COVID-19 ongoing thread part 2

[Solauren]

I said he LOOKED good (import for the general populace to think), not that he did good.

[Tsyroc]

I got the first part of the vaccination today. The second part is in 3 weeks.

Felt pretty weird for 30-40 minutes afterwards. Most people haven't had issues. They make everyone wait at least 15 minutes after getting the injection. I stuck around for about 30.

Hospital security escorts the pharmacy technician who brings the vaccine to the areas where it's being administered. I haven't heard of anyone actually trying to steal it but this is Tucson so who knows what some idiot might do.

[madd0ct0r]

Big UK briefing. Christmas relaxation cancelled. New more infectious variant on the loose centered on Kent and London. Doubling time seven days, previous top level restrictions relatively ineffective. After that area had rising cases under tier 4 which worked elsewhere it was thought people were being sloppy but genetic testing caught it. May have started in UK, not sure yet how spread globally it is.

More transmissible, outpaces the current disease, gone from third of new infections in Nov to two thirds new infections in Dec (in Kent). Not more deadly, and better treatment plans mean mortality rate down overall, but more cases mean more deaths and more chances for new mutations.

[Crazedwraith]

They obviously didn't want to do this before after promising a relaxed normal Christmas but it seems like the right call. The mixed messaging of not cancelling the relaxation but still exhorting people to be careful and have a smaller Christmas was appalling.

[Broomstick]

Hospital security escorts the pharmacy technician who brings the vaccine to the areas where it's being administered. I haven't heard of anyone actually trying to steal it but this is Tucson so who knows what some idiot might do.

The vaccine(s) are under guard from the factory to the arm everywhere. I haven't heard anything amiss, either, but the fact is that stuff is, in a sense, priceless, certainly worth more than its weight in gold. There are reports of wealthy people trying to buy a dose (because they're not first in line) and the offered amounts are rapidly approaching six digits. For a single dose.

Somebody somewhere is going to figure out that this stuff is worth a fuckton of money to the right people. And then we might see something unpleasant happen.

[bilateralrope]

In California, wealthy patients are offering top dollar to cut the line for a Covid-19 vaccine

By Jenn Selva, CNN

Updated 1147 GMT (1947 HKT) December 19, 2020

(CNN)While the nation continues to see record levels of new Covid-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths, wealthy patients in Southern California -- the epicenter of the state's Covid-19 crisis -- are offering to pay top dollar to cut the line and be among the first to receive a vaccine.

At a number of concierge medical practices in Southern California, doctors say they've received calls from their well-off clients asking if they can have early access to the extremely limited supply of vaccine doses in exchange for a financial contribution to a hospital or charity.

Dr. Jeff Toll, whose boutique internal medicine practice has admitting privileges at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, said one patient offered to donate $25,000 to the hospital in exchange for an early shot of the vaccine. Toll's practice services a well-heeled clientele that includes chief executives and entertainment figures, but the doctor said he is telling his patients they too must wait as the first round of vaccines are distributed to those most in need of protection.
Earlier this week, California received 327,000 doses of the Pfizer vaccine, administering the first shots to front line health care workers battling the virus that has caused more than 22,000 deaths statewide since the start of the pandemic.
"I think one of the difficult things is for physicians who take care of these high-power people to be able to say, no you have to wait," Toll said. "These people don't usually have to wait."
Toll said his practice has applied with the state of California to become a vaccine distribution center for his clients and has already purchased special ultra-cold freezers in anticipation of storing vials of the Pfizer vaccine.

