Wong getting challenged

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-27 10:40pm

Found this off a link at that weird ass SWvsST page that was posted. Guy seems to be trying to set himself up as a counter to Saxton.

Anywho this is the real interesting bit.

I know I've seen the nick Echelon before...

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-08-27 11:03pm

Echelon? You mean Chris O'Farrell's evil anti-Warsie android version 2.0?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-27 11:04pm

*snaps fingers*
I KNEW I'd heard it before.

Yep, I think it's the same guy here.

Silver Jedi · Post by **Silver Jedi** » 2002-08-28 12:06am

This guy is making up problems in the commentary:
in the first "Point Of Contention", as he calles it, Mr.Wong wonders why they seem to deccelerate to low warp upon entering a system (when speed is of the essence), and speculates that it may be dangerou or impossable withing the star system, to which this guy replys:

False, the head Cultist's view point pure fabrication, bias revealed.

"head cultist" (

)
[/quote]Refer to VGR "The Hunters", Warp within the graviton influence of a Black hole.

which means it is possable, not neccisarily good for the engines, and may have other inherint dangers (I'm not too familliar with the VOY Episode, but I'm guessing it was an emergency if they were in a black hole.
It's only a question of choice, for Picard's part.
Which begs the question, if speed is of the essence, why "choose" to move in so slowly?

the second "POC" is on this commentary by Mr.Wong:
Limitations of propulsion: it appears to be standard procedure to use warp drive only outside of a star system. This suggests that there are dangers involved with using warp drive inside star systems, although it can be done, as seen earlier in this episode.
to which he replies:
Refer to VGR Message in a Bottle, Warp within the graviton influence of a Black hole.
Refer to VGR's initialization of warp drive with in a star system.
He did not say warp was impossable, simply not SOP inside a star system.
It's a choice that Picard uses, nothing more and nothing less.
Which once again begs the question, why did he chose to add all the time spent wallowing at sublight to the journey?
The person who wrote that statement even contradicted himself .
Speaking of points of pure fabrication... the closest I could come to seeing a contradiction was saying it is not SOP to initiate warp within a star system, then noting that it was possable.

Mr. Wong comments that a low level (sublight) warp field would result in the "same weaknesses as warp drive" to which he replies:
Refer to VGR "The Hunters", Sub-warp within the graviton influence of a black hole is initated..
Refer to VGR's initialization of warp drive with in a star system
Which has nothing to do with anything
As for the statement of "vulnerability to various forms of interference fields", without mentioning the specific the "interference field" the statement is basically useless
I think it us pretty obvious he is refering to interfierence fields affecting warp drives (it was to me anyway...)
Safety hazards" is a pure fabrication
So then why doesn't picard want to activate warp drive within a star system (as noted above)?
This is term exist called "warp field masking", use for hiding "warp signatures"
He is refering to the part or Mr. Wong's commentary about "sharply increased visibility to enemy sensors" when using warp, which is noted in the sensor section of the database.

He concludes the document with:
Concluding comments:
~Systematic fabrication of fallacies stems from the fact that the author assumed the bias view points.
~The measuring stick that Mr Wong uses will be also applied to his statements.
~The purpose of this page is to show Mr Wong's past misdeeds, bias and lacking objectivity in a public manner. There will not attempt to silences this information, everyone has the right to know, a basic human rights under the United States and Australian law.
~This page does not recognize the authority of ASVS's rules and regulations.

to which I would reply:
1.This "systematic fabrication of fallacys" being 3 points which are not in fact fallacys
2. another

for good measure.

Where did you find this guy?

-Silver Jedi

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2002-08-28 12:22am

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Echelon? You mean Chris O'Farrell's evil anti-Warsie android version 2.0?

We never wanted to tell you this but we have no choice. The android you know as "Echelon" escaped containment two weeks ago. We have not been able to find it since. If it finds a web page to upload itself too, then God help us all......

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2002-08-28 12:37am

Chris O'Farrell wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Echelon? You mean Chris O'Farrell's evil anti-Warsie android version 2.0?
We never wanted to tell you this but we have no choice. The android you know as "Echelon" escaped containment two weeks ago. We have not been able to find it since. If it finds a web page to upload itself too, then God help us all......

Good thing he doesn't use energizers.

If he gets his hands on lithium batteries.....we're screwed!

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-28 12:49am

The site is not nearly as good as either Wong's or Saxton's. In fact, it falls for many of the same failings that DarkStar's site had. It just is not quite so large, and so it does not provide me with the material necessary to really tear it apart like a Kleenex at a snot party.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-08-28 01:01am

ROTFLMAO!!!

Out of nearly 900 entries, this guy can only make these three feeble criticisms?

People often ask why I don't spend much time attacking my critics lately. The answer (apart from "I have better things to do") is that they are frankly pathetic. When Darkstar is your biggest critic, what is there to worry about? I'll deal with him sooner or later, but I'd rather look forward to new developments.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-28 01:14am

Darth Wong, you really have nothing to worry about unless the American education system continues to degrade. Then it might be possible for there to be enough complete idiots that you would have to defend yourself against even the least rational critics. Don't worry, though, that won't be at least for another generation. As far as DarkStar goes, I am glad to see you are giving his arguments all of the careful thought and attention that they deserve.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-08-28 01:23am

Chris O'Farrell wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Echelon? You mean Chris O'Farrell's evil anti-Warsie android version 2.0?
We never wanted to tell you this but we have no choice. The android you know as "Echelon" escaped containment two weeks ago. We have not been able to find it since. If it finds a web page to upload itself too, then God help us all......

