Industrial Light & Magic was full of scale modellers and other sorts of grounded, technical people. So they put a lot of effort into making things seem consistent, ie by covering starships with modern naval greebles.
Why even have a Death Star anymore
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Yeah, like Joe Johnston (who's now a director and yet inexplicably uninvolved in Star Wars now).
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To be honest; I completely forgot about that.
I think a good reason for me forgetting about the Jedha escape jump in R1:
Was that it wasn't visually flashy or insanely SoD breaking like the crazy skip jumps or from within cargo bay scenes; but rather:
"You know, we either do this or we're dead."
Like a tabletop RPG campaign player rolling a great set of dice and pulling it off and not killing the entire party.
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While the old EU did mostly deserve to be cleaned out, due to LFL's attempt to make EVERY SINGLE LICENSED SW product fit into it, creating an unholy mess...
Disney fell back into the same old bad habits with the new Disney EU:
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Phasma%27s_armor
Phasma had the armor polished in chromium, which had been salvaged from a Naboo yacht that had once belonged to Emperor Palpatine of the Galactic Empire, the First Order's precursor
Just look at Phasma's entry:
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Phasma
It's the equivalent of a fat man having liposuction and bariatric surgery, only to keep eating a cake every night.[/quote]
And then there's this........from ROS (as if ROS wasn't a big enough mess already):
So you know that Corellian Corvette shown rising above the trees from the Resistance Base in ROS?
Turns out it's an old friend.....
Wookiepedia via Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker: The Visual Dictionary
Many years after the end of the Galactic Civil War, a former Imperial senator discovered the remains of the Tantive IV lying decrepit in a hangar in the Yarma system. Sympathetic to Leia's cause, the senator repaired the former consular ship and returned it to her as a gift. Leia used the vessel as her personal flagship from the Resistance base on Ajan Kloss. Given the lack of barracks on the moon, most of the Resistance support crew lived and slept aboard the Tantive IV when not on duty.[14] The starship was later used by the Resistance in the final battle against the Sith on Exegol.[12]
Like, I can't even.....
Just imagine the scene here:
IMPERIAL COMMANDER:
Lord Vader, we've searched the ship thoroughly. There are no signs of the plans anywhere. All memory banks on the ship have been triple wiped and scanning crews have found extensive smuggling compartments, all of them empty. The crew knows nothing.
LORD VADER:
Dispose of the ship and its crew. We cannot risk any issues with the Senate.
COMMANDER NOTH:
Right sir. I'll space the crew and have the ship sold to an anonymous scrapyard.
*LORD VADER stares at COMMANDER*
*sound of man choking to death*
*LORD VADER turns to Lieutenant VASH*
LORD VADER:
Commander Vash. Execute the crew and hard lock the ship's helm to this system's sun. Stay within this system until you are sure all trace of the ship has been vaporitzed.
COMMANDER VASH:
As you wish.
Remember, the Imperial Senate wasn't disbanded until later in A NEW HOPE; and even with the dissolution, the TANTIVE IV is too "hot" of a ship to let it survive; because it's an Alderaanian Senatorial Ship.
If you need a "Sanitized" craft for special operations, you can just find some smuggler, execute them under Imperial Law, and recycle their craft, and nobody will be the wiser.
Remember, we have all sorts of identifiers hidden all over cars nowadays to prevent theft. What's the Star Wars equivalent of a VIN?
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To elaborate on my previous musing, it's possible that the Falcon's hyperdrive modifications required a tradeoff in that disabling the safety mechanism necessitated precise and time-consuming navigational calculations.
Therefore, the Falcon couldn't just punch it from anywhere at any time like that U-wing did without risking a collision. Of course, that's where the Falcon's sublight speed and Han's piloting skills would come in handy.
In TFA, the Falcon jumped right out of the bigger ship's cargo bay, but that could be attributed to Unkar Plutt re-enabling the safety mechanism (which Han then disabled again before the mission to Starkiller Base).