'They wanted it yesterday'

Dr. David Nazarian, of My Concierge MD in Beverly Hills, said a number of his A-list clients are contacting him, saying that money is no object if it helps them get the vaccine early.
"They wanted it yesterday," said Nazarian. "We will play by the rules but are doing everything we can to secure and distribute the vaccine when its available to us."
Southern California has in recent weeks seen an unprecedented surge of new Covid-19 infections and hospitalizations, with hospital intensive care bed capacity plunging to 0% and health officials issuing dire warnings if the virus continues to spread out of control.
The founder of Concierge MD LA, Dr. Abe Malkin, said he's received over a hundred phone calls from people trying to get early access to the initial doses.
"I'd say that 5 to 10 percent of those were willing to try to make some contribution to a charity to get themselves bumped up in line," according to Malkin.

Malkin's practice has also applied to become a vaccine distributor but is focusing on the newly FDA-authorized Moderna vaccine, which will be easier to handle because it doesn't have the same extreme temperature storage requirements as the Pfizer doses.
When it comes cutting in line, California Gov. Gavin Newsom has warned the state will be "very aggressive in making sure that those with means, those with influence, are not crowding out those that are most deserving of the vaccines."
"To those that think they can get ahead of the line, and those that think because they have resources, or they have relationships that will allow them to do it. We will be monitoring that very, very, closely," Newsom said this month.
"We will prioritize, and we will expect that everyone in the health care delivery system is held to the same ethical standard of prioritizing truly, those that are most in need. And the real heroes in this pandemic are front line health care workers, and those are the folks that we must protect, and we must prioritize moving forward."

The bribery attempts have begun.

[Broomstick]

You've got people on one side swearing they won't accept the vaccine (and might even still be denying covid exists) and on the other side the bidding is rising towards six figures (if it hasn't already gone past that) to get a dose early.

I think my Christmas gift to myself this year will be to hide under the covers for a day, just a day, and not think about any of this insanity.

[Solauren]

Anyone that tried to bribe or 'donate' to get the vaccine should be noted, and either denied the vaccine until a large percentage of the population is innoculated, and they can only get taken off the list and put back to 'normal waiting status' for twice the offered bribe, or charged with wreckless endangerment for basically putting someone elses life at risk for their own benefit.

[PainRack]

It was funny..... Seeing fellow healthcare workers complain about the vaccine and how we going to be guinea pigs. But the best part is when I asked so.... If we get the bodyache and other side effects of the vaccine , do I have to go to work ?
Then this got amplified by others and management answered in the i see questions about how to stagger workers and the impact of vaccination on the roster manpower, blah blah blah.


Lol. All I wanted to know was sure, they said we are smart enough to manage the symptoms but current rules to reduce infecting patients is don't go to work if you feeling symptoms of being sick, see a doctor and see if need tested. Feels contrary and I just wanted to know if we could bum more leave.


But then again. I'm already on no pay leave due to depression and suicidal intent so..... I was trolling.

Note: I feel the same way about guinea pigs, only because Asians are definitely not one of the major races enrolled in pfizer trials and ongoing studies are being done to see if any thing is different. Its not the MRNA but the adjuvants , and more importantly, I agreed back when we didn't know if we were getting Oxford or Pfizer/Moderna. Or lol and lol, Sinovac since Phillipines is getting that. Its a different story now and I didn't need to see a long page of zoom messages asking profs and etc about vaccine side effects and us being coerced guinea pigs.

[Tsyroc]

I've only had the first part of the Pfizer vaccine and I had more side-effects than the other people I know who've gotten it. One guy did pass out. He's never done that with shots before but has done it while giving blood.

For me: Slight vertigo, flushing and general weirdness feeling for the first 40 minutes after the shot. Didn't feel the shot at all and arm never hurt.

Later that night my throat swelled up so it was difficult to swallow. Some benadryl cleared that up. Never had any trouble breathing.

I was sluggish for my entire shift the next day and that evening my spine ached like I had a fever. As far as I know I never had a fever.

After two days I felt as well as I normally do which is about fair to middlin' these days.

I get the second shot on the 10th and the rumors going around are that is when people have the most side-effects. That's what people are saying. I don't recall seeing that in any of the literature. I think we also have the Moderna vaccine on hand as well or at least it seemed like we were going to get it but it might have been sent to different parts of Arizona instead.

