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We don't know if he's actually incorruptible, or what is final goals are, as he's never stated them. For all we know, he may exist simply to artificially extend the Age of Fire, despite what chaos it wrecks upon all of creation!
Quite a nice idea. At least something good is coming out of this season.In light of the recent petition craze, one Game of Thrones fan has decided to do some good and raise funds for a charity developed by Emilia Clarke.
The epic series' eighth and final season came to a divisive conclusion last weekend, which quickly prompted a petition to get the whole thing remade.
Of course, this will never materialise (even after 1.5 million+ signatures), so it's nice to see something productive happening on the pages of Reddit – thanks to user 'elle_ellaria'.
This Reddit user writes: "Since there's been so much negativity flying around, especially with that petition gaining traction, I thought maybe we could do something really decent that can make a difference in peoples' lives, and show a little love for one cast member in particular.
"In case you weren't aware, Emilia wrote a personal essay for The New Yorker in March about her experience suffering two brain haemorrhages, the first of which happened shortly after wrapping season 1. With that essay she launched her charity 'SameYou', in aid of increasing neuro-rehabilitation access to young people after brain injury.
"It's clear that Emilia invested much of herself into Dany and in turn drew strength from her when she needed it. The fact that the showrunners did not even care to inform her of her character's turn, let alone write a properly fleshed-out script that did her character (and others!) justice, is unforgivable.
"They've since scurried away to avoid the backlash they knew was inevitable, but the actors are getting the brunt of it. And I just thought... how wonderful a gesture would it be for them, and for Emilia especially, to see fans of the show coming together in aid of a cause that is so dear to her heart. To really know that we appreciate her and this character she's inhabited for the better part of the last decade."
At the time of writing, this JustGiving page has racked up over £28,500 towards the £50,000 target.
It looks like the internet can produce some positivity after all.
Game of Thrones aired on HBO in the US, and you can also catch up on the show via Hulu. Viewers in the UK can catch up via Sky Atlantic and NOW TV.
Just consider Danny a tragic figure, doomed both to throw away the loyalties she had because she wouldn't hear advice, or doomed to betrayal because she sought bad advice.The Romulan Republic wrote: ↑2019-05-23 07:58pm If regarding the final three episodes as valid, then my head canon is that either a) a Faceless man replaced Danny in 8.4, causing her character derailment, and Arya has or eventually will figure this out, or b) Every contrived feeling thing is part of some long game that Bran/the Three-Eye Raven is playing to become King/save the world/destroy the world/rule the world, whichever one floats your boat. This becomes the more likely one for sure after 8.6. In particulary, Bran possessing Drogon momentarily would nicely explain why he didn't roast Jon like a marshmallow.
Its not about wanting a happy ending per say. Its that the specific ending that they wrote for Danny a) feels like a sudden about-face on her previous characterization, b) plays on sexist tropes and double standards (ambitious women are crazy, women are too emotional to be trusted with power, Danny is a monster for wanting to seize power by force to an extent that male characters with similar ambitions are not judged in this show), and c) was giving sexists in the fandom pretty much what they wanted.Themightytom wrote: ↑2019-05-27 02:08amJust consider Danny a tragic figure, doomed both to throw away the loyalties she had because she wouldn't hear advice, or doomed to betrayal because she sought bad advice.The Romulan Republic wrote: ↑2019-05-23 07:58pm If regarding the final three episodes as valid, then my head canon is that either a) a Faceless man replaced Danny in 8.4, causing her character derailment, and Arya has or eventually will figure this out, or b) Every contrived feeling thing is part of some long game that Bran/the Three-Eye Raven is playing to become King/save the world/destroy the world/rule the world, whichever one floats your boat. This becomes the more likely one for sure after 8.6. In particulary, Bran possessing Drogon momentarily would nicely explain why he didn't roast Jon like a marshmallow.
I would have liked to see a happy ending somehow too, and the show definitely implied more than it delivered on many fronts but in a lot of areas, it was a great story. Danny's death perfectly mirrored her dream in season 2, where she touched the throne, never sat down and then joined her husband and her son.
In a better-written show, maybe. But yeah, they were never going to get a happily ever after when they fell in love. Jon's values are incompatible with incest. Good for him, honestly. I just wish that wasn't followed up on with "Daenerys goes mad and commits mass murder because her boyfriend dumped her, before said ex-boyfriend kills her."Jon basically did to her, what the Night's watch did to him, and honestly, we're we REALLY expecting aunt and Nephew to work anything out in a non ridiculous manner?
The problem is that Jaime grew as a character from the first few seasons, and then they threw all that away in two episodes. Its the sudden reversal that feels off.I mean I've come around, I think. Euron was never important, Jamie was by and large just a dick, watch him again in the first few seasons, ultimately, he and Cersei didn't deserve more.
Brienne not finding love is okay with me. Brienne being turned into Jaime's one-night stand and then pining over his memory isn't.Brienne is commander of the king's guard so she can't find love anyway, Podrick is probably a tragedy for the ladies, and the Starks, by and large turned out alright.
