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FDA approves emergency use of anti-malaria drug for COVID-19:

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The Food and Drug Administration approved the anecdotally promising malaria drug for emergency use to treat hospitalized patients for COVID-19.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) said in a statement it has accepted 30 million doses of hydroxychloroquine sulfate donated by Sandoz, the Novartis (NVS) generics and biosimilars division, and one million doses of chloroquine phosphate donated by Bayer Pharmaceuticals (BAYRY).

The drug is currently being tested in New York hospitals.

The drug’s effects on patients has result in a shortage for patients who use it for arthritis and lupus, and there have been reports of hoarding among medical professionals. Several states recently took steps to limit the number of prescriptions filled, by forcing increased accountability of who is prescribing the drug and why.

On March 20, Novartis said it, “intends to donate up to 130 million 200-mg doses by the end of May, including its current stock of 50 million 200-mg doses. The company is also exploring further scaling of capacity to increase supply and is committed to working with manufacturers around the world to meet global demand. Novartis’ Sandoz division currently only holds a registration for hydroxychloroquine in the U.S., and will pursue appropriate regulatory authorizations from the U.S. FDA and the European Medicines Agency.”

On March 19, Bayer announced it would donate 3 million doses.

In a statement, HHS reiterated the drug still only has anecdotal evidence to support its efficacy.

“Anecdotal reports suggest that these drugs may offer some benefit in the treatment of hospitalized COVID-19 patients. Clinical trials are needed to provide scientific evidence that these treatments are effective,” according to the statement.

Earlier Sunday, Novartis CEO told a German newspaper the drug was effective, saying, “Pre-clinical studies in animals as well as the first data from clinical studies show that hydroxychloroquine kills the coronavirus.”

President Donald Trump touted the drug’s efficacy based on the anecdotes, meanwhile Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases, has cautioned against promoting unproven medical treatments.

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Hogan today

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This morning, I signed an executive order which institutes a stay at home directive. No Maryland resident should be leaving their home unless it is for an essential job or for an essential reason, such as obtaining food or medicine, seeking urgent medical attention, or for other necessary purposes.

In addition, only essential businesses are allowed to remain open in Maryland and those businesses must make every effort to scale down their operations in order to reduce the number of required staff, to limit interactions with customers, and to institute telework for as much of the workforce as is practical.

As we have previously stated, no Marylander should be traveling outside of the state, unless such travel is absolutely necessary. If you have traveled outside the state, you should self-quarentine for 14 days.

This is a deadly public health crisis, we are no longer asking or suggesting that Marylanders stay home, we are directing them to do so. This executive order will become effective at 8:00 PM tonight.
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Dickhead couple put Gwich'in community at risk. Shit like this is why a policy of 'just isolate' doesn't necessarily work - when selfish cunts deliberately flee disease hotspots to vulnerable communities, you wind up with potentially horrific results.
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15 of the 58 man crew of the Dutch submarine Zr. Ms. Dolfijn have been tested positive for Corona.

They were on exercises in the North Atlantic and returning.
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MKSheppard wrote: 2020-03-30 12:15pm 15 of the 58 man crew of the Dutch submarine Zr. Ms. Dolfijn have been tested positive for Corona.

They were on exercises in the North Atlantic and returning.
A Canadian Navy ship just turned back to port after COVID-19 showed up on board too.
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Along with a U.S. carrier.

It's not absurd to think this might lead to a drawdown of power projection for the next half a year. And an excuse to do maintenance.
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Ace Pace wrote: 2020-03-30 01:33pm Along with a U.S. carrier.

It's not absurd to think this might lead to a drawdown of power projection for the next half a year. And an excuse to do maintenance.
Honestly, its something the US (and probably some other countries) ought to dial back on anyway, so add this to the list of "Shit we should have done a long time ago but it took a mini-apocalypse to make us do it."

Meanwhile, a US Navy hospital ship has arrived in New York. Hopefully that'll help the situation there. Trump has also signed the coronavirus relief bill, and is raising the prospect of extra hazard pay for health care workers coming into contact with the virus. Which should really be a "no shit" sort of thing.

The regime seems to be grudgingly accepting, for the moment at least, that 100,000 deaths can now be considered a good outcome. If only someone in a position of authority had taken the necessary steps two or three weeks ago to avoid 100,000 dead being a best case scenario.

