlier In the movie as our view point for that. My only criticism of that scene is that it was unnecessary, the movie should have ended on the falcon, the audience was perfectly capable of inferring that Luke had ignited a new spark of hope without this scene.

Now despite the fact that I'm currently defending the movie, I had many major problems with it, and I would have like to see the whole resistance side of the movie done very differently.

Okay, with regards to the ending. We saw what their allied answer was, "No, we can't be bothered." This, combined with the 'everyone is buying weapons from the same people' revelation, was meant to show that the Resistance personnel are all on their own, and the galaxy at large are either dead, hiding away like Luke is, slaves, or partying it up in casinos.(taking this movie on it's own, and not with the rest of the franchise).

It sends a message that those who survived are either done fighting, for one reason or another, while rich people profit, and now its the new blood's time to die while the rich profit off their lost causes.

In all honesty, I was reminded of the only good scene from Starship Troopers 2: Better hurry up now, we need fresh meat for the grinder.

[FaxModem1]

My issue is that they don't immediately run to somewhere safe, and instead let themselves be shot at for about two days. A safe haven that they can fall back on, or a more strategic place to evacuate their smaller troop transports, such as the nebula, means less loss of life for them, and may only cost them the Raddus, which they may have to anyway since it's being tracked. The slow death path costs them three ships, while immediately running may only cost them one.

My contention is that there is no safe place in the galaxy for them to jump to as long as he supremacy could track them, that's the whole reason Finn and Rose were trying to disable the tracker. With it down the Raddus could make the one jump it had left to somewhere safe. As long as the tracker is active though, the Raddus would just bring an enemy fleet of overwhelming strength to any friendly point in the galaxy. I don't see a way that they could have saved any of their larger ships. I don't recall if there was any statement in the movie about whether their smaller ships were being tracked too, but I would bet they would be, in which case if they try to flee, a pair of star destroyers or so could peel off from the main fleet to track them down, or hell, 10 could if that was really a fleet of 30 that was chasing them.

Using cloaked transports really seems to have been their only option.
Maybe they could have tried that somewhere else, like the Hoth Asteroid belt, but then they'd need to have 40 Han Solo level pilots to successfully navigate the field, and I'm betting if any of them messed up and got hit by an asteroid that would have let the first order know that the transports were out there.

If that is the case, and what the movie is really pointing to, then my Starship Troopers 2 comparison seems rather apt.

However, more realistically, if it's only a couple days after Starkiller base went boom, there are plenty of places to go and have someone watching your back.

[Vendetta]

In truth, your tactic would work, but at the cost of who knows how many planets that resist? Better to bring them to an advantageous battleground immediately, such as the nebula Necronlord mentioned and I made reference to several times.

You don't get it do you?

EU material doesn't exist in the movies, there is no more advantageous battleground. There's nowhere to go that has a military force that can help the Resistance, and they cannot escape with their heavy ships because those are being tracked.

The First Order has won round one, the resistance has to act like an actual resistance force now, not trying to give open battle but attacking by surprise in ambush and raids, they have to stop thinking they're the US Eighth Army and start being the Viet Cong now.

[Reyvan]

As to your point about the ending of the movie just showing us that all like managed to do was give the resistance a bunch of child cannon fodder, use a tiny bit of critical thinking. Clearly that scene was meant to show us that news of what Luke did managed to spread across the galaxy and is providing hope to people, using these three kids that were encountered earlier In the movie as our view point for that. My only criticism of that scene is that it was unnecessary, the movie should have ended on the falcon, the audience was perfectly capable of inferring that Luke had ignited a new spark of hope without this scene.

Now despite the fact that I'm currently defending the movie, I had many major problems with it, and I would have like to see the whole resistance side of the movie done very differently.

Okay, with regards to the ending. We saw what their allied answer was, "No, we can't be bothered." This, combined with the 'everyone is buying weapons from the same people' revelation, was meant to show that the Resistance personnel are all on their own, and the galaxy at large are either dead, hiding away like Luke is, slaves, or partying it up in casinos.(taking this movie on it's own, and not with the rest of the franchise).

It sends a message that those who survived are either done fighting, for one reason or another, while rich people profit, and now its the new blood's time to die while the rich profit off their lost causes.

In all honesty, I was reminded of the only good scene from Starship Troopers 2: Better hurry up now, we need fresh meat for the grinder.

We saw what the allied response was before Luke's stand. No one wanted to come and help the resistance fight a losing battle, but Luke shows that the First Order can still be stood up to and defied, and he makes a fool out of the first orders new leader. It may be that it just did not work for you, but I thought it was pretty clear that there was just a lack of hope following the Starkiller attack, and it needed to be reignited by Luke.