[PainRack]

I've only had the first part of the Pfizer vaccine and I had more side-effects than the other people I know who've gotten it. One guy did pass out. He's never done that with shots before but has done it while giving blood.

For me: Slight vertigo, flushing and general weirdness feeling for the first 40 minutes after the shot. Didn't feel the shot at all and arm never hurt.

Later that night my throat swelled up so it was difficult to swallow. Some benadryl cleared that up. Never had any trouble breathing.

I was sluggish for my entire shift the next day and that evening my spine ached like I had a fever. As far as I know I never had a fever.

After two days I felt as well as I normally do which is about fair to middlin' these days.

I get the second shot on the 10th and the rumors going around are that is when people have the most side-effects. That's what people are saying. I don't recall seeing that in any of the literature. I think we also have the Moderna vaccine on hand as well or at least it seemed like we were going to get it but it might have been sent to different parts of Arizona instead.

My friend got vaccinated already and he like it's good!!!!

My side starts next week but they trying not to have wastage due to cold chain and they also mapping out the social distancing in the queue and observation side.

"Nursing will rise to the challenge. " My boss ain't wrong but gods, I'm infinitely grateful that times like these, management promotes by assessing EQ and not IQ. I cannot reiterate the sacrifices and hard work every senior staff has to pull.

[Tsyroc]

Most of the people I know had no issues with the vaccine other than maybe it made their shoulder sore.

I've had three other vaccines in that shoulder this year so I figure it has toughened up so it didn't feel this shot. Plus the needles they were using were very long and thin.

Apparently there's a little overfill in the Pfizer vaccine vials so they can usually get an extra shot or two out of them. I know the first day of vaccination they got a couple of people from the pharmacy to come down and get vaccinated so they wouldn't waste any doses.

[Jub]

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I figured I'd tag you because I think you'll approve of BCs priority lists for COVID vaccination.

The first groups to get vaccinated between December and February:

Residents, staff and essential visitors to long-term care and assisted-living residences
Individuals in hospital or community awaiting a long-term care placement
Health care workers providing care for COVID-19 patients in settings like Intensive Care Units, emergency departments, medical/surgical units and paramedics
Remote and isolated First Nations communities

From February to March, the immunization program will expand:

Community-based seniors, age 80 and above; Indigenous elders and Indigenous seniors, age 65 and above
People experiencing homelessness and/or using shelters
Provincial correctional facilities
Adults in group homes or mental health residential care.
Long term home support recipients and staff
Hospital staff, community GPs and medical specialists
Other First Nations communities not vaccinated in first priority group

[Tribble]

Looks like “deliberate sabotage” can now be included on the list of potential vaccine issues:

Wisconsin health worker fired after ‘intentionally’ spoiling COVID-19 vaccine doses

A Wisconsin health-care worker has been fired after admitting they intentionally removed dozens of vials of Moderna’s coronavirus vaccine from a pharmacy refrigerator, forcing more than 500 doses to be thrown out.

Advocate Aurora Health said in a statement that the individual admitted to their action on Wednesday after the company was led to believe the incident, which happened last weekend, was due to human error.

“We are more than disappointed that this individual’s actions will result in a delay of more than 500 people receiving their vaccine,” the company said.

“This was a violation of our core values, and the individual is no longer employed by us.”

The company said it has notified “appropriate authorities” for further investigation. It did not explain further why the vials were removed.

The incident happened overnight on Dec. 26 at the Aurora Medical Center in Grafton, a town nearly 40 kilometres north of Milwaukee.

Advocate Aurora Health originally said on Monday that over 50 vials of the Moderna vaccine were removed from a refrigerator to access other items but were not replaced. Each vial contains 10 doses of the vaccine.

“While some of the vaccine was administered to team members on Dec. 26 within the approved 12-hour post-refrigeration window, unfortunately most of it had to be discarded due to the temperature storage requirements necessary to maintain its viability,” the company said then.

