KraytKing wrote: ↑2018-11-30 12:02pmI was going to pick it apart, but I came to a realization while typing: this might be total passive-aggression. All the things he enumerated as great can easily be applied to the least popular parts of the film. Challenging -- the whole "war is business" thing. Humor -- way too much of it, it's becoming like the Avengers. Surprising -- too many too count.
Or maybe he had a genuine change of heart at some point? As I said, actors often clash with directors. Sometimes it gets smoothed over, and everyone is satisfied with the final product. Sometimes it doesn't. Sure, there's no way to know for sure what Hamill thinks, because we're not Jedi and can't read peoples' emotions with the Force- but that doesn't change the fact that people are basically assuming/insisting that Hamill was telling the truth only when he said what they want to hear. Which is frankly insulting to Hamill.
Hell, even to me I sound like a conspiracy theorist. I don't much care what Hamill has to say. It sounds like bullshit to me, but if it doesn't to you, that's fine. It was a shit movie. I don't need Hamill to tell me that, and everyone who thinks it was good is too entrenched in their positions to have thir minds changed by what he has to say.
It seems awfully arrogant and hypocritical of you to say effectively that anyone who disagrees with you is just narrow-minded and stubborn.
The Union didn't leave the South totally unoccupied, free to rebuild its military and produce WMDs while it completely gutted its own military. While the two are roughly analogous, the similarity breaks down on closer inspection.
No, the Union did something worse- it welcomed the old guard of Southern politics back into the highest levels of the national power structure with open arms. What happened post-Civil War was like if the NR had, twenty years or so after Endor, welcomed the Galactic Empire back into its government with open arms.
Well, most obviously, Star Wars is a massively stylized space opera, and shouldn't necessarily be held to the political standards of our world. But, of course, that has other implications. So we'll discount that.
Well, we kind of have to. Because if the argument is "its stylized space opera, so it doesn't need to make sense", analyzing it is pointless and this whole conversation might as well end.
North Korea could not challenge the US in a fight. It's arguable that even a first strike scenario with nuclear weapons could be averted. The time to finish the job was in 1953. The US should have unified Korea and destroyed its enemy. Regardless, it's a different political scenario. Star Wars was under a single, centralized government for twenty millenia before it broke apart in civil war. The NR has a precedent in that the two were once one, so in that respect it is similar to your earlier Civil War example.
True, and that just underscores the difficulty of convincing a war weary public who fears authoritarian overreach to continue supporting further war- even if it's in their best interest long-term to do so.
But I miss my point. Earlier, you were complaining about how the heroes were always the "hard men who make hard decisions." But what you're saying here is that it WAS a hard decision, and the right one, but it wasn't what all the people wanted, so weak people made the easy decision. Pick a side.
Hmm.
Fighting the Empire/FO to the bitter end might have been the theoretical "right" decision to make, with the benefit of hindsight. But real people aren't tactical computers, nor should they be. And nor should fictional characters, for the most part.
Huh. I suppose I imagined the dozens of Rebel capital ships floating around in ROTJ, since they were a insurgent state that had no funding from anyone, and therefore surely could not have amassed such a force.
My point is that the NR had a major capital ship fleet (and probably a lot more ships in other systems we didn't see, realistically). Ergo, it did not fully disarm.
If the NR has warships, why in the name of God are the floating around when there is the First Order to fight? It once more raises the question of why the NR plays such a tiny role. The answer: because the writers of the ST don't care about worldbuilding, they just want to do Star Wars again and bigger.
Why does any country hesitate to go to war? Because the political will/public support to do it isn't there.
The NR should have played a larger role, but again: blame the Prequel bashers. They whined about the "boring politics". They got what they wanted. It sucked. Now they whine about the sainted OT heroes being people instead of tactical computers. I'm sure the next trilogy will be nothing but an endless parade of HARD MAN PRAGMATISTS. And it will suck.
"I know its easy to be defeatist here because nothing has seemingly reigned Trump in so far. But I will say this: every asshole succeeds until finally, they don't. Again, 18 months before he resigned, Nixon had a sky-high approval rating of 67%. Harvey Weinstein was winning Oscars until one day, he definitely wasn't."-John Oliver
"The greatest enemy of a good plan is the dream of a perfect plan."-General Von Clauswitz, describing my opinion of Bernie or Busters and third partiers in a nutshell.
I SUPPORT A NATIONAL GENERAL STRIKE TO REMOVE TRUMP FROM OFFICE.
Way to walk back that appeal to authority.
