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NITV News wrote: Massacre sites in WA confirmed with latest update of digital map
hallenges to Australia's national identity rise with more sites of massacre of First Nations people by colonial-settlers confirmed for digital map project.
By Jack Latimore

Source: NITV News
18 Nov 2019 - 10:23 AM UPDATED 4 HOURS AGO
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The latest updates to a digit map that tracks the extent of frontier violence was launched on Monday, with the Western Australia Kimberley district featuring heavily in the 53 additional sites confirmed.

Stage 3 of the map, titled Colonial Frontier Massacres in Australia 1788-1930, has also incorporated newly researched massacre sites in the Northern Territory and South Australia.

Professor Lyndall Ryan, who leads the project’s research team at the University of Newcastle, said the researchers hoped the map would change the way the nation understands its colonial history.

“In the past there has been a denial of the violence that took place , and Australia’s true history has largely been invisible,” said Prof Ryan.

The research now reveals that at least around 8400 people were killed during 311 massacres that took place between 1788 and 1930.

About 97 per cent of those killed were First Nations men, women and children.

Stage 3 of the digital map project added 41 massacre sites in WA and 9 more in the NT.

Earlier this year, Guardian Australia collaborated with the researchers to bring the data to international prominence with The Killing Times web project.

With the release of the Stage 3 research on Monday, Prof Ryan told Guardian Australia the data also revealed that the massacres became more violent and strategic over time and followed a pattern as the colonial frontier expanded.

“Just about all of the massacres in the first 30 years [of invasion] are carried out by government forces,” Prof Ryan told the Guardian. “There’s always police involved int he story, right across Australia.”

In a media release on Monday, the research team said the data revealed distinct patterns around the locations of massacres, with the bulk of atrocities occurring along major rivers and the route of the Overland Telegraph as colonial forces cleared the way for settlers to spread out across Australia.

The research team sourced data from the diaries of settlers, testimony from survivors and newspapers to corroborate the well-known oral histories of First Nations people. These sources revealed the inhumane attitude settlers and police had towards Aboriginal people, said Prof Ryan.

Prof Ryan said the researchers hoped the map would change the way the nation understands its colonial history.

“What we hope our research can achieve is to put a spotlight on the truth, to bring about historical acceptance and in doing so hopefully we can contribute to a path towards reconciliation.”
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The Guardian wrote: Forced to build their own pyres: dozens more Aboriginal massacres revealed in Killing Times research
Aboriginal people were forced to collect wood for their own pyres in at least four cases of mass killing in Western Australia, a practice that was still happening as late as 1926, new research reveals.

The Killing Times – a collaboration between Guardian Australia and the University of Newcastle’s colonial frontier massacre research team – has found that some of the most violent episodes in our colonial past took place well into the 1920s, in the Northern Territory and Western Australia.

Government forces, including soldiers, police, magistrates and native police, were involved in more than half of all massacres recorded between the 1820s and the 1930s.

The Killing Times map has been updated today with 57 new sites. With this broader national picture we can reveal:

About 97% of people killed in these massacres were Aboriginal men, women and children

Massacres became more violent, systematic and calculated over time

The average number of Indigenous deaths increased over time, before declining in the 1900s, but massacres continued up to 1928

Colonist deaths in massacres stop almost entirely from the early 1900s onwards

Reprisal for killing civilians was the most common justification, with 111 attacks sparked by the death of a colonist

“Opportunity” attacks were the second most common, and the majority were planned with government involvement or sanction

At least 65 massacres of Indigenous people were in retaliation for the killing or theft of livestock, or theft of property

“Just about all of the massacres in the first 30 years [of colonisation] are carried out by government forces,” said Prof Lyndall Ryan, who heads the University of Newcastle research team. “There’s always police involved in the story, right across Australia.

“As the frontier starts to expand, it’s less likely to be British soldiers, but soldiers who’ve left the regiment and been appointed as magistrates, or mounted police.

