Sea Skimmer wrote: ↑2018-03-05 12:04am
Depends what tactics you mean, Ashoka fought in a major conventional war, irregular operations during that war and then took part in a Galactic wide insurgency. Also she fought Darth Vader without loosing any limbs. Canon Luke's military experience is a lot more limited, and even in the old EU he was generally not on the front line or a major command role. The only thing Luke has going for him in an absolute sense is the chosen one blood thing as I see it, and he screwed that up in the end.
Given that she was wise enough to leave the jedi order I can't see any scenario where she accepts teaching or title from someone that junior to herself. A consultant, maybe. But I think she'd be more then a little timid about being involved with a minimally trained Vader blooded Jedi trying to recreate an order she herself knew was corrupted.
It depends on the specifics of Luke's order, yeah. She had damn good reasons for walking away from the Old Republic Jedi, and that might well bias her against any other incarnations of the Order. But a new Jedi Order founded on different principles and with different leadership? Hard to say.
I doubt she'd outright join, though, after becoming accustomed to operating independently.
Galvatron wrote: ↑2018-03-05 12:12pm
Given the timeless nature of the realm in which she was last seen, mid-30s Ahsoka could conceivably emerge at some point be the new protagonist for whatever movies Disney has planned beyond the first nine.
Yeah.
I wonder if elevating a supporting character from a cartoon in that way would cause a fan backlash though. Probably from older fans, but not younger ones.
Knife wrote: ↑2018-03-05 12:07pmAye that's part of the universes universal appeal too. You have all this fast-high tech stuff going on, but also this infinite cowboy-dark forest-wild lands thing going on, all one hyper jump apart.
Isn't that the appeal of space opera in general? But Star Wars does it particularly well.
Once Ahsoka left the jedi order the only way her location would be known if is someone was physically trailing her the whole way. Which wouldn't be impossible but would serve no clear purpose.
True.
My point in saying that Ashoka's existence is implausible isn't that you can't come up with explanations for it. Just that if you had told me right after RotS that Anakin had a kid padawan during the Clone Wars who we never saw, who would go on to survive until at least the New Hope era... well, without knowing the context that's been developed over the last ten years or so (Christ, has it been that long since the Clone Wars movie came out?), I probably would have thought it ridiculous. I mean, I had a lot of doubts about Ashoka when the character was first created.
Order 66 needed to eliminate the threat to Palpatine's new regime in a military sense and a political sense. The former by killing any Jedi strong enough to kill Palpatine personally, which doesn't seem to have been many of them, and secure control of at least the large majority of the clone armies. The later political move is just coup 101, you need to prevent an alternative narrative from being spread. Again that really only required killing the most important and well known Jedi. Total eradication would be desirable for the Sith, but not essential to the plan, and once Palpatine took power he'd have an enormous job consolidating . Which after all in canon didn't actually finished until A New Hope when the senate is abolished.
Hunting down half trained jedi whom it might be feasible to make Sith Lords (speculatively, but relevant) later to replace Anakin might not be that high a priority. Keeping order 66 secret would be more important then ensuring a 100% kill rate (I still hate that biochip episode of clone wars for making the jedi dumber then bricks, instead of just overconfident). Plus it's kinda part of the point of the Sith that they are angry and shortsighted!
Yeah, I don't think Palpatine would have given a shit about Ashoka if she'd just gone to live on a random dustball and not tried to help the Rebellion.
Indeed. Palpatine had to kill the Jedi Order, not all the Jedi. The novel, I do believe though maybe it was old EU, made a reference to some Jedi who just stopped being Jedi. Of course, part of killing the Order is killing off the leadership. Even then Kenobi and Yoda just disappeared, in the long run it would be about the same. They didn't stick around and make holo calls to GNN about how their order was murdered, how they were persecuted by government forces, etc...
But was we saw, one Jedi in the right place at the right time can restart the Order.
As for the Luke teaching Asoka, what is he going to teach her? He is the "chosen one" in so much that he was the right person, in the right place, at the right time, and MADE the right choice. TLJ pretty much obliterates any other thing he could have been. He's just the guy who could redeem Vader instead of kill him, Vader was the guy who could kill Palpatine without Palpy seeing it coming. It was Good winning by doing good things.
Pretty much, although I do think that Luke's last stand would pass into galactic legend as a nice coda to his legacy.
But as to what he could teach Ashoka...
Pretty much nothing about a combat, or combative uses of the Force. Ashoka knows that backwards and forwards.
Probably not much about resisting the Dark Side, either.
I do think it would be interesting for them to compare methods. Ashoka is more combative, even vengeful at times, though not to the point of being Dark Side. Luke is almost pacifistic in his approach as a Jedi, avoiding direct conflict and instead manipulating his opponents' psychological weaknesses. He showed this at both Endor and the duel with Kylo. There's a reason I've come to regard the character as almost a Light Side counterpart of Palpatine.
The only specific technique I can see Luke teaching Ashoka would be turning into a Force ghost (since I don't think Ashoka would have the strength in the Force for the long-range illusion stuff).
Asoka already learned this lesson. Asoka stepped down from a very powerful position as Anakin's Padawan, left a very powerful institution because they were wrong. She didn't do a corrupt thing to stay in power, she rejected power and prestige for the good of it. Perhaps not the galaxy spanning implications of her Master and his kid's choice, but still Good by doing good. Let alone she was willing to sacrifice herself to save Ezra and sacrifice herself to try to save Vader. You might even say her emotional shock to Vader in her fight with him might have shaken Anakin somewhat, making him more emotionally vulnerable to Luke.
Indeed.
Galvatron wrote: ↑2018-03-05 05:33amAhsoka also has the benefit of being wildly popular with the younger generation of Star Wars fans, which is something that Disney seems to treasure like gold. She even won over a lot of older, cynical fans after a rocky start in the Clone Wars movie so I doubt you'd see very much backlash against her.
They just need to get the casting right and make sure she's handled well, which Filoni would nail.
Speaking as someone who had a lot of misgivings about Ashoka initially, but grew to love the character, I think a lot of it (for me at least) is simply that I came in with very low expectations, and was pleasantly surprised. Ashoka is a character who by all rights shouldn't have worked, but did.
Its interesting, because every major new Star Wars project from RotJ onwards has gotten some significant degree, at one level or another, of fan backlash. Usually that hostility dies down somewhat over time, and the new material is, if not loved, at least accepted (and I do think most of the Disney canon probably will be, in time).
But Ashoka is probably the canon's most triumphant example of a character rapidly overcoming fan backlash to the point that they are positively well-liked by the fandom as a whole. I remember when Ashoka was first created, there were a lot of concerns about her not fitting in with the canon, about making Star Wars too much for little kids... pretty sure she even got called a Mary Sue, and not surprisingly, given that she was basically a female OC being retconned into a pivitol role in the saga, with a level of competency that surpassed what might be expected of someone her age (I remember complaints about her surviving against Grievous and Ventress, for example).
And yet, somehow, none of it stuck, and they managed to develop the character into an accepted and even beloved addition to the franchise, to the point that she may very well be the most popular EU character (possibly excluding Thrawn) who hasn't been retconned out of canon. Certainly in the top echelon of EU characters, I'd think, along with Thrawn, Ventress, Grievous (who got promoted to film), Revan, and Mara Jade.
I'm curious as to why that's the case, and I daresay Disney and Lucasfilm will want to emulate that success if they can.
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