Wednesday’s statement confirmed a total of 57 vials were removed.

Moderna’s vaccine, which was approved in the U.S. on Dec. 19, needs to be kept at freezing temperatures during storage and in refrigeration prior to being administered.

Wisconsin’s Department of Health Services says it has administered 47,157 doses of the vaccine as of Tuesday, 6,306 of which were made by Moderna.

The state has been allocated over 265,000 doses of both the Moderna and the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines, and has received nearly 157,000 of those shots to date.

Earlier this month, Trump administration officials said they planned to have 20 million doses of the vaccine distributed across the country by the end of the year. But according to data provided by the Centers for Disease Control, just over 11.4 million doses have been distributed and only 2.1 million people have received their first dose.

On Tuesday, President-elect Joe Biden warned that at the current pace, “it’s gonna take years, not months, to vaccinate the American people.”

–With files from the Associated Press

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews. ... oiled/amp/

[Broomstick]

Looks like “deliberate sabotage” can now be included on the list of potential vaccine issues:

It's always been a possibility, that's why the doses are shipped from the factory under guard. It's the "medical worker sabotages vaccine" that was apparently not foreseen.

[LadyTevar]

Yesterday, the County Sheriff put out an announcement that Fayette County had been given 100 doses, and they were going to distributed First Come First Serve to adults 80yrs and older today from 2p-5p.

I told my Mom. She wasn't sure. I gently offered suggestions. She called my Paramedic eldest brother, who told her "up to you, Ma." I backed off, told her "up to her, but she was going to be in the area for a doctor appointment anyway."

When I left for my job interview, Mom was still debating, citing lack of parking, citing the crowds that'd be there, etc. etc.
I was running early, so I stopped for a snack break, and that's when I got a FB Message from my cousin, telling me her sister was one of the ones giving out the shots, and she was 'saving one for Aunt Maggie'.
So I called Mom, passed the message. Mom said she was 'getting ready to go', so I guess she'd decided she'd go see how bad the line was. Hearing that her great-niece was there, and looking out for her probably was the final decider.

I posted about the job interview in HOS Venting. Mom's doctor appointment is 4pm, so I'll have to wait a little longer before I verify if she got the shot or not.

Heard on the radio coming back from the job interview that West Virginia was vaccinating all nursing homes, care centers, etc., and electronic tallies were showing WV was showing a better turnout than the surrounding states.

[PainRack]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/31/us/p ... virus.html

You’re killing me! This whole thing is! We’ve got all the damn cases,” Mr. Trump yelled at Jared Kushner, his son-in-law and senior adviser, during a gathering of top aides in the Oval Office on Aug. 19. “I want to do what Mexico does. They don’t give you a test till you get to the emergency room and you’re vomiting.”

Throughout late summer and fall, in the heat of a re-election campaign that he would go on to lose, and in the face of mounting evidence of a surge in infections and deaths far worse than in the spring, Mr. Trump’s management of the crisis — unsteady, unscientific and colored by politics all year — was in effect reduced to a single question: What would it mean for him?

Really says it all.....

[PainRack]

https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-pharmacist-steven-brandenburg-ac00faee3cf10a9558665d472123b96c



So. He believed the vaccine would cause the DNA to be changed.



While the original basis of these claims come from antivax , in particular the fetus DNA will alter yours



The current copypasta is actually from QAnon flirtation with antivax.



https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3837332892958172&id=100000444973376

I THINK YOU HAD ALL BETTER READ THIS:



Pay attention:



"I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I have a PhD in computer science my partner has a PhD in Chemistry, based on research in the area of Biological Synthesis of Pharmaceutically Active Molecules



All of those considering taking, or being bribed into taking this vaccine, with the promise of freedoms restored that you already had and have conceded...



1) You do realise this is not a normal vaccine, yes?