I mean episode 9 is probably not gonna go "sorry, turns out no one wants to stand up against the first order, you guys in the falcon are on your own"

As for the casino and arms dealers, I think that was a critique of how the capitalistic economic system would lead to endless war as long as that's profitable, and that for the cycle of violence that started with the clone wars to truly end, there'll have to be more to a resistance victory than just a restoration of the republic.

Now to see if J.J Abrams will go through with the resistance forming the Galactic Socialist Republic at the end of episode 9. I think maybe that's a bit further than rain intended, but I think he was (awkwardly) trying to make the point that you have to do more than just blow up the other guy, you have to address the underlying problems that made the conflict happen in the first place.

[Reyvan]

If that is the case, and what the movie is really pointing to, then my Starship Troopers 2 comparison seems rather apt.

However, more realistically, if it's only a couple days after Starkiller base went boom, there are plenty of places to go and have someone watching your back.

I don't see how thats relevant considering they don't need someone to watch their back, they need someone with who has a large enough fleet concentrated in one place that it could destroy the supremacy and 30 supporting star destroyers. It's almost like the only force capable of doing that was just destroyed in the last movie.

[FaxModem1]

If that is the case, and what the movie is really pointing to, then my Starship Troopers 2 comparison seems rather apt.

However, more realistically, if it's only a couple days after Starkiller base went boom, there are plenty of places to go and have someone watching your back.

I don't see how thats relevant considering they don't need someone to watch their back, they need someone with who has a large enough fleet concentrated in one place that it could destroy the supremacy and 30 supporting star destroyers. It's almost like the only force capable of doing that was just destroyed in the last movie.

Again, a fleet commanded by a moron, who lost ships to fighter wings and bombers. It's been about 60 years, Naboo should have enough fighters to even the odds by now.

And if they actually need a good fleet, better to make it at somewhere that survived the Starkiller attack and hold up there, as I mentioned earlier. Fondor, Toydaria, Mandalore, Corellia, wherever they could take the FO's small fleet. Or at least somewhere where it WOULDN'T be giving up the entire fleet in their fighting retreat, but simply the Raddus. At no point do they consider sacrificing the Raddus while they hide somewhere and fill up the other ships.

Again, they don't have to fight the First Order to the death if they don't have to, but nor do they have to let themselves be so easily destroyed because no one considers immediately finding a good hiding spot that will take the FO fleet a while to find, even with tracking.

[evillejedi]

Overall I am 50% liking the movie and 50% finding its dumb flaws to take away from its redeeming parts, a few scene cuts and some very minor editing and FX work would have gone a long way. I'm willing to ignore a lot of minor things

+++ everything with Luke, Yoda, Kylo
+++ VIsuals
+ Porgs
- Snoke needed an explanation to convince me that Luke felt Ben was too far gone, How did he get to Ben? Why does everyone know him, but we as the audience don't (and honestly if the answer is "it isn't important" then remove all of his scenes, Kylo could have fallen on his own and teamed up with some imperials)
- Rey needs some conflict to be interesting, I have no idea what Episode IX will be about now
- Leia superman, I don't mind the concept, the effect was shot poorly
- main chase plot just had no tension and was in universe and out of universe dumbly executed.
-- Rose's Character's special ability was the "Power of Hope" rather than to be practically useful, for a tech she didn't actually do anything.
--- Casino scenes were bad, nothing was accomplished, it was like asking a 2 year old to make dinner. this could've been a lot more interesting and world building...



I think the most infuriating thing is (something something Interdictors....) .... that the BSG episode "33" did this plot line SOOO much better, a simple fix would be to just have them micro jump every scene switch, then at least fuel could be used as a "distance" limit giving a limited number of hops (even though jumping at all is probably more fuel intensive....) The tension would be kept up because before each jump more damage or ships would be lost (draw in some turbolaser fire at distance), launching ties would be less of an issue since that would delay following the resistance ships, disabling the tracking would be more important (even though the side quest is poorly executed, it would at least have a purpose) When they jump to the random planet with the rebel base, the plan could be to jump in, launch the transports and then jump out immediately when the first order ships show up, except some sort of failure prevents it from being successful.
Admiral Ackbar should have been pulled out the med bay near death to sacrifice the Raddus and then at least have someone on the First order ships yell "It's a trap"


It wouldn't be as necessary with the microjumps fix above, but I think it has been said, but Holdo should have been a traitor, have her be the beacon for the hyperspace tracking, as the audience we were given no reason to sympathize with the character other than a throwaway line to say that she had any history with Leia. Her actions coupled with the slicers noticing the transports could lead to the plan being unraveled and forcing Ackbar to sacrifice rather than just leave.