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In a hopeful image that captured the spirit of a national mobilization against the coronavirus, a Navy hospital ship docked in New York on Monday as the city pleaded for more help to stanch the deadly outbreak at its U.S. epicentre.

Painted a gleaming white and adorned with giant red crosses, the 1,000-bed USNS Comfort sailed up the Hudson River, accompanied by a flotilla of support ships and helicopters hovering ahead, before docking at a Midtown Manhattan pier.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and New York state Governor Andrew Cuomo, a prominent public figure in the battle to stop the coronavirus outbreak, were among the dignitaries waiting on the dock when the converted oil tanker arrived at about 11 a.m. EDT.

The Comfort will treat non-coronavirus patients, including those who require surgery and critical care, the Navy said.

“It’s a wartime atmosphere and we all have to pull together,” de Blasio said after the ship’s arrival. He said preparations for the ship, including dredging, took eight days, much less than the two weeks initially expected.

Hospitals in the city have been overrun with patients suffering from COVID-19, the respiratory illness caused by the virus. New York state accounts for almost half of the country’s more than 144,000 cases and more than a third of its more than 2,500 deaths, according to a Reuters tally.

The United States has the most cases in the world.

To ease the pressure, construction of a 68-bed field hospital began on Sunday in Central Park, and the white tents being set up evoked a wartime feel in an island of green typically used by New Yorkers to exercise, picnic and enjoy the first signs of spring.

The makeshift facility, provided by Mount Sinai Health System and non-profit organization Samaritan’s Purse, is expected to be ready to accept patients on Tuesday but will not take walk-ins, and admissions and transfers will be managed by Mount Sinai, de Blasio said.

De Blasio, among a growing chorus of officials who have voiced frustration at the Trump administration’s handling of the crisis, said the death toll in his city would rise soon if Washington did not provide more medical supplies and assistance. “Sunday is D-Day, we need help by Sunday,” he told CNN.

In Los Angeles, another Navy hospital ship, the USNS Mercy, began accepting patients on Sunday, also to treat non-coronavirus patients.

Authorities in New Orleans were setting up a field hospital at the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center – the same site where thousands of Hurricane Katrina refugees suffered in 2005 – to handle the expected overflow of patients.

Maryland Governor Larry Hogan issued a “stay-at-home” order as cases in the state continued to rise.

In nearby Washington, D.C., congressional officials announced that the U.S. Capitol would be closed to the public through April. They had previously said it would be closed until the end of March.

CHILLING NUMBERS
U.S. health officials are urging Americans to follow stay-at-home orders and other measures to contain the spread of the virus, which originated in China and has infected about three-quarters of a million people around the world.

“If we do things together well – almost perfectly – we could get in the range of 100,000 to 200,000 fatalities,” Dr. Deborah Birx, co-ordinator of the White House’s coronavirus task force, told NBC’s “Today” show.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, a top U.S. health official, cited those figures on Sunday as a possible outcome, but Birx’s assessment appeared to suggest the figures could be a floor rather than a ceiling.

The New York Times reported earlier this month that models from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention projected that 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die and between 160 million and 214 million people could be infected.

“We allowed the seeds to be planted. And now there is nothing to do but wait for the bloom. A lot of these deaths are already percolating,” said Dana Miller, 61, of Belmont, Massachusetts, a retired health policy official in the U.S. government.

President Donald Trump, who initially played down the risk of the outbreak to Americans, said his administration was seeking to secure hazard pay for health care providers in direct contact with the virus.

“We are looking at that and we are looking at that either as an amendment or something,” Trump, who is up for re-election in November, told Fox News a day after he abandoned a hotly criticized plan to get the economy up and running by mid-April.

Trump on Friday signed a $2-trillion package of emergency measures that authorizes direct payments to households, loans to small and large companies, and funding that the Federal Reserve may leverage into as much as $4-trillion more in credit.

That legislation has helped to soothe rattled nerves on Wall Street, where stocks had fallen sharply as the coronavirus outbreak worsened before rebounding last week. Major U.S. stock indexes were up again on Monday.

Trump also has extended his original 15-day nationwide stay-at-home order for another 30 days, a step that many Americans accepted with resignation.

“I’m sad to be locked inside, but I think it’s for the best,” said Mia Siracusa, 24, a data manager ordered to work out of her apartment in Brooklyn, whose live-in boyfriend is from Italy and whose mother is a New York City hospital nurse.