“They don’t lose their military bearing, let’s put it that way.”

Events were recorded in graphic detail in newspapers, journals, court documents and even a 1926 royal commission but, with the exception of Myall Creek in New South Wales in 1838, no perpetrators were ever convicted.

At Mount Bryan in South Australia in 1844, William Carter killed an Aboriginal family, including a pregnant woman and her unborn child. Carter reported it in horrific detail to magistrates. He was never charged with a crime; the magistrates said “the whites appear to have acted with great moderation.”

At York, WA, in 1837, a pastoralist kept ears as souvenirs after a killing for which nobody was tried or convicted. The Swan River Guardian newspaper described the actions – endorsed by the military, led by Lieutenant Bunbury – as medieval.

' Barbarities of the Middle Age have been committed even by boys and servants, who shot the unarmed woman, the unoffensive child, and the men who kindly showed them the road in the bush; the ears of the corpses have been cut off, and hung up in the kitchen of a gentleman, as a signal of triumph.

The Swan River Guardian, 16 November 1837'


More than 20 massacres took place in the 20th century – half of them in the years after the first world war. The accounts of these later killings – as told by perpetrators as well as survivors – are utterly horrifying.

The late Hector Chunda Jandany’s father and grandfather were killed by colonists in the Kimberley. The Gija artist and senior lawman often spoke and painted about what happened.

Of the Jail House creek killings in 1900, Chunda said: “some kartiya [white people] bin round em up the blackfellas, put em chains around their necks. They used to drive em like a mob of cattle. They took em to the right place, Jail Creek. Then they were carting woodback to the place where they were camping, then tie them up, like a dog.

“All the kartiya get em their guns, line em up every girl and boy and shoot em down. Whang, all the children on the rocks. [Smash their skulls on the rocks.] Chuck em kerosene, put em on the firewood and chuck all em them dead bodies in the firewood place, put em kerosene and chuck em matches.

“Kartiya bin finish em up, killed the lot.”

Aboriginal people were killed and their bodies burned at Panton River in the east Kimberley in the 1880s, and again at Kariyarri in the Pilbara in the 1890s.

At Linnekar Gorge in 1896 a descendant of survivors, David Turner, said “kartiya come there to shoot blackfellas for no reason. Gather all the blackfellas and tie em up with chains. Told blackfellas to get all the wood, stack em on the wood heapStarted shooting the blackfellas with the chains (still on). They had a bottle of kerosene and just pour em on and burn it up.”

The practice continued well into the 20th century.

In 1924, according to oral history passed down by survivors, a group of Gija and Worla men were convicted of killing a bullock at Bedford Downs station. They were sent back to the station with “tickets” around their necks as a label of their guilt. Some removed the tickets before they reached the station, others left them on. When they arrived, those who still had their tickets on were sent to a remote area to chop wood. After spending the morning chopping wood, they were given food poisoned with strychnine, causing them to die painfully. Their bodies were then burned. Two men who refused to eat escaped. They, along with two women who had also witnessed the killings, passed on this story.

These recounts are told with brutal simplicity. Ryan believes it is a sign that “the hatred of Aboriginal people after world war one seems to have intensified”.

“Racism has become more profound. It’s more acceptable, more articulate.

“Everything is more ruthless, as if the compassion has gone,” Ryan says. “This is hard, ruthless country, no holds barred.”

She adds: “These are professional killers, by the time we get into the 20th century. The Boer war and world war one seem to have a big impact on the way massacres are carried out. And that’s to do with better gun technology, like long-range rifles.”

At the same time, Ryan says, Aboriginal labour was needed to build the frontier, so “there’s a lot of contradiction going on”.

“They always know it’s wrong,” Ryan says. “On the one hand, the authorities in Broome or Darwin are saying “massacre is illegal” but they all seem to be doing it, and nobody’s brought to justice.

“You do find some of the press in Western Australia expressing concern . But most of the stations in the Kimberley are actually owned by politicians in the West Australian parliament.

