BREAKING NEWS: FBI RAIDS TRUMP RESIDENCE IN MAR-A-LAGO FOR CLASSIFIED NUCLEAR DOCUMENTS, AMONG OTHERS

[GrosseAdmiralFox]

Per the last linked news article:

The Justice Department has not disclosed to Trump’s legal team which materials it believes have not been returned, according to one source.

What's the likely chances that the DOJ knows of the existence of some documents that Trump has but shouldn't have.... whether this is to provide time for the Trump team to dig their own hole (how is it not dep enough already?) or more likely just regardless of what the Trump team says they just doubt everything has been searched/found/turned over.

Remember what Napoleon said about not correcting an enemy's mistakes? It applies here.

Basically, the DoJ is simply letting Trump and Friends dig themselves to the point that they would likely get a 'dismissed with prejudice' (i.e. bring it up ever again and it's an auto-victory on your opponent, and you get to pay the legal fees for wasting everyones' time) on any further attempts. Like how Harmony Gold got such a label slapped on their attempts at trademark shenanigans a few years back.

[bilateralrope]

Trump used folder bearing ‘classified’ wording to block light keeping him awake at night, lawyer says

“He has one of those landline telephones next to his bed, and it has a blue light on it, and it keeps him up at night,” Trump lawyer Tim Parlatore told CNN. He added, “So now the president has to find a different way to keep the blue light out of his eyes.”
Feb. 14, 2023, 6:19 AM NZDT
By Summer Concepcion

A lawyer for former President Donald Trump shared a surprising explanation for what Trump was doing at his Mar-a-Lago resort with a folder bearing "classified" wording that was recently turned over to federal investigators.

The lawyer, Tim Parlatore, was asked in a CNN interview Sunday about what he said was an empty folder labeled “classified evening summary” that was given to investigators. Parlatore described the folder as “one of the more humorous aspects of this whole thing.”

The folder was in Trump’s bedroom at his estate in Palm Beach, Florida, and he was using it help him sleep better at night, Parlatore said.

“He has one of those landline telephones next to his bed, and it has a blue light on it, and it keeps him up at night,” Parlatore said. “So he took the manila folder and he put it over it so that it would keep the light down so he could sleep at night.”

Despite being labeled with the words “classified evening summary,” the folder did not bear classified markings, and it was empty, Parlatore said.

"It is not a classification marking," he said. "It's not anything that is controlled in any way. There's nothing illegal about it. There's nothing in it."

But the Justice Department “went crazy” when it found out about it, he said.

“They actually gave me a subpoena to say give us over this empty folder that means nothing,” he continued.

Asked how investigators found out about the folder next to Trump’s bed, Parlatore said Trump’s legal team wrote reports about the places it searched for classified documents and shared the information with investigators.

“And when they read that, and they saw, oh, there’s this folder here that is so far outside of the scope of the subpoena or anything else, they demanded it back,” Parlatore said.

“So now the president has to find a different way to keep the blue light out of his eyes.”

Trump’s legal team voluntarily turned over the folder, which it said was found at Mar-a-Lago, to the Justice Department last month, a senior law enforcement official said last week.

It is unclear what level of classification markings were on the folder or what it might have contained.

The Justice Department has continued efforts to recover classified documents from Trump after FBI agents searched his Florida residence with a warrant last year. Agents found more than 100 documents with classification markings after Trump’s lawyers said he had returned all documents with classified markings from the White House, Justice Department officials said in court filings in August. Two more documents with classified markings were found at a storage facility not far from Mar-a-Lago in December and were turned over to the FBI.

A “small number” of classified documents were also found at former Vice President Mike Pence’s Indiana home last month, according to his lawyer. The FBI discovered an additional classified document at Pence’s Indiana home during a voluntary five-hour search Friday.

Obama-era classified documents were found in President Joe Biden’s Delaware home and an office at the Penn Biden Center in Washington, D.C.

There are many better ways to deal with that little light on the phone. But Trump had to use a folder marked classified.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

Trump used folder bearing ‘classified’ wording to block light keeping him awake at night, lawyer says

“He has one of those landline telephones next to his bed, and it has a blue light on it, and it keeps him up at night,” Trump lawyer Tim Parlatore told CNN. He added, “So now the president has to find a different way to keep the blue light out of his eyes.”
Feb. 14, 2023, 6:19 AM NZDT
By Summer Concepcion

A lawyer for former President Donald Trump shared a surprising explanation for what Trump was doing at his Mar-a-Lago resort with a folder bearing "classified" wording that was recently turned over to federal investigators.

