To the surprise of absolutely no one. I've never known anyone to take four hundred pages to say nothing was wrong.Some on Mueller’s Team See Their Findings as More Damaging for Trump Than Barr Revealed
By Nicholas Fandos, Michael S. Schmidt and Mark Mazzetti
April 3, 2019
WASHINGTON — Some of Robert S. Mueller III’s investigators have told associates that Attorney General William P. Barr failed to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry and that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. Barr indicated, according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations.
At stake in the dispute — the first evidence of tension between Mr. Barr and the special counsel’s office — is who shapes the public’s initial understanding of one of the most consequential government investigations in American history. Some members of Mr. Mueller’s team are concerned that, because Mr. Barr created the first narrative of the special counsel’s findings, Americans’ views will have hardened before the investigation’s conclusions become public.
Mr. Barr has said he will move quickly to release the nearly 400-page report but needs time to scrub out confidential information. The special counsel’s investigators had already written multiple summaries of the report, and some team members believe that Mr. Barr should have included more of their material in the four-page letter he wrote on March 24 laying out their main conclusions, according to government officials familiar with the investigation. Mr. Barr only briefly cited the special counsel’s work in his letter.
However, the special counsel’s office never asked Mr. Barr to release the summaries soon after he received the report, a person familiar with the investigation said. And the Justice Department quickly determined that the summaries contain sensitive information, like classified material, secret grand-jury testimony and information related to current federal investigations that must remain confidential, according to two government officials.
Mr. Barr was also wary of departing from Justice Department practice not to disclose derogatory details in closing an investigation, according to two government officials familiar with Mr. Barr’s thinking. They pointed to the decision by James B. Comey, the former F.B.I. director, to harshly criticize Hillary Clinton in 2016 while announcing that he was recommending no charges in the inquiry into her email practices.
The officials and others interviewed declined to flesh out why some of the special counsel’s investigators viewed their findings as potentially more damaging for the president than Mr. Barr explained, although the report is believed to examine Mr. Trump’s efforts to thwart the investigation. It was unclear how much discussion Mr. Mueller and his investigators had with senior Justice Department officials about how their findings would be made public. It was also unclear how widespread the vexation is among the special counsel team, which included 19 lawyers, about 40 F.B.I. agents and other personnel.
At the same time, Mr. Barr and his advisers have expressed their own frustrations about Mr. Mueller and his team. Mr. Barr and other Justice Department officials believe the special counsel’s investigators fell short of their task by declining to decide whether Mr. Trump illegally obstructed the inquiry, according to the two government officials. After Mr. Mueller made no judgment on the obstruction matter, Mr. Barr stepped in to declare that he had cleared Mr. Trump of wrongdoing.
Representatives for the Justice Department and the special counsel declined to comment on Wednesday on views inside both Mr. Mueller’s office and the Justice Department. They pointed to departmental regulations requiring Mr. Mueller to file a confidential report to the attorney general detailing prosecution decisions and to Mr. Barr’s separate vow to send a redacted version of that report to Congress. Under the regulations, Mr. Barr can publicly release as much of the document as he deems appropriate.
A debate over how the special counsel’s conclusions are represented has played out in public as well as in recent weeks, with Democrats in Congress accusing Mr. Barr of intervening to color the outcome of the investigation in the president’s favor.
In his letter to Congress outlining the report’s chief conclusions, Mr. Barr said that Mr. Mueller found no conspiracy between Mr. Trump’s campaign and Russia’s 2016 election interference. While Mr. Mueller made no decision on his other main question, whether the president illegally obstructed the inquiry, he explicitly stopped short of exonerating Mr. Trump.
Mr. Mueller’s decision to skip a prosecutorial judgment “leaves it to the attorney general to determine whether the conduct described in the report constitutes a crime,” Mr. Barr wrote. He and his deputy, Rod J. Rosenstein, decided that the evidence was insufficient to conclude that Mr. Trump had committed an obstruction offense.
Mr. Barr has come under criticism for sharing so little. But according to officials familiar with the attorney general’s thinking, he and his aides limited the details they revealed because they were worried about wading into political territory. Mr. Barr and his advisers expressed concern that if they included derogatory information about Mr. Trump while clearing him, they would face a storm of criticism like what Mr. Comey endured in the Clinton investigation.