“Most of the massacres in the Northern Territory, even after 1911, are carried out on pastoral leasesowned by politicians in South Australia, the pillars of South Australian society.

“It’s happening on their cattle stations, prominent South Australians.”

The historical records show that it takes some perpetrators decades to talk about what took place. Ryan believes the need to bear witness is a great burden on them, that seems to weigh heavier with time.

“The whole thing about massacres is the code of silence that is imposed in the immediate aftermath,” Ryan explains. “Many people are too frightened to speak. Aboriginal people won’t speak. They might get killed themselves.

“Some of the perpetrators might feel badly but they’re not going to say anything immediately afterwards. They might talk 20 or 30 years later, when all fear of being killed or being arrested has gone.

“Often it’s the young men who are in their late teens or early 20s, who’re not the leaders of the massacre but part of the hunting group. Sometimes when they’re married, and children of their own appear, they suddenly realise they’ve killed a little Aboriginal child and I think it really weighs on them.

“The need to tell becomes terribly important.”

The Killing Times is just the beginning of research into the frontier. There are still many sites awaiting verification, particularly in Queensland and the Northern Territory.

“We’ll never have the whole list but what we’ve got is really confronting enough,” Ryan says.

“The cover-up has been so profound and this is just a very important part of it. The cover-up of massacres is an important part of white Australia.”

The Killing Times is based on data from the Colonial Frontier Massacre Digital Map Project led by Prof Lyndall Ryan at the University of Newcastle’s Centre for the 21st Century Humanities.

For more information about the analysis conducted by Guardian Australia and the research methods of the University of Newcastle’s colonial frontier massacre research team, please read the about section here.
The history of Australia (and of colonization more generally) is one of the most appalling cruelty, and it often drives me to despair to know what my ancestors have done here. This research only confirms what Indigenous people have been saying all along and what those of us inclined to listen have known, but naturally the chuds are already decrying it as anti-Australian propaganda and trying to say 'it's all in the past, get over it already'. Our nation cannot get over it by forgetting it, only by confronting it and its legacy head on.
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True. Every nation however has something they'd rather pretend never happened. One of the turkish kids I knew in high school, when I mentioned the Armenian Genocide, said "oh that was in war". He could not admit that the Turkish state could have committed such a ghastly crime. Same with Japanese and the rape of Nanjing, Israel and the crimes that went on in the founding or the US with how the native americans were treated. As a rule people prefer to focus on the good parts of their history and gloss over the really ugly and shitty parts of their history. Focusing on the bad parts of our history ruins the glamor and makes us feel kinda shitty, and let's face it people don't like to feel shitty.