“I get frustrated when people don’t stay in,” she said. “I am frustrated that our federal government didn’t get a handle on this sooner.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... nal-summer

This bit is especially relevant:
Is there another approach we could take?
Rutherford: I think as shelter in place starts to get peeled back, it’s going to need to be replaced with something more along the South Korean model of aggressive contact tracing, quarantine and isolation, and that’s going to be the bridge to get us out to when the vaccine comes in. Given the hit on the economy that’s going on now, there’s going to be a lot of enthusiasm for the South Korean model.

Lipsitch: If we can do that, it’s great. The challenge is that reintroductions are a constant threat. We’ve seen it in China. They’re trying to go back to work while doing control based on individual cases, but they’ve had multiple introductions from outside the country now. I think it’s what we should aim for, but I’m not hugely optimistic that it will work.

Riley: South Korea and Hong Kong had really efficient contact tracing programs, where they would quarantine the contacts of symptomatic people who were diagnosed with coronavirus. It was a much more focused approach to controlling transmission.

The problem in the US is we don’t have that kind of manpower, and that’s probably something that the US really needs to start looking into in a very serious way, because we just totally neglected our public health system infrastructure.
This is the exit strategy for post-lockdown. Which means the various Western countries need to implement those measures as soon as possible, and develop the infrastructure to be able to do aggressive contact tracing. While people might see this as an infringement of rights, people's rights are already infringed with shelter-in-place and lockdowns anyway.

Contact-tracing barely exist in any of the Western countries during the contain phrase of the pandemic response, which was why Western containment failed so badly in all regards.

Contact-tracing is the only offensive tool people have in fighting against the spread of the virus. The US do have the manpower to do those task. Singapore used our army personnel to do the job of calling people up and isolating them. If your constitution prevents such measures, now is a good time to have an amendment to allow such use for the specific scenario of a pandemic outbreak.

Your founding fathers probably never envisioned a pandemic of such scale happening in their lifetime, so now is a time to introduce these life-saving measures to combat pandemics.
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https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/data-ana ... Ati-dphil/

A pretty interesting analysis approach.
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Today's numbers (3-30-2020) updated as of 6 PM Eastern:

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Italy looks like they're finally getting it under control, as it's shifting more towards spain; but the death toll will be big. :(
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MKSheppard wrote: 2020-03-30 12:15pm 15 of the 58 man crew of the Dutch submarine Zr. Ms. Dolfijn have been tested positive for Corona
This BTW, provides an attack rate for COVID-19 against people under semi-optimal conditions -- people are practicing basic sanitation and hygiene, but have to be in a sewer pipe for months with other people in hot bunks -- and it got a 25.8% attack rate.
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MKSheppard wrote: 2020-03-30 06:10pm
MKSheppard wrote: 2020-03-30 12:15pm 15 of the 58 man crew of the Dutch submarine Zr. Ms. Dolfijn have been tested positive for Corona
This BTW, provides an attack rate for COVID-19 against people under semi-optimal conditions -- people are practicing basic sanitation and hygiene, but have to be in a sewer pipe for months with other people in hot bunks -- and it got a 25.8% attack rate.
So a bit worse than the Diamond Princess cruise ship which was about 700 out of 3700 thanks to better conditions for spread. Lots more space on a cruise ship, no hot bunking, and lots more showers. Would be interesting to see the data from Italy & South Korea for infection rates once they get done with it.
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aerius wrote: 2020-03-30 06:27pm
MKSheppard wrote: 2020-03-30 06:10pm
MKSheppard wrote: 2020-03-30 12:15pm 15 of the 58 man crew of the Dutch submarine Zr. Ms. Dolfijn have been tested positive for Corona
This BTW, provides an attack rate for COVID-19 against people under semi-optimal conditions -- people are practicing basic sanitation and hygiene, but have to be in a sewer pipe for months with other people in hot bunks -- and it got a 25.8% attack rate.
So a bit worse than the Diamond Princess cruise ship which was about 700 out of 3700 thanks to better conditions for spread. Lots more space on a cruise ship, no hot bunking, and lots more showers. Would be interesting to see the data from Italy & South Korea for infection rates once they get done with it.
The virus spreads really easily in an enclosed space. Also, the Dutch seems to be going for a herd immunity strategy. So the number of sailors who already had it before boarding can be much higher as well.
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Aaand now we see it hitting those frontline workers. What happens when their numbers start to drop significantly?
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Gandalf wrote: 2020-03-30 08:03pm Aaand now we see it hitting those frontline workers. What happens when their numbers start to drop significantly?
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ray245 wrote: 2020-03-30 04:18pmThis is the exit strategy for post-lockdown. Which means the various Western countries need to implement those measures as soon as possible, and develop the infrastructure to be able to do aggressive contact tracing. While people might see this as an infringement of rights, people's rights are already infringed with shelter-in-place and lockdowns anyway.