Snoke needed one line saying "when I did X during the Empire/Clone Wars... while I bidded my time...etc" I look forward to Luke and Snoke being on Kylo's shoulder nagging him in the next movie.

still doesn't fix the stupid bombers.... If you wanted to go retro-future give them big honking torpedoes and call it a TORA TORA TORA homage, they were actually moving slower over the Dreadnought than highway speeds.


Another thing that occurred to me, is that Rey should be an incredibly damaged person, she was essentially abandoned and had to fend for her self with probably no positive social interaction for a decade, instead of being naive to the point of trusting everyone like a newborn puppy, she should be trusting absolutely no one other than herself and using the force unconsciously to survive. As it stands right now, the only internal conflict she has is inexperience. Her class should be Feral Force Bezerker. This would give her a personal conflict to overcome (trust no one) and give her a disadvantage which would better explain the raw feats of force strength (lack of control, nuance, indifference to light or dark)

If the Resistance is nothing more than the Millenium Falcon, is Rey going to read the Ancient Jedi books, go into a battle mediation and use a force storm to start throwing First Order ships into each other? (I wouldn't mind the visuals)

In regards to the military Industrial Complex, it's unfortunate that the Darth Plagueis Novel got cut from Canon, the creation of tension, build up of arms, corruption, and greed was essentially the SIth Plot to keep the Jedi and Republic scattered and ineffective and would have fit in the whole Snoke = Dark Plagueis theory.

[NecronLord]

There are things that are too fannish/memey, and one of them is getting Ackbar to yell 'It's a trap'

[Reyvan]

If that is the case, and what the movie is really pointing to, then my Starship Troopers 2 comparison seems rather apt.

However, more realistically, if it's only a couple days after Starkiller base went boom, there are plenty of places to go and have someone watching your back.

I don't see how thats relevant considering they don't need someone to watch their back, they need someone with who has a large enough fleet concentrated in one place that it could destroy the supremacy and 30 supporting star destroyers. It's almost like the only force capable of doing that was just destroyed in the last movie.

Again, a fleet commanded by a moron, who lost ships to fighter wings and bombers. It's been about 60 years, Naboo should have enough fighters to even the odds by now.

And if they actually need a good fleet, better to make it at somewhere that survived the Starkiller attack and hold up there, as I mentioned earlier. Fondor, Toydaria, Mandalore, Corellia, wherever they could take the FO's small fleet. Or at least somewhere where it WOULDN'T be giving up the entire fleet in their fighting retreat, but simply the Raddus. At no point do they consider sacrificing the Raddus while they hide somewhere and fill up the other ships.

Again, they don't have to fight the First Order to the death if they don't have to, but nor do they have to let themselves be so easily destroyed because no one considers immediately finding a good hiding spot that will take the FO fleet a while to find, even with tracking.

If they jump to any of those planets they'd end up losing a lot more than just the Raddus+escorts. Say they jump to Corellia, and Corellia has 15 of their own star destroyers (which is way more than I'd personally expect them to have). They engage the supremacy and its fleet in combat and lose a couple of those star destroyers and the Raddus before retreating, but hey, at least they manage to save those three escort ships. Except now the the retreating fleet is being tracked too, either individually or en-masse.

Again, sacrificing the Raddus and three escorts so that the restance can survive to rally others is a better option than running to an allied world who's fleet will just get destroyed in a straight engagement. There is nowhere to hide, because no matter where they go, the supremacy will arrive minutes later. The only way to survive is to somehow shake them, which is what Holdo's plan was.

As for Hux being a moron, yes he did lose that dreadnaught due to insufficient fighter support, and I'd contend it's a mistake he wouldn't make again. In all the scenes close to the supremacy we see multiple TIEs flying around it. So I would contend he's safeguarding against another attempt. Poe struggled to take down even one gun once the fighters were out. Yes Hux is a moron, but I don't think he's enough of a moron to lose an entire fleet of that size.

[Vendetta]

And if they actually need a good fleet, better to make it at somewhere that survived the Starkiller attack and hold up there, as I mentioned earlier. Fondor, Toydaria, Mandalore, Corellia, wherever they could take the FO's small fleet.

What, in the Star Wars movies gives you the impression that those places are military centres?

Oh right, fucking nothing because none of them have ever been so much as mentioned in the movies.

[FaxModem1]

In truth, your tactic would work, but at the cost of who knows how many planets that resist? Better to bring them to an advantageous battleground immediately, such as the nebula Necronlord mentioned and I made reference to several times.

You don't get it do you?

EU material doesn't exist in the movies, there is no more advantageous battleground. There's nowhere to go that has a military force that can help the Resistance, and they cannot escape with their heavy ships because those are being tracked.