Still, from what little I've heard Australia seems to have been bad even by Colonial standards (the Tasmianian Aboriginals were completely exterminated for instance). How true is that?
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Darth Yan wrote: 2019-11-17 11:33pm True. Every nation however has something they'd rather pretend never happened. One of the turkish kids I knew in high school, when I mentioned the Armenian Genocide, said "oh that was in war". He could not admit that the Turkish state could have committed such a ghastly crime. Same with Japanese and the rape of Nanjing, Israel and the crimes that went on in the founding or the US with how the native americans were treated. As a rule people prefer to focus on the good parts of their history and gloss over the really ugly and shitty parts of their history. Focusing on the bad parts of our history ruins the glamor and makes us feel kinda shitty, and let's face it people don't like to feel shitty.
Focusing on the bad, when it has ongoing effects, is the only way to have glamour worth the name and be a country worth preserving. Anyone afraid to confront the darkest, ugliest parts of their country does not in fact love their country - they wish only to preserve their own comfort.
Still, from what little I've heard Australia seems to have been bad even by Colonial standards (the Tasmianian Aboriginals were completely exterminated for instance). How true is that?
Reasonably, as there was some express intent to avoid the failures of the American experience (and by failures, at that time, was meant the continuing existence of Native American peoples). However, it's best not to repeat the idea that the Palawa of Tasmania were completely exterminated (setting aside the problematic nature of the term where 'murdered' or 'wiped out' would fit more comfortably), as they in fact still exist despite the common misconception that they don't.
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loomer wrote: 2019-11-17 11:57pm
Darth Yan wrote: 2019-11-17 11:33pm True. Every nation however has something they'd rather pretend never happened. One of the turkish kids I knew in high school, when I mentioned the Armenian Genocide, said "oh that was in war". He could not admit that the Turkish state could have committed such a ghastly crime. Same with Japanese and the rape of Nanjing, Israel and the crimes that went on in the founding or the US with how the native americans were treated. As a rule people prefer to focus on the good parts of their history and gloss over the really ugly and shitty parts of their history. Focusing on the bad parts of our history ruins the glamor and makes us feel kinda shitty, and let's face it people don't like to feel shitty.
Focusing on the bad, when it has ongoing effects, is the only way to have glamour worth the name and be a country worth preserving. Anyone afraid to confront the darkest, ugliest parts of their country does not in fact love their country - they wish only to preserve their own comfort.
Still, from what little I've heard Australia seems to have been bad even by Colonial standards (the Tasmianian Aboriginals were completely exterminated for instance). How true is that?
Reasonably, as there was some express intent to avoid the failures of the American experience (and by failures, at that time, was meant the continuing existence of Native American peoples). However, it's best not to repeat the idea that the Palawa of Tasmania were completely exterminated (setting aside the problematic nature of the term where 'murdered' or 'wiped out' would fit more comfortably), as they in fact still exist despite the common misconception that they don't.
No argument on the first part. Just making the point that as a rule people don't like to think bad things about themselves. If you've seen "When They See Us" it captured that perfectly. Basically the prosecutor wrote an INCREDIBLY aggreived op-ed complaining about how she was portrayed as an overzealous bigot who didn't care about justice as much as her own ego when if you look at the real life case that's....pretty much what happened.

Oh? In what I've read it said that the last FULLBLOODED Tasmanians died out in the 1870s, and that while there are a few with Palawa blood there aren't any full-blooded ones left. How true is that?
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Darth Yan wrote: 2019-11-18 01:21am Oh? In what I've read it said that the last FULLBLOODED Tasmanians died out in the 1870s, and that while there are a few with Palawa blood there aren't any full-blooded ones left. How true is that?
Indigeneity is not, barring a few fringe matters, a matter of blood quantum in Australia, and the framing of it as such is part of the colonial enterprise that requires the disappearance of and destruction of Indigenous peoples. It makes no difference whether a Palawa person has European ancestry or not - they are Palawa, and a rejection of the idea that heritage can be 'bred out' by the infusion of sufficient amounts of European blood making one 'not a real <insert term of choice here>' is vital to understanding the resilience of Indigenous peoples and the complex interactions between culture, ancestry, and place.
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loomer wrote: 2019-11-18 01:47am Indigeneity is not, barring a few fringe matters, a matter of blood quantum in Australia, and the framing of it as such is part of the colonial enterprise that requires the disappearance of and destruction of Indigenous peoples. It makes no difference whether a Palawa person has European ancestry or not - they are Palawa, and a rejection of the idea that heritage can be 'bred out' by the infusion of sufficient amounts of European blood making one 'not a real <insert term of choice here>' is vital to understanding the resilience of Indigenous peoples and the complex interactions between culture, ancestry, and place.
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "they are Palawa if they choose to self-identify as such" (or something similar in more precise language)? In some hypothetical mirror-world scenario where every single person with Palawa heritage has decided that they are not Palawa at all and explicitly reject any token of that culture or ancestry, on what basis could anyone still think of them as Palawa with appealing to a potentially problematic notion of essentialism?