2) You recognise that this permanently and irreversibly changes your DNA?



3) You fully understand that this has never been done before in the history of mankind and there is not a single person on this planet who truly knows what the outcome is?



4) You are totally aware, that if anything does go wrong, you have no come back and cannot be treated?



Just checking you know what I know, Also if you still think Covid is real and very dangerous then ask yourself these questions:



Why are GP's not isolating? dying?



Why are frontline staff not isolating? dying?



Why are police officers not isolating? dying?



Why are soldiers not isolating? dying?



Why are bus drivers not isolating? dying?



Why are most hospitals empty?



Why are testing centres empty?



Why is it that 96% of people testing positive are mask wearers?



Why is it bacterial pneumonia is on the rise because of mask wearing? Yet it's kept hush hush.



Why is it that large conglomerates can stay open whilst small businesses of the same industry are bullied into shutting?



Why is it that the BBC was funded by Bill Gates to peddle pro Covid propaganda?



Why is it that the biggest censorship campaign is now in force?



Why is it that if you even question the narrative you believe the earth is flat and that lizard people exist?



Why is it that the 'Great Reset' is being openly advertised yet people still deny it?



Why is it that in Wuhan people were dropping dead in the streets yet it's happening nowhere else?



Why is it that the mainstream media are using crisis actors and dummies to peddle fear?



Why is it that our police force has undergone a huge militarisation?



Why has police brutality skyrocketed?



Why are the fact-check websites funded by the same elites that are funding the media for pro covid propaganda?



Why is Google blacklisting well documented science that disproves all this pro covid science?



Why is Google blacklisting anything that questions the narrative?



If this virus was so deadly then why:



Would you need a test to tell you that you've got it?



Why are graveyards and crematoriums not overflowing?



Why are hospitals not overwhelmed to the point of everything else is fully cancelled?



Why are people not dropping dead like in Wuhan?



Why do you need an app to tell you to isolate?



Why has China gone back to 'normal' without a vaccine?



Why has Covid-19 never been isolated?



"Hell on earth is looking in the mirror and wondering what could of been"



The next stage of the Covid1984 Operation is to "deploy" the vaccine amongst the public.



The "authorities" know that a lot of people who accept the lockdown measures and who accept wearing masks to "protect the common good" are unhappy about having rushed vaccine injected into them.



So to deter them the media is now in over drive to portray those with reservations as "dangerous anti-vaxxers". Despite the fact that a lot of people with reservations are not anti vax, not anti science, not anti medicine or pharmacetical drugs. They're just anti not having a choice about whether to have this vaccine or not.



By labelling all Covid Vacine hesitant or refusers as crazed anti science conpiracy theorists it creates an US vs Them dialectic that will then be used to create a conflict where those who say no to the vaccine will be blamed by those content to roll up their sleeves and have it for preventing the country from moving out of rolling lockdowns and "back to normal".



Articles like this are programming the minds of people in society to "choose a side" which can then be pitted against each other and via the divide and rule technique ultimately control us all. How about we respect one another's right to choose what we do with our own bodies and decide for ourselves whether we have the vaccine or not rather than force one another's choice on the other instead?



They are called "our own bodies" for a reason.... we own our own bodies. Our bodies are our property and as such no one else has the right to tell us what we should put in or on our bodies. Those claiming that right are saying in not so many words that they own us and have the right to control us against our wishes as that is....slavery.



So ‘Moderna’ have come out with a better vaccine which is 95% effective ....



Remember my prediction back in April?



I said out of hundreds of companies across the world, Moderna will be the ones who bring this vaccine to market!! How do we know this?



Because it’s all planned!!



Moderna have NEVER brought a human vaccine to market before, they are also using RNA which has NEVER been used in vaccines before and they were bailed out of bankruptcy in 2010 by wait for it Dr Fauci and Gates!! (Year might be wrong but it’s close)



Shall I tell you why I think they’ve never brought a human vaccine to market b4. I think it’s because they never planned too, look at their name ‘MOD e RNA’ they specialise in modifying DNA by using RNA!