Contact-tracing barely exist in any of the Western countries during the contain phrase of the pandemic response, which was why Western containment failed so badly in all regards.

Contact-tracing is the only offensive tool people have in fighting against the spread of the virus. The US do have the manpower to do those task. Singapore used our army personnel to do the job of calling people up and isolating them. If your constitution prevents such measures, now is a good time to have an amendment to allow such use for the specific scenario of a pandemic outbreak.

Your founding fathers probably never envisioned a pandemic of such scale happening in their lifetime, so now is a time to introduce these life-saving measures to combat pandemics.
I realise this is a situation where there aren't any truly good choices, but there's rather an important question that needs to be addressed: What happens when we implement 24/7 real-time tracking of every citizen's location to stop the spread of the virus, and the government decides they're not going to stop doing it when the danger is past?
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The pandemic continues to spread into new nations - now the Lummi, Puyallup, and Akwesasne Mohawk nations all have confirmed cases.
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Zaune wrote: 2020-03-30 08:39pm
ray245 wrote: 2020-03-30 04:18pmThis is the exit strategy for post-lockdown. Which means the various Western countries need to implement those measures as soon as possible, and develop the infrastructure to be able to do aggressive contact tracing. While people might see this as an infringement of rights, people's rights are already infringed with shelter-in-place and lockdowns anyway.

Contact-tracing barely exist in any of the Western countries during the contain phrase of the pandemic response, which was why Western containment failed so badly in all regards.

Contact-tracing is the only offensive tool people have in fighting against the spread of the virus. The US do have the manpower to do those task. Singapore used our army personnel to do the job of calling people up and isolating them. If your constitution prevents such measures, now is a good time to have an amendment to allow such use for the specific scenario of a pandemic outbreak.

Your founding fathers probably never envisioned a pandemic of such scale happening in their lifetime, so now is a time to introduce these life-saving measures to combat pandemics.
I realise this is a situation where there aren't any truly good choices, but there's rather an important question that needs to be addressed: What happens when we implement 24/7 real-time tracking of every citizen's location to stop the spread of the virus, and the government decides they're not going to stop doing it when the danger is past?
Erm, I’m pretty sure they do so already? It’s called a cell phone :P

Or do you mean that governments may pass legislation to make it official for everything rather than just covert anti-terrorist / anti government stuff?

Or make it mandatory that someone has a GPS on them at all times?
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At present the fatality rate of Native American COVID-19 patients is three times that of the general population, but it's early days.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/ ... n/12106496
Private hospital coronavirus agreement to expand bed numbers to tackle pandemic
Updated 40 minutes ago

The Federal Government has struck a deal with the country's 657 private hospitals, giving the Commonwealth access to another 34,000 hospital beds to tackle the coronavirus crisis.

Key points:
A third of Australia's intensive care capacity is in the private sector
Staff and equipment will be made available to treat people with coronavirus
Private hospitals faced an uncertain future, with restrictions on elective surgeries
The deal also opens up access to private hospital staffing and equipment, such as ventilators.

One third of Australia's intensive care capacity is in the private sector.

In exchange, the Commonwealth will guarantee the survival of private hospitals during the period while elective surgery, which is their main form of income, is cancelled.

"It will bring over 105,000 full and part-time hospital staff, including 57,000 of our amazing nurses and midwives," Health Minister Greg Hunt said.

"It guarantees them their future … but most importantly it brings their resources to the fight against coronavirus, COVID-19, in Australia."

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Mr Hunt also confirmed the rate of infection in recent days was 9 per cent, down from between 25 to 30 per cent a week ago.

That drop came after the National Cabinet forced the closure of pubs, clubs, sporting and entertainment facilities and imposed restrictions on most gatherings.

"This progress is early, it's significant, but now, with these additional rules around gatherings and movement, we are going the next step to help reduce again the level of infection, and to support our containment," he said.