Ser Davos is actually one of the few people on this show who deserves a Small Council seat. Bronn is a dick, but plenty of other dicks on this show got happy-ish endings, and its nice to see some commoners climb the ranks, so yeah, throw him a bone and let him have his castle.I'm even okay with the resolution of Ser Bron and Ser Davis. It will be interesting to see what GRR does, if he ever even does, and otherwise we have at least one spinoff sequel.
So a grimdark mirror of the dragon Prince thenSolauren wrote: ↑2019-05-27 10:42pm Is a full reboot needed, or just a partial, I wonder? A full redo could be very expensive over all, and you'd have the new actors endlessly compared to the original ones. A partial redo of the later seasons might be in order, but still, expensive.
However....
I, for one, would love to see the entire novel series turned into a modern animation series. It would allow for a more fantastic feel closer to the books (i.e the Iron Throne being several dozen feet tall, unexpected hair colors, the White Walkers looking more 'Ethereal' and 'Ice-like' then just white-corpses), and you'd be able to get the people that played the major characters to voice act the roles.
Hell, might be able to use the existing dialogue recordings for a lot of it.
Necessary? No. Almost inevitable sooner or later, even if the finale had been universally acclaimed? Yeah.
Animation does have some practical appeal, but there's something about the realism of live action that is so appealing to me.However....
I, for one, would love to see the entire novel series turned into a modern animation series. It would allow for a more fantastic feel closer to the books (i.e the Iron Throne being several dozen feet tall, unexpected hair colors, the White Walkers looking more 'Ethereal' and 'Ice-like' then just white-corpses), and you'd be able to get the people that played the major characters to voice act the roles.
Hell, might be able to use the existing dialogue recordings for a lot of it.
Now, that's very harsh, probably harsher than I would have been. I don't think that it was the writers' intent to convey that message (I certainly hope that it wasn't). And in their defense, the idea that "power corrupts" is a very old theme that is not applied to any single gender (though the particular take on it, of her going mad because people don't love her, does seem pretty sexist when applied to a female leader). But the fact that the course of Daenerys' arc could lead people, not bashers of the show or the character but fans, to take it that way based on what was portrayed on-screen, is just depressing.REVIEW: “Because in that moment, when Daenerys goes nuts, and becomes a wicked genocidal dictator who must be deposed, I am remembering her rape scene. Basic story logic: That was the beginning of her arc, this is the end, and we are being asked to see what has changed. It was a journey from powerlessness to power, but now we know this makes it a journey from good to evil, too. What you are telling me, when you make Daenerys a power-mad despot, is that it was better for her to be powerless. It was better for her to be on her knees, with a stranger’s dick forced inside her, than it was for her to be a queen. Power turns Dany bad, and her badness hurts everyone, so it was better for the whole world for that little girl to get raped, over and over and over, than it was for her to find her power.
The new system of a council electing a King, rather than hereditary monarchy, is actually a (small) improvement, in my view. If it sticks (a big if). And given her actions at the end, I'd say that Daenerys's removal from power is absolutely justified (I will never condone genocide as a "necessary evil", not for any reform). I'm just mad that they contrived to reduce Danny to a more simplistic, stereotypical, villainous character like that in the first place.K. A. Pital wrote: ↑2019-06-06 04:12am Stalinerys Targaryen should have stuck to robbing banks in Tbilisi instead of annexing Mongolia, that’s what they saying.
I hear them afraid of Meiji Restoration and Napoleon, because these events while undeniably progressive, are fundamentally anti-British, anti-feudal, although also absolutist.
This is the gist of the story.
Be afraid of change. Go back to aristos sitting at a table. Don’t let former slaves get positions of power (Grey Worm is a BAD).
In the end, Scotland gets to be independent tho, Sansa Sturgeon will start that new referendum IN THE NORTH.
Or because Sansa is his family. Also, Danny would have reasons to go after Sansa personally that have nothing to do with being pro or anti-feudalism, though I do think its likely that abolishing the feudal aristocracy would have been part of her endgame.K. A. Pital wrote: ↑2019-06-06 04:30am Jon Snow didn’t really give much thought to “oh a lot of civilians were killed” until Tyrion said BUT WHAT ABOUT SANSA implying Daenerys was about to depose all feudal lords.
Only the did he go FULL BETRAYAL.
So, figure the morale of the story yourself. Only aristos matter.
The stars of Game of Thrones have been keeping secrets for two years. Emilia Clarke told The New Yorker that meeting Beyoncé was tainted in part by knowing that Bey’s favorite Khaleesi was going to do some pretty awful stuff. “All I wanted to scream was ‘Please, please still like me even though my character turns into a mass-killing dictator!,’” she said. “‘Please still think that I’m representing women in a really fabulous way.’” Despite possibly earning the scorn of Beyoncé, Clarke felt her character’s arc was inevitable in a way. Dany had been through so much trauma, been betrayed by almost everyone she’d ever known, that when Varys and Jon turned on her, she couldn’t recover. Clarke thought her genocidal dragon-riding moment was deeply human: “We all have that thing, whether it’s binging on chocolate or drinking seventeen bottles of wine or having an affair.” In this case, Dany’s “thing” was destroying a city, but go off, sis. Her only regret is that we didn’t see more tenderness before she broke. “I would’ve loved some more scenes with me and Missandei. I would’ve loved some more scenes with me and Cersei,” she said. “I would’ve loved some more scenes between Grey Worm and Missandei. I would’ve loved to see a bit more between Cersei … I feel like there was … The genocide was there. That was always going to happen. And I just think more dissection and those beautifully written scenes that the boys have between characters — that we are more than happy to contently sit there and watch ten minutes of two people talking, because it’s beautiful. I just wanted to see a bit more of that.”