Therefore, the Falcon couldn't just punch it from anywhere at any time like that U-wing did without risking a collision. Of course, that's where the Falcon's sublight speed and Han's piloting skills would come in handy.
In TFA, the Falcon jumped right out of the bigger ship's cargo bay, but that could be attributed to Unkar Plutt re-enabling the safety mechanism (which Han then disabled again before the mission to Starkiller Base).
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In the R1 U-Wing scene, K-2 does mention that he hasn't finished the calculations (which given that he's a sentient artificial intelligence, are presumably very complex) then Cassian says "fuck it" and pulls the lever. As mentioned, it's a "jump or die" moment.
The fact that K-2 was running the numbers suggests such a jump is possible under normal circumstances, but presumably the required calculations get more and more complex the deeper you are in a gravity well and/or atmosphere (you'd have a lot more variables to work in, for instance).
The fact that K-2 was running the numbers suggests such a jump is possible under normal circumstances, but presumably the required calculations get more and more complex the deeper you are in a gravity well and/or atmosphere (you'd have a lot more variables to work in, for instance).
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The only reason I can see the Tantive IV surviving was to present to the senate, with alot of dead bodies and damage, to make it look like the ship was attacked by pirates or something.
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Transcript of the scene:Eternal_Freedom wrote: ↑2020-06-25 11:51am In the R1 U-Wing scene, K-2 does mention that he hasn't finished the calculations (which given that he's a sentient artificial intelligence, are presumably very complex) then Cassian says "fuck it" and pulls the lever.
CASSIAN ANDOR: Get us out of here! Punch it!
K-2SO is at the controls, starting the hyperdrive.
K-2SO [KAY-TUESSO]: I’m not very optimistic about our odds.
CASSIAN ANDOR: Let’s not, K. Come on! Punch it.
K-2SO [KAY-TUESSO]: I haven’t completed my calculations.
CASSIAN ANDOR: I’ll make them for you.
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There's also another reason this mistake is important.
If a minor ship accident can threaten scores of rich, well protected planets due to lol hyperspace lol...
... then how come han solo and others are flying shitbuckets in the OT?
If hyperdrives had such danger from simple malfunctions, then the shipping industry would be extremely tightly regulated by the authorities, with no room for heavily modified light freighters packing 5 times the engine for their size.
If a minor ship accident can threaten scores of rich, well protected planets due to lol hyperspace lol...
... then how come han solo and others are flying shitbuckets in the OT?
If hyperdrives had such danger from simple malfunctions, then the shipping industry would be extremely tightly regulated by the authorities, with no room for heavily modified light freighters packing 5 times the engine for their size.
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"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
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I don't think it's a hyperdrive malfunction that kills the 'Legacy Run'... it sounds more like something is wrong with hyperspace itself.MKSheppard wrote: ↑2020-07-09 02:41pm There's also another reason this mistake is important.
If a minor ship accident can threaten scores of rich, well protected planets due to lol hyperspace lol...
... then how come han solo and others are flying shitbuckets in the OT?
If hyperdrives had such danger from simple malfunctions, then the shipping industry would be extremely tightly regulated by the authorities, with no room for heavily modified light freighters packing 5 times the engine for their size.
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"Bring your thousands, I have my axe."
"Bring your cannons, I have my armor."
"Bring your mighty... I am my own champion."
Cue Unit-01 ramming half the Lance of Longinus down Adam's head and a bemused Gendo, "Wrong end, son."
"Bring your cannons, I have my armor."
"Bring your mighty... I am my own champion."
Cue Unit-01 ramming half the Lance of Longinus down Adam's head and a bemused Gendo, "Wrong end, son."
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And here I thought Starship Troopers was ridiculous with the bugs on the other side of the galaxy attacking Earth and destroying many cities by shitting REALLY HARD into space.
At least that movie had Denise Richards before Charlie Sheen did.
At least that movie had Denise Richards before Charlie Sheen did.
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I thought the bug asteroids were done by the regime to justify its war, a bit like the Reichstag Fire?
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