"All of that is then backed by our attempts and our plans and the reality of improving capacity."

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Re: The Walls Come Down: No Travel Betwen US and Europe for 30 Days

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https://vox.com/policy-and-politics/202 ... government
As Covid-19 continues its spread across the United States, health care providers across the country face a staggering lack of necessary equipment, with shortages in a federal stockpile of emergency medical equipment contributing to unequal distribution among affected communities, according to new reporting by the Washington Post.

While it is still not clear which communities are receiving more or less federal support — or how distribution decisions are made — the Post article suggests, anecdotally, that federal allocation of medical resources do not seem to target density of need, but rather the political makeup of affected communities.

According to the Post, the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) requested $2 billion for emergency medical equipment in early February, but received just $500 million weeks later. Now, under strain, that federal stockpile — comprised of ventilators, masks, drugs, and other medical equipment — is insufficient to meet the needs of hospitals who feel underresourced due to the spread of the novel coronavirus.

Communities have been begging, sometimes literally, for increased access to medical equipment, including ventilators and respirators, and basic personal protective equipment (PPE), like masks, gloves, and gowns, for weeks.

But distribution from the federal government has appeared to be uneven. In Massachusetts, where there are major outbreaks around Boston and in the state’s western Berkshire County, only 17 percent of requested resources have been shipped out. Maine has received about 5 percent of what it has requested, and Colorado has received about a day’s worth of supplies, according to the Post.

On Sunday, Michigan’s Gov. Gretchen Whitmer appeared on Meet the Press to say that her state received 112,000 masks from the national stockpile Saturday, but that even with that number, “We’re going to be in dire straits again in a matter of days.”

President Donald Trump has been critical of Whitmer’s requests for aid, and her criticism of his administration’s response, referring to her as “the woman in Michigan.” By contrast, he has praised Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, where Trump resides, and that state has received multiple shipments of everything it has requested, and is awaiting another, according to FEMA data.

It is not clear why this disparity exists, or what protocol FEMA, which recently took over control of the stockpile, uses to administer resources.

The federal stockpile exists to ensure that states can easily access emergency necessities without relying on a fickle open market. But that reserve, established in the 1990s, was never intended to span a nationwide emergency, a former acting director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Richard Besser, told the Post.

“The response contains enough for multiple emergencies,” said Besser. “Multiple does not mean 50 states plus territories and, within every state, every locality.”

Trump wants states to take the lead on responding to Covid-19, despite the fact the federal government is better equipped to do so
At a press briefing on March 19, Trump expressed resentment about being asked for medical supplies, saying that the federal government is “not a shipping clerk.” He also suggested that governors needed to take care of their own states, acquiring necessary medical materials themselves on the open market.

Governors “are supposed to be doing a lot of this work” of obtaining supplies, Trump said at the time.

But many governors and health officials have said this approach is difficult, needlessly expensive, and that it pits localities both against one another — and the federal government.

“Allowing the free market to determine availability and pricing is not the way we should be dealing with this national crisis at this time,” Virginia’s Gov. Ralph Northam said.

“It is a challenge,” Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear said. “The federal government says ‘States, you need to go find your supply chain,’ and then the federal government ends up buying from that supply chain.”

Equipment is hard to find on the open market, health officials say, because individuals and communities across the globe are buying out what exists. And prices are rising in the private market for the same reason: a number of actors — individuals, hospitals, states, the federal government, and other countries — are competing for the same limited resources.

This paradigm favors wealthier states, those most willing to divert financial resources toward the pandemic (regardless of potential political fallout), or those able to leverage existing relationships with a president who often uses personal preference to determine national policy. As the crisis deepens, all states — regardless of whether they have these advantages — are finding needed equipment in dangerously short supply.

Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo has told reporters her state is trying “to scour the world to find all the supplies we need in order to do the testing,” with mixed success.

And Oklahoma’s Secretary of Health and Human Services Jerome Loughridge told reporters his state will run out of personal protective equipment within the next week.

There is a mechanism by which the federal government could help states overcome these difficulties — essentially, by working, despite what Trump has said, as a shipping clerk. As Vox’s Alex Ward explained, the Defense Production Act (DPA) allows the government to procure badly needed resources and to direct production to resolve supply shortages:

The federal government could get involved and place an order for masks, which would get fulfilled first because a DPA order takes priority over all others. Then, because the government knows which areas have the most need for those masks, it can distribute them appropriately.