The lawyer, Tim Parlatore, was asked in a CNN interview Sunday about what he said was an empty folder labeled “classified evening summary” that was given to investigators. Parlatore described the folder as “one of the more humorous aspects of this whole thing.”

The folder was in Trump’s bedroom at his estate in Palm Beach, Florida, and he was using it help him sleep better at night, Parlatore said.

“He has one of those landline telephones next to his bed, and it has a blue light on it, and it keeps him up at night,” Parlatore said. “So he took the manila folder and he put it over it so that it would keep the light down so he could sleep at night.”

Despite being labeled with the words “classified evening summary,” the folder did not bear classified markings, and it was empty, Parlatore said.

"It is not a classification marking," he said. "It's not anything that is controlled in any way. There's nothing illegal about it. There's nothing in it."

But the Justice Department “went crazy” when it found out about it, he said.

“They actually gave me a subpoena to say give us over this empty folder that means nothing,” he continued.

Asked how investigators found out about the folder next to Trump’s bed, Parlatore said Trump’s legal team wrote reports about the places it searched for classified documents and shared the information with investigators.

“And when they read that, and they saw, oh, there’s this folder here that is so far outside of the scope of the subpoena or anything else, they demanded it back,” Parlatore said.

“So now the president has to find a different way to keep the blue light out of his eyes.”

Trump’s legal team voluntarily turned over the folder, which it said was found at Mar-a-Lago, to the Justice Department last month, a senior law enforcement official said last week.

It is unclear what level of classification markings were on the folder or what it might have contained.

The Justice Department has continued efforts to recover classified documents from Trump after FBI agents searched his Florida residence with a warrant last year. Agents found more than 100 documents with classification markings after Trump’s lawyers said he had returned all documents with classified markings from the White House, Justice Department officials said in court filings in August. Two more documents with classified markings were found at a storage facility not far from Mar-a-Lago in December and were turned over to the FBI.

A “small number” of classified documents were also found at former Vice President Mike Pence’s Indiana home last month, according to his lawyer. The FBI discovered an additional classified document at Pence’s Indiana home during a voluntary five-hour search Friday.

Obama-era classified documents were found in President Joe Biden’s Delaware home and an office at the Penn Biden Center in Washington, D.C.

There are many better ways to deal with that little light on the phone. But Trump had to use a folder marked classified.

My old bedside light had a little green LED on it by the USB port that is very visible to night-adjusted eyes. You know what I did? I covered it with my phone!

[GrosseAdmiralFox]

Welp, the indictment is here, and the usual suspects are trying to #bothsame shit... again... in the comments.

[bilateralrope]

Welp, the indictment is here, and the usual suspects are trying to #bothsame shit... again... in the comments.

If you want to have some fun with them, point out that the DOJ has decided that Pence won't be charged over the documents found in his home.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

Welp, the indictment is here, and the usual suspects are trying to #bothsame shit... again... in the comments.

If you want to have some fun with them, point out that the DOJ has decided that Pence won't be charged over the documents found in his home.

I just did

[bilateralrope]

This article is from monday.

Exclusive: Mar-a-Lago pool flood raises suspicions among prosecutors in Trump classified documents case

By Katelyn Polantz, Jeremy Herb and Kaitlan Collins, CNN
Updated 7:07 PM EDT, Mon June 5, 2023

Washington CNN — An employee at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence drained the resort’s swimming pool last October and ended up flooding a room where computer servers containing surveillance video logs were kept, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

While it’s unclear if the room was intentionally flooded or if it happened by mistake, the incident occurred amid a series of events that federal prosecutors found suspicious.

At least one witness has been asked by prosecutors about the flooded server room as part of the federal investigation into Trump’s handling of classified documents, according to one of the sources.

The incident, which has not been previously reported, came roughly two months after the FBI retrieved hundreds of classified documents from the Florida residence and as prosecutors obtained surveillance footage to track how White House records were moved around the resort. Prosecutors have been examining any effort to obstruct the Justice Department’s investigation after Trump received a subpoena in May 2022 for classified documents.

Prosecutors have heard testimony that the IT equipment in the room was not damaged in the flood, according to one source.

