Hatred of the French

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-04-02 06:44am

I hesitate to ask, but why do so many of you detest the French?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-04-02 06:59am

i don't hate the French. I don't like the French government, and i am angry that a self described ally would allow rampant anti-Americanism and anti -Semitism to flourish. The kicker for me is that a quarter of France (source: Le Monde/TF1) actually wants a murderous dictator's regime to defeat the US and UK alliance.

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2003-04-02 07:15am

NecronLord wrote:I hesitate to ask, but why do so many of you detest the French?

I would suggest that some people have merely jumped on the band-wagon and bash france because it is a popular thing to do and dare I say caused by a little puffed-up pride.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-04-02 07:26am

I think it's because of the French extremists who did some outrageous things during last two weeks.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-04-02 07:33am

I'm English so it's only natural after fighting them 400 years or so.

That and of the few times I've been to that country I've never met anyone really nice like other foreigners such as American, Canadians, Chinese, Germans etc.

Their arrogance gets to me as well, even my dad who was a Francophile a few years back can't see why he liked them like he used to.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-04-02 07:55am

I dunno. its something like a grand tradition over here. mention the french, you get some laughs.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-04-02 08:01am

Enforcer Talen

its something like a grand tradition over here. mention the french, you get some laughs.

Hmm... And why such a tradition exists?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-04-02 10:47am

I sure as hell don't get it.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-02 12:09pm

That's kind of a self-answering question. That's like asking a Canadian why he hates Quebec separatists.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-02 12:14pm

NecronLord wrote:I hesitate to ask, but why do so many of you detest the French?

Simple as a culture and nation they're faithless allies and thankless friends; they're obnoxious and obstructionist with out being constructive at all, and they have incredibley poor behaviour.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-04-02 12:20pm

Not to put too fine a point on it, but a lot of us don't give a fuck where you're from or what you look like or even how you think the world should be run.

Basically, I hate a person who is either STUPID or EVIL. I don't have the time or need to pile them all up into racial and religious and political groups.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-04-02 12:23pm

Actually, most French aren't that bad. It's the socialists in Paris that are overly zealous and make everyone else look bad.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-04-02 12:53pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:Actually, most French aren't that bad. It's the socialists in Paris that are overly zealous and make everyone else look bad.

Exactly.

With leadership like Chirac, what do you expect?

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-04-02 12:57pm

The French (gov't and jingoists) attack America for things like power, arrogance, influence, 'domination', etc-- but in reality they would replace American "dominance" with their own form in a heartbeat if they could, so I find their position to be hypocritical.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-04-02 01:21pm

Coyote wrote:The French (gov't and jingoists) attack America for things like power, arrogance, influence, 'domination', etc-- but in reality they would replace American "dominance" with their own form in a heartbeat if they could, so I find their position to be hypocritical.

Of course they would. They're socialists. Which means they believe that everyone should be socialist, too, dammit. (heh) So one of two things should happen.

1. The US should lose the power that they have so that they're eye-level with France, or

2. France should have someone fund their military development so that they can be a superpower like the US.

...It's all about equality.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-04-02 01:22pm

Nathan F wrote:
Kelly Antilles wrote:Actually, most French aren't that bad. It's the socialists in Paris that are overly zealous and make everyone else look bad.
Exactly.

With leadership like Chirac, what do you expect?

Actually, Chirac, in France is considered a conservative. Imagine a socialist nutcase like Lionel Jospin running things! eek!

On a side note, my Grandfather has a timeshare on the Island of St. Martin. he goes once or twice a year. (for those who don't know, half of the Island is controlled by France and Half is controlled by The Netherlands.) Anyway, the French side of the Island was so empty it looked evacuated! The Dutch side? packed! Hmmmm, i wonder why.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-04-02 01:28pm

...Still, at least Le Pen has no chance...I hope...

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-04-02 01:31pm

Stormbringer wrote:
NecronLord wrote:I hesitate to ask, but why do so many of you detest the French?
Simple as a culture and nation they're faithless allies

How?

and thankless friends

Gawd not WW2 again. It was almost 60 years ago. What have you done for them recently? How would you like it if they kept on about how they helped you in the US war of independance?

they're obnoxious and obstructionist

Reason?

with out being constructive at all,

Reason?

and they have incredibley poor behaviour.

Such as?

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-04-02 01:36pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
Nathan F wrote:
Kelly Antilles wrote:Actually, most French aren't that bad. It's the socialists in Paris that are overly zealous and make everyone else look bad.
Exactly.

With leadership like Chirac, what do you expect?
Actually, Chirac, in France is considered a conservative. Imagine a socialist nutcase like Lionel Jospin running things! eek!

On a side note, my Grandfather has a timeshare on the Island of St. Martin. he goes once or twice a year. (for those who don't know, half of the Island is controlled by France and Half is controlled by The Netherlands.) Anyway, the French side of the Island was so empty it looked evacuated! The Dutch side? packed! Hmmmm, i wonder why.

Actually, it's because the Dutch side of Sint Maarten (as the locals spell it) is the is the touristy side, and the French side has the airport. The French side is sort of the native residential side; it's like the part of Puerto Rico that the tourist never sees because it's ugly. I just got back from spring break on Sint Maarten. So that makes me a leading authority.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-04-02 01:37pm

Well, I don't know whynthey're so hated myself, and believe that those people who peddled the "Freedom Fries" nonsense were being immature.

Still, I don't like the French. Probably because nobody else likes them or something.

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2003-04-02 01:49pm

I hesitate to ask, but why do so many of you detest the French?

IMHO, it goes back to the relationships between DeG, FDR, and Churchill during the war.

FDR cordially despised DeGaulle and thought he was a would-be tinpot dictator with delusions of grandeur. DeGaulle resented the ensuing loss of French power and glory during and after the war, even as he resented what he derisively called Anglo-Saxon hegemony. Churchill was caught in the middle between the two and lamented that of all the crosses he had to bear, the heaviest one was the Cross of Lorraine.

Some say that France's initial veto of the UK's entry into the common market was motivated by his dislike of England and the English that carried over from the war than by any logical reasoning.

By the same token, France's withdrawal from NATO's military structure during the 1960's was partially motivated by the Gaullist dislike of the US.

Anyway, that's my opinion.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-04-02 01:54pm

What does Franklin Delano Roosevelt have to do with anything? Again all of that was 40+ years ago. Why do modern Americans complain about the french so much?

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-04-02 02:00pm

Stormbringer wrote:
NecronLord wrote:I hesitate to ask, but why do so many of you detest the French?
Simple as a culture and nation they're faithless allies and thankless friends; they're obnoxious and obstructionist with out being constructive at all, and they have incredibley poor behaviour.

Careful, kid. My wife is French. So is her family. Are you suggesting they have poor behaviour, or that they are obnoxious or obstructionist or unsupportive, simply because they are French?

I wonder how many French people those who cross the line between 'making fun' and 'declaring hatred' know personally, anyway, or if they get their opinion about the French from CNN and American history books.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-04-02 02:01pm

NecronLord wrote:What does Franklin Delano Roosevelt have to do with anything? Again all of that was 40+ years ago. Why do modern Americans complain about the french so much?

Because humans hold grudges for millenia. Look at the NAACP, for example.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-04-02 02:04pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:Because humans hold grudges for millenia. Look at the NAACP, for example.

Excuse me, but the NAACP was founded as a civil rights group, and civil rights are CONSTANTLY relevant. African-Americans don't bear a grudge against white people. The NAACP is there to deal with CURRENT race issues, not the unsettled injuries of a time long passed.

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