... [To fill those orders, companies are] going to need additional materials and may be hampered in their efforts if they can’t get those materials.

Again, this is where the DPA comes in: The federal government can find other sources of those materials and then put in an order to have the company sell the materials to the federal government instead of using them to make their own products.

... Finally, there may be a company that wants to help build something — say, respirators — but doesn’t have the machinery or capital to do so. If the federal government thinks that company could be useful, it might give a loan or offer equipment under DPA so production can begin right away. That accelerates that company’s ability to help right now.

Trump has begun using the DPA in an extremely limited fashion. Its broader use could go a long way toward helping state officials access the materials they need, however. But with no guarantee that federal assistance is at the ready, states may have to continue their efforts to figure out how to protect their own — even if that’s to the detriment of the collective United States.
Denying aid to states whose governors are political opponents is nothing short of political mass murder.

We count the victims who died of disease or starvation in the camps as victims of the Holocaust, because even though they weren't shot or gassed, their deaths were a predictable and intended consequence of the Nazis' inhumane policies. Likewise, we count the famine deaths in the Ukraine against Stalin, because they were a result of his policies.

So, must we not likewise count the Coronavirus dead against Donald Trump? What he appears to be doing here is nothing less than political mass murder of the residents of Blue states.
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Trump says 200,000 people could die because he's done "a very good job":

https://vox.com/2020/3/30/21199586/us-c ... 0-good-job
President Donald Trump just dramatically redefined success on the country’s response to the coronavirus.

Barely a month ago, Trump claimed the coronavirus would go away on its own. Then he said it paled in comparison to the 2009 H1N1 flu outbreak, which killed about 12,500 Americans. Now he’s saying that the estimates showing Covid-19 could kill 100,000 Americans — roughly equivalent to two Vietnam Wars or 38 September 11 attacks — actually reflect how effective he’s been.

During a news conference on Sunday, Trump said that a final US coronavirus death toll somewhere in the range of 100,000 to 200,000 people would indicate that his administration has “done a very good job.”

“You’re talking about 2.2 million deaths,” Trump said, referring to an Imperial College study that identified 2.2 million people as the high end of how many Americans could die if no measures were taken to slow the spread of coronavirus. “So if we can hold that down, as we’re saying, to 100,000, it’s a horrible number, maybe even less, but to 100,000, so we have between 100 [thousand] and 200,000, we altogether have done a very good job.”

“If we have between 100,000 and 200,000 we’ve all together done a very good job,” Trump says, about up to 200,000 Americans dying of #COVID19.pic.twitter.com/ricnlAbKKK

— Jason Sparks (@sparksjls) March 30, 2020
The president acknowledging that as many as 200,000 people could die from the coronavirus is a somewhat stunning admission — especially considering that as recently as last week, Trump was pushing an absurdly dangerous talking point about relaxing social distancing in time for churches to be packed on Easter. But it also previews the sort of argument he’s preparing to make during the upcoming election about how his handling of the crisis was a success — no matter the outcome, and regardless of his past statements.

It’s good that the president is finally being realistic, but it doesn’t change the fact that he spent crucial weeks dithering and downplaying
Trump’s comments on Sunday indicate that experts have talked some sense into him since last week. During an appearance on CNN earlier in the day, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, cited the same range of expected deaths as Trump did hours later.

Dr. Anthony Fauci says there could potentially be between 100,000 to 200,000 deaths related to the coronavirus and millions of cases. “I just don’t think that we really need to make a projection when it’s such a moving target, that you could so easily be wrong,” he adds. #CNNSOTU pic.twitter.com/F2MOHY3xl4

— State of the Union (@CNNSotu) March 29, 2020
But Trump’s newfound realism represents a dramatic departure from not only what he was saying last week but also (and perhaps more importantly) from what he was saying during the crucial period in February and early March, when the virus was spreading largely undetected, in part because of his government’s failure to quickly devise an effective and widely available coronavirus test.

On February 26, for instance, Trump noted that there were only 15 known cases of coronavirus in the country, and claimed that “within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” Two days later, he said, “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” There are now more than 148,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus in the country as of March 30, according to the Johns Hopkins tracker.

On March 9, Trump posted a tweet suggesting that the measures taken by state governments to shut down economic activity in hopes of slowing the spread of the virus wouldn’t be necessary because tens of thousands of people die from the flu each year (including more than 30,000 in the 2018-’19 season), yet “[n]othing is shut down, life & the economy go on.”