Yet the flooded room as well as conversations and actions by Trump’s employees while the criminal investigation bore down on the club has caught the attention of prosecutors. The circumstances may factor into a possible obstruction conspiracy case, multiple sources tell CNN, as investigators try to determine whether the events of last year around Mar-a-Lago indicate that Trump or a small group of people working for him, took steps to try to interfere with the Justice Department’s evidence-gathering.

Subpoenas for surveillance

Agents first subpoenaed the Trump Organization for Mar-a-Lago surveillance footage last summer, before the August search by the FBI. But as more classified documents were found through the end of last year, investigators sought more surveillance footage from the Trump Organization, sources tell CNN. That included an additional subpoena after the FBI search in August and a request from the Justice Department for the Trump Organization to preserve additional footage in late October, according to one of the sources.

At least two dozen people – from Mar-a-Lago resort staff to members of Trump’s inner circle at the Florida estate – have been subpoenaed to testify in front of the federal grand jury investigating the former president’s handling of classified documents and possible obstruction of justice, CNN previously reported.

Prosecutors for special counsel Jack Smith have been asking questions in recent months about the handling of surveillance footage at Mar-a-Lago resort and discussions Trump’s employees had about the surveillance system after the subpoena last summer for the footage, according to multiple sources.

Recently, investigators have asked questions indicating they are trying to determine if workers at Mar-a-Lago received specific direction from above, particularly from Trump himself, to obstruct the investigation.

Investigators have in recent weeks asked Trump employees whether it’s possible there are gaps in the surveillance footage that was turned over, and whether it could have been tampered with, according to the sources. That detail was first reported by the New York Times. The special counsel’s office declined to comment for this story.

Focus on Trump employees

Prosecutors from the special counsel’s office have focused their obstruction inquiries around Trump, Trump’s body man Walt Nauta and a maintenance worker who helped Nauta move boxes of classified documents ahead of federal agents searching the property last summer, and potentially others, sources told CNN.

The sources say that the maintenance worker is the person who drained the pool that led to the flooding of the IT room where the surveillance footage was held.

Last month, longtime Trump Organization executives Matthew Calamari Sr. and his son Matthew Calamari Jr., who each held senior roles overseeing security at Trump properties and the surveillance of the Florida club, appeared before the grand jury.

At the time, Investigators were interested in both the maintenance worker’s conversations and a text message from Nauta to Calamari Sr. where Nauta asked to talk. An attorney for Nauta declined to comment for this story. A spokesman for Trump and an attorney representing the maintenance worker did not immediately respond to a request to comment.

Moving Boxes

In addition to asking about the surveillance tapes, prosecutors have questioned witnesses about Nauta and the maintenance worker moving boxes after the Justice Department first subpoenaed Trump for classified documents last May.

Three weeks after that subpoena, Trump’s attorney Evan Corcoran searched a storage room where boxes with documents from the White House had been kept. Corcoran found about three dozen classified documents, and he turned them over to FBI agents the following day when investigators came to Mar-a-Lago on June 3.

Corcoran told the DOJ at the time that he was led to believe by many people that there were no additional classified or White House documents at the resort and that all White House documents would be in the storage room when he searched it.

But surveillance footage that was subsequently turned over to the Justice Department showed Nauta and the maintenance worker moving document boxes around the resort, including into that storage room just before Corcoran searched it for classified documents. Corcoran handed over 38 records he found to the FBI the next day, yet the FBI found more than a hundred more documents with classified markings in August, both in Trump’s office and in the storage room.

The Justice Department has subsequently said in court that it believes “government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room.”

Detailed notes Corcoran took from that time period about his efforts representing Trump also made no mention that he was aware of any boxes of documents being moved in or out of the storage room he was directed to search to comply with the DOJ’s demands, one source told CNN.

Earlier this year, prosecutors took the extraordinary step of subpoenaing Corcoran, arguing that attorney-client privilege did not apply because his discussions with the former president may have been part of Trump’s attempt to advance a crime. In March, a judge ordered Corcoran, who has recused himself from representing Trump in the Mar-a-Lago case, to provide additional testimony. The sealed court proceeding made clear, sources have told CNN, that Corcoran is not a target of the investigation.

When Nauta spoke to the FBI last year, he initially said he hadn’t handled boxes or sensitive documents at Mar-a-Lago, CNN previously reported. But after the FBI obtained the surveillance footage, he changed his story and said Trump had directed him to move the boxes, according to the previous CNN reporting. Nauta stopped speaking with investigators last fall after changing attorneys.

The maintenance worker more recently spoke to investigators in an interview, and his phone has been seized, some of the sources now tell CNN. Neither has been charged with any crime.