He escaped?!

YOU HAVE DOOMED US ALL!

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-08-28 01:27am

I really loved this one...

Refer to VGR "The Hunters", Warp within the graviton influence of a Black hole.

I don't recall Voyager ever being inside a black hole... black holes don't get cracks in their event horizons.

Setesh · Post by **Setesh** » 2002-08-28 04:16am

MoO is right, its no fun taking someone apart when they do all the work for you.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2002-08-28 04:33am

SPOOFE wrote:I really loved this one...

Refer to VGR "The Hunters", Warp within the graviton influence of a Black hole.
I don't recall Voyager ever being inside a black hole... black holes don't get cracks in their event horizons.

He sure has his sources twisted on that one. In Hunters, Janeway orders a subspace field activated around Voyager, before she destroys the thing keeping the black holes Gravity in check, implying (as in Generations) that a subspace field isolates something from strong gravitational effects to a degree. But they pulled away on Impulse power and the subspace field was very clearly said to be 'Sublight energy levels'. Nothing about going to warp drive...

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-08-28 05:52am

Chris O'Farrell wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Echelon? You mean Chris O'Farrell's evil anti-Warsie android version 2.0?
We never wanted to tell you this but we have no choice. The android you know as "Echelon" escaped containment two weeks ago. We have not been able to find it since. If it finds a web page to upload itself too, then God help us all......

You let it out? YOU LET IT OUT? My god man, do you realize what you've done? ...what was that sound? ...probably nothing. My nerves playing tricks on me. Anyway, whatever possessed you to...- honey, is that you? What took you so lon-.... NOOOOO!!!

[Transmission ends]

Witness · Post by **Witness** » 2002-08-28 06:04am

Darth Wong wrote:People often ask why I don't spend much time attacking my critics lately. The answer (apart from "I have better things to do") is that they are frankly pathetic. When Darkstar is your biggest critic, what is there to worry about? I'll deal with him sooner or later, but I'd rather look forward to new developments.

Critics are one of the few lesser humans that believe they can gain respect or notoriety by putting down others. I pay no attention to them, their psychological insecurities would be all too easy to point out.

Akira · Post by **Akira** » 2002-08-28 09:55am

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Chris O'Farrell wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Echelon? You mean Chris O'Farrell's evil anti-Warsie android version 2.0?
We never wanted to tell you this but we have no choice. The android you know as "Echelon" escaped containment two weeks ago. We have not been able to find it since. If it finds a web page to upload itself too, then God help us all......

He escaped?!

YOU HAVE DOOMED US ALL!

Good that was the idea.

*Hides Key to Echelon's containment*

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-08-30 02:15am

Ender wrote:Found this off a link at that weird ass SWvsST page that was posted. Guy seems to be trying to set himself up as a counter to Saxton.

Anywho this is the real interesting bit.

I know I've seen the nick Echelon before...

Echelon that pansy ass crybaby who ran away and thankfully never returned after he got his ass kicked on SB?
That echeleon/rvalencia?

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-08-30 03:21am

Yeah, I thought that name was familiar. Our glitchy AI has resurfaced. Woohoo.

This guy's a waste to debate. He couldn't debate his way out of a soggy, recycled-paper bag.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-08-30 03:23am

I believe he came quickly back and posted once or twice actually.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-08-30 04:13am

His Divine Shadow wrote:I believe he came quickly back and posted once or twice actually.

So, Akira is actually rValencia? Wooo... ph34r...

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-08-30 04:19am

Eleas wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:I believe he came quickly back and posted once or twice actually.
So, Akira is actually rValencia? Wooo... ph34r...

Akira? WTF?

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-08-30 04:44am

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Eleas wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:I believe he came quickly back and posted once or twice actually.
So, Akira is actually rValencia? Wooo... ph34r...
Akira? WTF?

*confuzzled*

Thought you said Echelon = Akira?

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2002-08-30 05:04am

Eleas wrote:*confuzzled*

Thought you said Echelon = Akira?

From the looks of it, Akira = Steve (note: not Big Steve, who is Steve here) from SpaceBattles. They have the same avatars and I'm psychic.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-08-30 05:33am

Eleas wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:
Eleas wrote: So, Akira is actually rValencia? Wooo... ph34r...
Akira? WTF?
*confuzzled*

Thought you said Echelon = Akira?

No, Echelon = Rvalencia
He was scared away for a while atleast by SPOOFE here:
http://kier.3dfrontier.com/forums/showt ... post702697

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-08-30 06:19am

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Eleas wrote: *confuzzled*

Thought you said Echelon = Akira?
No, Echelon = Rvalencia
He was scared away for a while atleast by SPOOFE here:
http://kier.3dfrontier.com/forums/showt ... post702697

Woah. That's some spanking.

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