They have been waiting for this moment for years!!!



The time has come ...



no one knows what the side effects will be after a few years (I have my own idea what will happen when you mix a virus with human dna but I’ll leave it there for now)



Please just look things up for yourself, start with the history and set up of the MSM because knowing they’re lying to you is step 1.



Things are going to be hard for the ones who don’t accept this vaccine but no one should sell their soul to the devil (literally)."



Keep safe people!



Dr. Wesley A Kitikonti

So.... Domestic terrorist charges anyone ?

[Broomstick]

I have a PhD in computer science my partner has a PhD in Chemistry, based on research in the area of Biological Synthesis of Pharmaceutically Active Molecules

In other words, neither of you know jack shit about actual vaccines.

I didn't really need to read further, although I did, because I have a perverse interest in nutjobs.

[Khaat]

Aw! But I need my DNA to be changed, so I can be one of the Lizard People Overlords! Stop standing in the way of my plans for world domination, Chet!

[EnterpriseSovereign]

Well it's already been flagged as bullshit, albeit charitably labelled as partly false

[Solauren]

I have a PhD in computer science my partner has a PhD in Chemistry, based on research in the area of Biological Synthesis of Pharmaceutically Active Molecules

In other words, neither of you know jack shit about actual vaccines.

I didn't really need to read further, although I did, because I have a perverse interest in nutjobs.

It's formatting, grammar, and sentence structure was also very lacking. (And I'm pointing that out, which is saying something)

[EnterpriseSovereign]

As expected, UK is back in second lockdown as cases reach a record high with some estimates putting 1 in 50 people in England being infected.

[Tsyroc]

Whatever the people who think this is no worse than the flu or a hoax my hospital has been constantly increasing our ICU space as well as negative pressure rooms so we can handle more covid and critical patients. We've never done that because of the flu. We're currently setting up one of our recovery rooms to be able to hold and treat more regular ICU patients.

Today we have 155 (down from 165) covid positive patients out of 430 total patients, with about a dozen pending results. We currently are not doing elective surgeries because we just don't have the staffing for them. Everyone is getting burnt out. It's a never ending battle to keep the ICU spaces stocked with the meds the covid patients are sucking down. Propofol, fentanyl, dexmedetomidine, norepinephrine, etc... The fentanyl and dexmedetomidine (precedex) we've moved to using 250ml bags or bottles so the fast running items don't have to be changed every hour or so but even those go fast.

With the covid patients who are on ventilators the IV poles that all of their intravenous meds are hanging on are kept outside the room so the nurses don't have to put on all of the personal protective equipment (PPE) so often. It's better for them and helps conserve the PPE. The drawback being that the tubing for all of those meds is running a lot further than it would normally run. That has to be taken into consideration when supplying medications, especially new starts since priming the tubing can often use up a big portion of the bag/bottle.

We're having staffing issues with the vaccine administration clinics as well. Everyone is already so busy and burnt out that they don't want to put in more overtime helping with the vaccines. The clinics are expanding their hours soon to 0700-1900 daily. Today my manager sent out an email asking for volunteers from the pharmacy to help draw up vaccines. You have to be certified to be able to administer them. Some of our pharmacists and interns can do that and have been helping.

Currently people getting the first doses of the vaccine are getting the Moderna vaccine. The people getting their second dose are getting the Pfizer vaccine. The storage and handling of the Moderna vaccine is much easier to deal with. We keep it in a regular refrigerator while the Pfizer vaccine is in the -70C freezer except for when it is thawing overnight and then it's in a refrigerator.

[Bedlam]

As expected, UK is back in second lockdown as cases reach a record high with some estimates putting 1 in 50 people in England being infected.

It's the third actually there was one November / December as well, although it might depend how you define lockdown as it wasn't entirely national, just most of the population.