Legal experts attacked Mr. Comey at the time for violating Justice Department practice to keep confidential any negative information about anyone uncovered during investigations. The practice exists to keep from unfairly sullying people’s reputations without giving them a chance to respond in court.
Mr. Rosenstein cited the handling of the Clinton case in a memo the White House used to rationalize Mr. Trump’s firing of Mr. Comey.
Though it was not clear what findings the special counsel’s investigators viewed as troubling for the president, Mr. Barr has suggested that Mr. Mueller may have found evidence of malfeasance in investigating possible obstruction of justice. “The report sets out evidence on both sides of the question,” Mr. Barr wrote in his March 24 letter.
Mr. Mueller examined Mr. Trump’s attempts to maintain control over the investigation, including his firing of Mr. Comey and his attempt to oust Mr. Mueller and Attorney General Jeff Sessions to install a loyalist to oversee the inquiry.
The fallout from Mr. Barr’s letter outlining the Russia investigation’s main findings overshadowed his intent to make public as much of the entire report as possible, a goal he has stressed since his confirmation hearing in January. He reiterated to lawmakers on Friday that he wanted both Congress and the public to read the report and said that the department would by mid-April furnish a version with sensitive material blacked out. He offered to testify on Capitol Hill soon after turning over the report.
Mr. Barr, who took office in February, has shown flashes of frustration over how the unveiling of the investigation’s findings has unfolded. In his follow-up letter to lawmakers on Friday, he chafed at how the news media and some lawmakers had characterized his March 24 letter.
Mr. Barr and Mr. Mueller have been friends for 30 years, and Mr. Barr said during his confirmation hearing in January that he trusted Mr. Mueller to conduct an impartial investigation. He said he told Mr. Trump that Mr. Mueller was a “straight shooter who should be dealt with as such.” Mr. Mueller served as the head of the Justice Department’s criminal division when Mr. Barr was attorney general under George Bush, and their families are friends.
Mr. Barr’s promises of transparency have done little to appease Democrats who control the House. The House Judiciary Committee voted on Wednesday to let its chairman use a subpoena to try to compel Mr. Barr to hand over a full copy of the Mueller report and its underlying evidence to Congress. The chairman, Representative Jerrold Nadler, Democrat of New York, has not said when he will use the subpoena, but made clear on Wednesday that he did not trust Mr. Barr’s characterization of what Mr. Mueller’s team found.
“The Constitution charges Congress with holding the president accountable for alleged official misconduct,” Mr. Nadler said. “That job requires us to evaluate the evidence for ourselves — not the attorney general’s summary, not a substantially redacted synopsis, but the full report and the underlying evidence.”
Republicans, who have embraced Mr. Barr’s letter clearing Mr. Trump, have accused the Democrats of trying to prolong the cloud over his presidency and urged them to move on.
Mr. Trump has fully embraced Mr. Barr’s version of events. For days, he has pronounced the outcome of the investigation a “complete and total exoneration” and called for the Justice Department and his allies on Capitol Hill to investigate and hold accountable those responsible for opening the inquiry.
Katie Benner and Adam Goldman contributed reporting.
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Re: Mueller team: Findings more damaging for Trump than Barr revealed
Was just about to post this as well.
Mueller himself thus far seems to be staying silent, though that's unsurprising given his notorious reluctance to engage with the press or let anything about what he's doing slip. Schiff of the House Intelligence Committee has said that its inevitable that Mueller will be called to testify, so Mueller is likely waiting for when he can give his account to the House.
Mueller himself thus far seems to be staying silent, though that's unsurprising given his notorious reluctance to engage with the press or let anything about what he's doing slip. Schiff of the House Intelligence Committee has said that its inevitable that Mueller will be called to testify, so Mueller is likely waiting for when he can give his account to the House.
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Re: Mueller team: Findings more damaging for Trump than Barr revealed
Actually, there recently has been a leak from Mueller's team to bypass Barr (source: NYTimes).
Some of Robert S. Mueller III’s investigators have told associates that Attorney General William P. Barr failed to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry and that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. Barr indicated, according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations.