The First Order has won round one, the resistance has to act like an actual resistance force now, not trying to give open battle but attacking by surprise in ambush and raids, they have to stop thinking they're the US Eighth Army and start being the Viet Cong now.

But the other movies exist, yes? Even if you are trying to say that everything that isn't a film isn't Canon, the previous films have shown how to hide from a pursuing enemy while being tracked. You don't just go in a straight line and make it easy for the enemy. And that there are a lot of ships out there that could help. At least more than the three they have.

And again, they can go to a hiding place to buy time for their ships, yes? They could even scatter immediately and give the First Order 40 different directions to track. Or change their hyperdrive signature or whatever bullshit technobabble solution to the First Order's technobabble solution.

Anything is better than wait to die and hope you can sneak by with crappy cloaking devices that aren't worth anything if the enemy scans the area.

Don't you get it yet? Holdo's plan wasn't going to work, idiot Poe or not.

[Vendetta]

But the other movies exist, yes? Even if you are trying to say that everything that isn't a film isn't Canon, the previous films have shown how to hide from a pursuing enemy while being tracked. You don't just go in a straight line and make it easy for the enemy. And that there are a lot of ships out there that could help. At least more than the three they have.

No, no they have not, because there has never been this kind of tracking shown in the films before, only tracking by means of beacons placed on a ship and that has not been evaded (that's the plot of the first film, remember).

And again, they can go to a hiding place to buy time for their ships, yes? They could even scatter immediately and give the First Order 40 different directions to track. Or change their hyperdrive signature or whatever bullshit technobabble solution to the First Order's technobabble solution.

What hiding place? Where the fuck do you think they're going to hide a mile long spaceship whilst the First Order is literally watching them all the time.

They can't scatter in 40 different directions with three surviving hyperspace capable ships (if the transports had hyperdrives they could have used them, and the starfighters were all destroyed), and one of the three ships is guaranteed to be destroyed even if they can't all be tracked, and it's almost certainly going to be the cruiser so that's an immediate writeoff under your "scatter" plan.

Anything is better than wait to die and hope you can sneak by with crappy cloaking devices that aren't worth anything if the enemy scans the area.

100% of all other solutions you propose involve dying immediately.

[Knife]

You don't get it Vendetta.

Either you are right and there is no where to go a few hours after the FO nuked the Republic capital, which is dumb since in essence the Republic still stands, still has bases, still has territory, still should have some military some where that would now love to be Resistance fighters after Hosin; which is a huge plot hole.

Or, you're wrong and there are plenty of places to jump to and Admiral dumb ass has a shit plan solely for plot contrivance.

The situation the writers made happen is flawed and had no foresight into it, or didn't listen to anyone if they ever brought up the problem.

The FO had to hide and do a sneak attack to 'wipe out the Republic'. If they were so powerful they could steam roll the Republic in hours, then they didn't need Starkiller base and it becomes dumb, but so does the Resistance because they are small and insignificant to oppose them and it would take the Republic.

TLJ has major problems set up in TFA. Maybe you can blame TFA, but TLJ did come second with these known things that already happened.

[Galvatron]

Let's not forget that the old Rebel Alliance never found refuge on worlds that were sympathetic to them either. Even if they were heavily defended, the rebels may have surmised that hiding under Mon Cal's planetary shield wouldn't protect them forever and would eventually doom the entire populace to death by either fire or starvation.

With the First Order on the ascension, the Resistance may have simply followed the same line of reasoning and decided that heading to any civilized world of the Republic would be nothing but a death sentence for them.

[FaxModem1]

Let's not forget that the old Rebel Alliance never found refuge on worlds that were sympathetic to them either. Even if they were heavily defended, the rebels may have surmised that hiding under Mon Cal's planetary shield wouldn't protect them forever and would eventually doom the entire populace to death by either fire or starvation.

With the First Order on the ascension, the Resistance may have simply followed the same line of reasoning and decided that heading to any civilized world of the Republic would be nothing but a death sentence for them.

True, but since it's open war between the Republic and the First Order, there's really little to lose by taking in the Resistance's fleet and fighting the First Order openly.

[Galvatron]

Open war? "The First Order reigns" sounds to me like what was left of the Republic already capitulated to Snoke's rule. Hell, it's possible that the allies the Resistance summoned were already neutralized, either because they were destroyed or they surrendered under threat of total annihilation.

Either way, it wouldn't surprise me if the major worlds of the Republic would have been hard-pressed to simply defend themselves, much less wage a counter-offensive. In light of what had just happened to the Hosnian system, I imagine that most of them decided that survival was a higher priority than revenge.