This should lead to some interesting testimony in the trial(s). Maybe an attempt to explain how someone accidently drains a pool into a room, maybe pointing fingers at who gave the order.

[Solauren]

The only way I can see that happening by accident was

... the security server room was near the pool in question
... whomever was draining the pool put it in an in/out for the central air conditioning instead of the valve for a storage tank.
... the person doing it was new and didn't speak a common language with anyone very well (if at all)

[Zaune]

Or there's a third possibility: Trump either insulted whoever was doing the work, tried to stiff them on their agreed fee or both and they accidentally-on-purpose flooded the basement out of spite.

[Elfdart]

One encouraging sign is that right-wing mouth-breathers are starting to turn on one another:

Mediaite

Ann Coulter Mocks Charlie Kirk by Calling on ‘Every Republican to Commit Suicide in Solidarity With Trump’

Conservative author Ann Coulter jokingly(?) called on “every Republican to commit suicide in solidarity” with former President Donald Trump on Friday after Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk encouraged Trump’s rivals to drop out of the Republican primary in solidarity with Trump over his indictment.

Following news of Trump’s indictment on Thursday, Kirk proposed that “every ‘Republican’ running for President should suspend their campaign and go to Miami as a show of support” for Trump.

“If you don’t, you are part of the problem,” he claimed, adding, “Either we have an opposition party or we don’t. GO to Miami Tuesday, and show solidarty or we will mark you as part of the oppsition [sic].”

Reacting on Friday to Mediaite’s article on Kirk’s comments, Coulter mocked the suggestion and tweeted, “That’s nothing! I’m calling on EVERY REPUBLICAN TO COMMIT SUICIDE in solidarity with Trump! Otherwise, we don’t have a country, folks.”

[Solauren]

Or there's a third possibility: Trump either insulted whoever was doing the work, tried to stiff them on their agreed fee or both and they accidentally-on-purpose flooded the basement out of spite.

True.
But I meant 'legally accident', not 'accident on purpose'

[Ralin]

This should lead to some interesting testimony in the trial(s). Maybe an attempt to explain how someone accidently drains a pool into a room, maybe pointing fingers at who gave the order.

Yeah, saw this earlier. Seems weird that the pool was apparently full of hard drive melting acid, but I guess that would explain why they had to drain it.

[bilateralrope]

‘Devastating': Current and former officials shocked over military secrets found at Mar-a-Lago

The material in the former president’s possession include information on U.S. nuclear programs, according to an indictment.

By ALEXANDER WARD and LARA SELIGMAN

06/09/2023 06:02 PM EDT

The unsealed indictment on former President Donald Trump’s handling of classified documents has current and former national security officials claiming the case is “devastating” against him and that “damage” may have been done to U.S. national security.

Trump is facing 31 counts of violating the Espionage Act through “willful retention” of classified records and six counts related to his alleged effort to obstruct the investigation, according to the 49-page document released Friday. The indictment also alleges that Walt Nauta, a Trump aide during his presidency and now in private life, moved boxes with classified records to obscure them from investigators.

The indictment includes information about the kinds of documents in the former president’s possession, some of them “regarding defense and weapons capabilities of both the United States and foreign countries; United States nuclear programs; potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attack; and plans for possible retaliation in response to a foreign attack.”

“This is a terrible thing,” said a senior Defense Department official. “If laws were broken, he must be accountable. Must. I think that’s where the majority of reasonable military and national security folks are, regardless of their political leaning.

“But it’s also a terrible thing for the nation to have to see a president go through the federal criminal process,” added the official, who was granted anonymity to speak candidly on a sensitive issue.

The more than 100 documents seized from Trump’s office in a storage room at his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida ranged from Confidential to Top Secret. Images released along with the indictment showed stacks of boxes in open areas, with one showing them lining the walls of a bathroom.

Those discoveries led special counsel Jack Smith to issue the first-ever federal indictment of a former president. It’s Trump’s second indictment in three months following charges from the Manhattan district attorney over alleged hush money payments to improve his 2016 election chances.

The latest legal woe for Trump has his former aides fuming. “The indictment is devastating. Those who defended Trump before the charges were made public, or those who have not yet spoken, should very carefully weigh how history will consider their statements,” John Bolton, Trump’s third national security adviser, told POLITICO.