Clarke read the script for the finale as soon as it appeared magically on her electronic devices after filming Solo. “Even for a part that I’ve given so much to and I’ve felt so much for, and for a character that’s seen and lived through so much, I don’t know that there was any other way. But it was a shocker to read.” But Kit Harington waited until the table read, so that his reactions would be genuine. Clarke told Entertainment Weekly that she sat across from Harington so she could watch his reaction as he read. “I looked at Emilia,” he told EW, “and there was a moment of me realizing, ‘No, no …’”
Harington cried when he found out how Dany was going out, as many viewers undoubtedly were. It was important to Clarke to give a parting moment of humanity to the allegedly Mad Queen. “If you see abuse in someone young, they often are able to mentally leave the room,” she told The New Yorker. “I wanted Daenerys to be there. I wanted to show her as we saw her in the beginning: young, naïve, childlike, open, and full of love and hope. I wanted so much for that to be the last memory of her.”
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As for the successor shows, Clarke is in no hurry for more GOT content: “I just think that it would be lovely to just let this lie for a minute before doing anything else. But then it’ll be something completely different, and it won’t be Game of Thrones. It won’t be called Game of Thrones. It will be inspired by Game of Thrones characters, a fantastical series, set in a similar time … I can’t speak because I don’t know the script. But I would just like a bit more time between Game of Thrones being cold in the ground before something else comes along. Because isn’t everyone already up to their eyeballs with Game of Thrones?”
A tragic conflict in which both Jon and Daenerys have a legitimate, sympathetic point, and are at odds due to larger circumstances, would have been better than turning one of the show's protagonists and main female leads into a lunatic monster almost at the last moment, yeah. If they could pull it off effectively, anyway.K. A. Pital wrote: ↑2019-06-06 06:55am It sure is also family-related (although Jon is also a Targ, so...)
Incidentally it would probably have been enough for Daenerys to threaten Sansa or other Starks for Jon to turn on her. Would have been a better story too, perhaps, minus all the toxic “Cersei and Daenerys are ebul rulers and COINCIDENTALLY women, COCK MATTERS” memes spouted by Comrade Varys.
I mean, if you're okay with the constant murder, maybe. Although its pretty clear that its simply a side effect of her goals, and that Cersei gives nary a shit about any political ideals, or anything other than herself and her family.K. A. Pital wrote: ↑2019-06-06 07:30am Cersei also had a fairly compelling vision of a united nation-state, for what it’s worth.
Yeah.Just shows WOMEN BAD lol, MAN STRONG CLAIM TO THRONE.
Clearly centralized and progressive are not synonymous terms, unless one wants to contend that, say, Nazi Germany was progressive. But yeah, I'd generally agree that a centralized monarchy is preferable to divided feudal states, all other things being equal.K. A. Pital wrote: ↑2019-06-06 07:50am Cersei is a scheming ruler who took out disloyal nobles, disposed of a theocratic cult and planned a lasting empire on land and sea (she would’ve prob removed Euron once her goals were reached).
She was cruel to the disloyal nobles, but so were most of the other power-hungry aristos.
Her political project is very self-centered but also very centralist, and so progressive.
Agreed for the most part, although I do like that they have (at least theoretically) done away with hereditary kingship.In the end we have feudalism and feudal separation restored, and minus one kingdom, instead of consolidating into a modern nation.
It sends a pretty bad message even without the male/female angle.
Yes. As we should be. Media has always been shaped by, and used to shape, political opinions. People saying "Its just entertainment, its not political" are fooling themselves. And people saying "It shouldn't be political" are generally being disingenuous, because I guarantee you that very few people mind when their entertainment reflects their political views. When people say "stop making shows political", what they generally mean is "I don't want it to say/show something I disagree with."
Jesus Christ, it must be exhausting to be you.The Romulan Republic wrote: ↑2019-06-06 12:22pmYes. As we should be. Media has always been shaped by, and used to shape, political opinions. People saying "Its just entertainment, its not political" are fooling themselves. And people saying "It shouldn't be political" are generally being disingenuous, because I guarantee you that very few people mind when their entertainment reflects their political views. When people say "stop making shows political", what they generally mean is "I don't want it to say/show something I disagree with."
Everything is political. Literally any topic has political implications, because people disagree, and politics is simply a word for the processes by which people disagree about issues on a societal level. You can choose to ignore it and focus on other aspects of a story. That's your choice. Sometimes its nice to turn your higher brain functions off for a bit. But it will still be political, whether you choose to think about it or not. You can either be consciously political or unconsciously political. You cannot be apolitical.