(I do recognize that my scenario is somewhat problematic in and of itself in that by abstracting things so I am implicitly side-stepping the complexity and violence of the relationship between colonialism and its cultural heritage on the way indigenous cultural awareness has developed)
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Ziggy Stardust wrote: 2019-11-18 10:37pm
loomer wrote: 2019-11-18 01:47am Indigeneity is not, barring a few fringe matters, a matter of blood quantum in Australia, and the framing of it as such is part of the colonial enterprise that requires the disappearance of and destruction of Indigenous peoples. It makes no difference whether a Palawa person has European ancestry or not - they are Palawa, and a rejection of the idea that heritage can be 'bred out' by the infusion of sufficient amounts of European blood making one 'not a real <insert term of choice here>' is vital to understanding the resilience of Indigenous peoples and the complex interactions between culture, ancestry, and place.
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "they are Palawa if they choose to self-identify as such" (or something similar in more precise language)? In some hypothetical mirror-world scenario where every single person with Palawa heritage has decided that they are not Palawa at all and explicitly reject any token of that culture or ancestry, on what basis could anyone still think of them as Palawa with appealing to a potentially problematic notion of essentialism?

(I do recognize that my scenario is somewhat problematic in and of itself in that by abstracting things so I am implicitly side-stepping the complexity and violence of the relationship between colonialism and its cultural heritage on the way indigenous cultural awareness has developed)
If they stepped away from being Palawa, sure, but there's really no point in entertaining that fiction here.
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Given that Stand on Zanzibar predicted these random mass killings (and a lot more including terrorism being a major thing and smart phones back in 1969 and as part of the bigger problem of basically breaking the human psyche via population density...
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GrosseAdmiralFox wrote: 2019-11-19 03:50am Given that Stand on Zanzibar predicted these random mass killings (and a lot more including terrorism being a major thing and smart phones back in 1969 and as part of the bigger problem of basically breaking the human psyche via population density...
The fuck are you talking about? These are historic massacres to do with the Frontier Wars, they have nothing to do with 'breaking the human psyche via population density'. They aren't random, they were part of a systemic project of genocide.
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loomer wrote: 2019-11-19 05:09am
GrosseAdmiralFox wrote: 2019-11-19 03:50am Given that Stand on Zanzibar predicted these random mass killings (and a lot more including terrorism being a major thing and smart phones back in 1969 and as part of the bigger problem of basically breaking the human psyche via population density...
The fuck are you talking about? These are historic massacres to do with the Frontier Wars, they have nothing to do with 'breaking the human psyche via population density'. They aren't random, they were part of a systemic project of genocide.
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... and this is what I get when I don't get enough sleep. :banghead:

At this point, I have to literally log off from reality to stay sane.
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Darth Yan wrote: 2019-11-18 01:21am Oh? In what I've read it said that the last FULLBLOODED Tasmanians died out in the 1870s, and that while there are a few with Palawa blood there aren't any full-blooded ones left. How true is that?
How long can you maintain a fullblooded line of any ethnic group without some major separation between them and the rest of the population ?
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bilateralrope wrote: 2019-11-19 06:27am
Darth Yan wrote: 2019-11-18 01:21am Oh? In what I've read it said that the last FULLBLOODED Tasmanians died out in the 1870s, and that while there are a few with Palawa blood there aren't any full-blooded ones left. How true is that?
How long can you maintain a fullblooded line of any ethnic group without some major separation between them and the rest of the population ?
This inevitable mixing is why carrying on about 'the last fullblooded' and so on with regards to Indigenous peoples is particularly pernicious. The logic of elimination requires the racialization of Indigenous peoples as doomed to die out due to admixture, disease, and murders - so when we have in fact thousands of people who have a legitimate claim to descent from one of those groups, to argue they aren't 'real' Palawa or 'real' Lia Pootah or real whoever on the basis of admixture with European peoples is to simply deploy that same logic to continue the colonial project of erasure, freeing the land up as now vacant and uncontestable when in fact its traditional owners and custodians remain alive. This, in large part, is the impetus for the introduction of blood quantum laws by settler-states regarding their Indigenous peoples.
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