Others are more worried about what it means for the United States to have had such sensitive papers out in the open. “The classified documents described in the indictment are some of the most sensitive information we possess,” said Mick Mulroy, a senior Pentagon official in the Trump administration. “This type of information should never be removed from a secured facility and once discovered should have been immediately returned.”

Mulroy suspects that an intelligence and security review may be conducted alongside the criminal proceedings to discover “any potential damage that may have been done to our national security.”

Trump maintains his innocence, insisting without evidence that President Joe Biden has weaponized the Justice Department to keep him from winning the 2024 election. It’s “the greatest witch hunt of all time,” he told Fox News on Thursday.

Most of Trump’s rivals for the Republican nomination have come to his defense, claiming that he has been improperly targeted while other wrongdoers have faced no consequences. While most have attacked the Department of Justice as a corrupt institution, entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy has already vowed to pardon Trump on his first day as president.

One European official wasn’t overly concerned by the contents. “I’m not that surprised,” the official said. “We learned to expect anything” when it comes to Trump.

He stole US nuclear secrets. Yet some of his rivals for the presidency still leap to his defense.

[Solauren]

I hope they are defending Trump to draw in his base if he can't campaign.

As for having US nuclear secrets.... the US has disappeared people for far, far less.

[bilateralrope]

The case has been assigned to Judge Aileen Cannon. If you forget why she is worrying, reread the articles mentioning her in this thread.

[bobalot]

Surely, there must be some way for the prosecution to raise concerns about the judge?

[Ralin]

Surely, there must be some way for the prosecution to raise concerns about the judge?

Possibly, but from what I'm reading elsewhere a lot of what restrains her boils down to stuff like valuing the respect of her peers and shame and other stuff that hardcore MAGA types generally don't care about. And also if she plays it smart she can make rulings that are technically proper but disproportionately benefit the defense without triggering any more formal mechanisms for removing/stopping her.

Which granted is also not something MAGA types are known for doing, so I guess we'll see.

[Lost Soal]

DOJ can likely move for a change of venue to Miami, which is where the crimes occurred. Cannons court is not the appropriate venue and the assignment may be due to a clerk mistakenly attributing it as a related case.

[LadyTevar]

DOJ can likely move for a change of venue to Miami, which is where the crimes occurred. Cannons court is not the appropriate venue and the assignment may be due to a clerk mistakenly attributing it as a related case.

Or this is a message to her to straighten up.

[Lost Soal]

Got the districts mixed up. Mar-a-Largo is in Palm Beach which would be the appropriate venue, Cannon is Miami which is where the Grand Jury was convened, which I've heard may be the only place in Florida they're convened since COVID.

[bilateralrope]

Trump finds no new lawyers in time for Mar-a-Lago documents arraignment

Exclusive: Trump is expected to be represented by existing lawyers Todd Blanche and Chris Kise

Hugo Lowell in Doral, Miami
@hugolowell
Tue 13 Jun 2023 10.00 BST

Donald Trump is expected to be represented at his first court appearance to face federal criminal charges for retaining national security materials and obstruction of justice by two of his existing lawyers, despite trying to recruit a local Florida lawyer willing to join his legal defense team.

The lawyers making an appearance with Trump on Tuesday will be the top former federal prosecutor Todd Blanche and the former Florida solicitor general Chris Kise, according to people familiar with the matter. Trump’s co-defendant, his valet Walt Nauta, will be represented by Stanley Woodward.

Trump and his legal team spent the afternoon before his arraignment interviewing potential lawyers but the interviews did not result in any joining the team in time for Trump’s initial court appearance scheduled for 3pm ET on Tuesday after several attorneys declined to take him as a client.

Trump has also seemingly been unable to find a specialist national security lawyer, eligible to possess a security clearance, to help him navigate the Espionage Act charges.

The last-minute scramble to find a veteran trial lawyer was a familiar process for Trump, who has had difficulty hiring and keeping lawyers to defend him in the numerous federal and state criminal cases that have dogged him through his presidency and after he left the White House.

After interviewing a slate of potential lawyers at his Trump Doral resort, the former president settled on having Kise appearing as the local counsel admitted to the southern district of Florida as a one-off, with Blanche being sponsored by him to appear pro hac vice, one of the people said.

Blanche and Kise had dinner with Trump and other advisers on Monday at the BLT Prime restaurant at the Doral.

Among the Florida lawyers who turned down Trump was Howard Srebnick, who had expressed an interest the former president at trial as early as last week in part due to the high fees involved, but ultimately was not allowed to after conferring with his law partners, the person said.