At stake in the dispute — the first evidence of tension between Mr. Barr and the special counsel’s office — is who shapes the public’s initial understanding of one of the most consequential government investigations in American history. Some members of Mr. Mueller’s team are concerned that, because Mr. Barr created the first narrative of the special counsel’s findings, Americans’ views will have hardened before the investigation’s conclusions become public.
Mr. Barr has said he would move quickly to release the nearly 400-page report but needed time to scrub out confidential information. The special counsel’s investigators had already written multiple summaries of the report, and some team members believe that Mr. Barr should have included more of their material in the four-page letter he wrote on March 24 laying out their main conclusions, according to government officials familiar with the investigation. Mr. Barr only briefly cited the special counsel’s work in his letter.
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Re: Mueller team: Findings more damaging for Trump than Barr revealed
Um... yeah? That's basically what the OP was about.
I said that Mueller himself has kept quiet thus far, and to my knowledge he has. Some of his former subordinates evidently don't feel so constrained, however.
I said that Mueller himself has kept quiet thus far, and to my knowledge he has. Some of his former subordinates evidently don't feel so constrained, however.
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Re: Mueller team: Findings more damaging for Trump than Barr revealed
Mueller's team thinks Barr misrepresented the case for obstruction:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/04/some-mu ... stice.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ30LM-KPEE
Seems the American public isn't impressed either.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/04/some-mu ... stice.html
Meanwhile, Trump has gained jack in the polls since Barr said "no obstruction":Trump obstruction evidence stronger than AG Barr suggested, some Mueller team members claim
Some people who worked on special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation believe evidence that President Donald Trump tried to impede the probe is stronger than what Attorney General William Barr publicly suggested when he cleared Trump of obstructing justice, NBC News reported.
Prosecutors and FBI agents in Mueller's office could not agree on whether Trump illegally obstructed the investigation, according to NBC.
Mueller submitted his final report to Barr on March 22. Congressional Democrats have insisted on seeing the full, unredacted report, and have threatened to subpoena its nearly 400 pages if Barr does not release it to Congress soon.
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Well, we'll soon find out. The Hill.
House Judiciary chair calls on Mueller to testify before committee
By Michael Burke - 04/08/19 03:31 PM EDT
Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said on Monday that special counsel Robert Mueller should testify in front of the committee.
Nadler's call for Mueller to testify before the committee comes after Rep. Doug Collins (R-Ga.), the top Republican on the committee, urged Nadler earlier on Monday to have Mueller testify.
"Today, Ranking Member Collins called for Special Counsel Mueller to appear before @HouseJudiciary. I fully agree," Nadler said in a tweet. "Special Counsel Mueller should come before the Committee to answer questions in public about his 22 month investigation into President Trump and his associates."
"In order to ask Special Counsel Mueller the right questions, the Committee must receive the Special Counsel’s full report and hear from Attorney General Barr about that report on May 2. We look forward to hearing from Mr. Mueller at the appropriate time," Nadler added.
But Collins said in a letter earlier Monday that Mueller should testify during the week of April 22, something he said would help with transparency.
"To that end, Special Counsel Mueller should be invited to testify before the Committee during the week of April 22. Although the House is expected to be in recess that week, I think we can agree this business is too important to wait, and Members of the Committee will surely return to Washington at such a critical moment in our country’s history," he wrote.
Mueller, who investigated Russian interference in the 2016 election, submitted his final report last month to Barr.
Barr summarized Mueller's report in a letter last month to lawmakers, saying Mueller did not uncover evidence to conclude that a conspiracy took place between the Trump campaign and Russia. Mueller did not decide whether Trump obstructed justice, but Barr and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said there was not enough evidence to charge President Trump with that crime.
Democrats have called on Barr to share the full, unredacted report with Congress and voted last week to authorize a subpoena for the report.
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Re: Mueller team: Findings more damaging for Trump than Barr revealed
Excellent, though I see they want to wait until after they get the full report and Barr's testimony? And they're now giving Barr until the 2nd of May?
Hopefully if he puts it off longer than that (he will) they'll stop with the demands and start with the subpoenas.
Hopefully if he puts it off longer than that (he will) they'll stop with the demands and start with the subpoenas.
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Re: Mueller team: Findings more damaging for Trump than Barr revealed
Fun. So Barr has to hastily revise his documents again, after the 22nd, so he does not contradict Muller when he has to disclose the report on the 2nd.
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