So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 9, 2020
During a press conference four days later, Trump compared his government’s handling of the coronavirus favorably with that of the Obama administration’s response to H1N1. “Interestingly, if you go back — please — if you go back to the swine flu, it was nothing like this,” he said. “They didn’t do testing like this. And actually, they lost approximately 14,000 people. And they didn’t do the testing. They started thinking about testing when it was far too late.”

Trump’s claim about the number of Americans who died from H1N1 in 2009 and 2010 is false. A CDC study conducted years after the fact found that about 12,500 died. And ProPublica recently detailed how the Obama administration presided over the CDC’s development of an H1N1 test that became available for use just two weeks after the first case was detected.

Trump, by contrast, oversaw a botched CDC test-development process that put the US behind the curve when it comes to detecting the spread of the coronavirus. He absurdly tried to blame Obama for this on Sunday.

"The biggest problem was the test didn't work. That was not from us. That has been there a long time" -- here's Trump trying to blame Obama for faulty coronavirus tests that were developed by the CDC earlier this year pic.twitter.com/v2zXukCpwf

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) March 29, 2020
Of course, Trump lying about Obama is no surprise. But what’s important is that instead of leveling with Americans about the coronavirus threat in a manner that likely would’ve prompted people to take greater precautions, Trump kept downplaying it as the virus spread and his government bungled the effort to start testing people. It’s good that he’s finally being realistic, but the reality is we’re now at the point where an outcome in which 100,000 Americans die sounds like getting off easy.

Consider South Korea, by contrast. South Korea and the United States reported their first coronavirus cases on the same day, January 20. But while Trump was trying to wish the virus away, South Korean officials sprung into action. The Guardian details the difference between the South Korean and US responses:

Within a week of its first confirmed case, South Korea’s disease control agency had summoned 20 private companies to the medical equivalent of a war-planning summit and told them to develop a test for the virus at lightning speed. A week after that, the first diagnostic test was approved and went into battle, identifying infected individuals who could then be quarantined to halt the advance of the disease.

Some 357,896 tests later, the country has more or less won the coronavirus war. On Friday only 91 new cases were reported in a country of more than 50 million.

The US response tells a different story. Two days after the first diagnosis in Washington state, Donald Trump went on air on CNBC and bragged: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

Not only was it not “fine,” but Trump’s rhetoric and complacency also made it worse. Instead of acknowledging those failures, however, Trump on Monday told Fox & Friends that he “[could not] imagine any president being able to do more than we’ve done.”

Trump will claim victory no matter how many Americans die
During his news conference Sunday, Trump repeatedly brought up the Imperial College study that concluded as many as 2.2 million Americans would have died from coronavirus had the government not done anything.

“A lot of people were saying, maybe we shouldn’t do anything [about the coronavirus]. Just ride it. Ride it like a cowboy. Ride that sucker right through. That’s where the 2.2 million [deaths] come in,” Trump said. “That is not acceptable.”

TRUMP: "We heard people saying maybe we should not do anything [about the coronavirus]. Ride it like a cowboy. Ride that sucker right through. That is where the 2.2 million [deaths] come in ... That is not acceptable." pic.twitter.com/5XerXRltfa

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) March 29, 2020
Trump seemed to be trying to draw a contrast between the scenario where the government literally did nothing and the path America is now on. With his reelection on the line, he set the stage to eventually proclaim that even 200,000 Americans deaths from the coronavirus would be proof that he saved lives.

We’ll never know how many people could’ve been spared had Trump taken the coronavirus more seriously early on. And it’s true that this is a truly unprecedented situation that almost any administration may have struggled with. But we do know that almost everything Trump said and did about the outbreak from January until a couple of weeks ago — with the exception of restricting travel from China after the virus had already started spreading here in the United States — was a fiasco.

Trump is trying to rewrite history. If 100,000 Americans die from the coronavirus, it would only be a successful outcome relative to the disastrous situation we now find ourselves in after weeks of wishful thinking and inaction from the president — a state of affairs that stands in contrast not only to the Obama administration’s handling of the H1N1 and the 2014 Ebola crises, but also to how governments like South Korea have responded to the current crisis.
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What is the rational for refusing help other than "we don't want to admit that we need it"? Because I'm not seeing one.
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