The other prominent lawyer who declined to work with Trump was David Markus, who recently defended the Florida Democratic gubernatorial candidate Andrew Gillum against charges that he lied to the FBI and funnelled campaign contributions into his personal accounts, the person said.

Trump and his team have interviewed the corruption attorney Benedict Kuehne, who was indicted in 2008 for money laundering before the charges were dropped, the person said. But he has his own baggage as he faces disbarment for contempt of court in a recent civil suit he lost.

The other interviews are understood to have been with William Barzee, as well as Bruce Zimet, the former chief assistant US attorney in Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach.

Part of the problem of recruiting new lawyers has been Trump’s reputation for being a notoriously difficult client who has a record of declining legal advice and seeking to have his lawyers act as attack dogs or political aides rather than attorneys bound by ethics rules, people close to the process said.

The other concern for the top lawyers in Florida being contacted by Trump’s advisers has been the perceived reputational damage that could come from defending the former president, the people said, not just because of his politics but also because of the strength of the indictment, which could potentially lead to years in prison.

By using Trump’s own taped admissions about retaining national defense information and the witness accounts of his employees, the indictment gave compelling evidence of Trump’s efforts to hoard the country’s most sensitive secrets and obstruct the government’s attempts to get them back.

Trump is said to still be searching for a lawyer in the mold of Roy Cohn, the ruthless New York fixer who defended and mentored him before he was later disbarred – and the fear of potentially being asked to take similar actions has been a persistent issue.

That fear has loomed large for numerous lawyers Trump’s advisers have contacted, the people said, in particular after Trump might have made Evan Corcoran, another former lawyer who withdrew from his defense in the Mar-a-Lago documents investigation, into a witness against him.

According to the indictment, after Trump was issued a subpoena last year seeking the return of any classified documents, Trump took steps to remove boxes of documents from a storage room that Corcoran intended to search through in order to find materials responsive to the subpoena.

The steps Trump took to have those boxes removed from the storage room, an episode now at the heart of the obstruction charge, caused Corcoran to certify a false certification to the justice department confirming that no further documents were at the property, the indictment said.

As Trump’s search for new lawyers in Florida continues, Blanche is expected to take the lead role in the Mar-a-Lago documents case in addition to leading the team defending Trump against state charges in New York for paying hush money to an adult film star in 2016.

Though Kise is expected to appear alongside Blanche in federal district court in Miami, he has primarily handled civil litigation for Trump since he came off the documents case last October and is not expected to be on the trial team proper, a person familiar with the matter said.

The scramble to find Florida lawyers came after Jim Trusty and John Rowley, the two remaining Trump lawyers after the earlier resignation of Tim Parlatore and the recusal of Corcoran, became the latest casualties of a legal team undermined by turmoil and infighting, the Guardian previously reported.

I can see why no competent lawyer would be willing to touch this case.


As for judge Cannon, I've heard two things that might make her better behaved if she keeps the case:
- Previously she made her rulings without reading the affidavits for the search warrant, giving her some plausible deniability. That's not going to be an option as she will be read in on everything going forwards.
- Sooner or later she is going to make a ruling Trump disagrees with. That's likely to set him off and make her wonder why she is favoring him so much.

[Broomstick]

Always a bad sign when a person can't convince a lawyer to work for them.

Have to wonder if, when the dust settles, this will make Watergate look like a papercut in comparison.

[GrosseAdmiralFox]

Welp, the indictment is here, and the usual suspects are trying to #bothsame shit... again... in the comments.

If you want to have some fun with them, point out that the DOJ has decided that Pence won't be charged over the documents found in his home.

Largely because he outright cooperated with authorities on that matter. Much like Biden in that regard.

Always a bad sign when a person can't convince a lawyer to work for them.

Have to wonder if, when the dust settles, this will make Watergate look like a papercut in comparison.

It'll make what Nixon and Reagan did look like chump change.

[Gandalf]

Have to wonder if, when the dust settles, this will make Watergate look like a papercut in comparison.

Hopefully. In part this is paying the price for letting previous presidents get away with things. So if everyone is lucky, this could make justice more proactive.

[Elfdart]

Always a bad sign when a person can't convince a lawyer to work for them.

Have to wonder if, when the dust settles, this will make Watergate look like a papercut in comparison.

He's probably better off with a public defender. The way he stiffs the people he hires, anyone taking his case is working pro bono anyway.