sun crusher

tsavong lah · Post by **tsavong lah** » 2002-08-28 05:17am

now what would win the sun crussher or the aq please discuss in detail

ps this is based in the alpha quadrent .

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-28 06:00am

Your location is wrong Infadel.

Yuzzan'tar is the correct designation.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-08-28 06:05am

Heck, I dunno. Define "win"... does the Sun Crusher need to successfully blow up a few stars? Kill some ships? Does the SC get a resupply base?

Really, it's hard to come up with something like this. Barring some technobabble solution, there's not much the AQ can do against teh SC, weapon-wise. Tractor beams might nullify it, but that's about it. Transporters likely can't get through something as dense as QC armor. Then again, the SC is only one ship, and only carries 14 resonance torpedoes... it can probably take out a few ships with KJA's Uber-Ramming Of Doom, but other ships would quickly learn and just jump to warp.

And if the SC doesn't get a resupply base, then the pilot will be dead in a week or so, anyway.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-28 06:23am

Hell the SC can just ram the ships.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2002-08-28 06:47am

Depends what you mean by 'win'. We realy need more info to come up with a conclusion. Example:

* Does the SC have starcharts of the AQ or is it going to be stranded?
* Does the SC have access to resupply bases?
* Are the targets stars? Starships?
* Does the AQ know about the ship and its abilities?

I'll assume they do know of the ship, the ships limited to 'as is' and has starcharts of the Quadrent.

The SC carries 11 torpedoes IIRC. That potentionaly means 11 stars blown up assuming its not intercepted before reaching them. After that, its capacity to do damage is limited. Vrs a starship that knows what the SC is, the starships should not have too much trouble. I don't know that it can do anything in terms of ramming if the starship has its shields up. Simply having uber tough armour does not, unless I am mistaken) suddenly give it more KE to pack, shields probably will just make it bounce away as its not going to explode on contact. And thats assuming they let it hit. Grab it in a tractor beam (with the end that spits out star slaying torpedoes pointed AWAY if at all possible) and its preaty much helpless. The external weapons are all conventional and not armoured, just low level lasers. They can be taken out without too much of a problem. The armour itself does not appear to be massive. I mean, it was never stated to be supermassive nor does it act like it when being rocked around by weapons impacts and such. And at any rate, 'Think Tank' established the ability of transporters to beam through neutronium, which is preaty damn dense (and we are not talking about getting a coherent signal through here, just beam in a ton of antimatter or something if you can't beam the piolt out)...

End result:

A few stars blown up, one superweapon captured or at least disabled.

tsavong lah · Post by **tsavong lah** » 2002-08-28 07:14am

it has a resupply base and has charts and it is only going for primary systems hope hte feddies have a nice day mwhahahahahahah

tsavong lah · Post by **tsavong lah** » 2002-08-28 07:19am

AND THE FEDIES HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT ITS A CAPIBILTIES ALSO IT IS DEPOLYED FROM A BASE WITH A DEFENCE FLEET IE: ISD PLUS ESCORT FRIGATS

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-08-28 07:29am

Ermm why not make it Imps Vs Earth or a pro trek side Q Vs the Empire

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Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-28 07:57am

With a defense fleet?

Lol Forget the SC just send the ISD, with each of its heavy(And very likley Mediums) being able to destroy ST ships in a single shot its gonna be bad

tsavong lah · Post by **tsavong lah** » 2002-08-28 08:47am

ALRIGHT WE FOGET THE SC AND LOCK IT IN A CUBOARD fine we send in the defece fleet so what does earth do (apart from panic and speaking treknobable)

Khan Jackal Moreau · Post by **Khan Jackal Moreau** » 2002-08-28 10:30am

Suncrusher? Well, that begs the question. Does it run into a Planet Killer? Does the pilot have any qualms with killing people without good reason.

We've never seen a threat take out Earth without some kind of solution. If we accept these as a hard fact, well, when the Earth is threatened, a solution will present itself. That's the way Star Trek works.

Of course, we've never seen a Suncrusher pilot die in the Alpha Quadrant. Perhaps the same lousy writer who came up with the thing would allow him to live forever.

Oh. But you mean the Federation will be frozen in time, unable to actually perform it's duties we've seen so often in the shows, which is wait until the third act and the interesting and through provoking thought of th day, then use the brand new soon to be forgotten solution to save them all. So none of that, right?

What about the Wars faction? What about their various faults? Any extra-galactic invading fleets of fleshBorgs? What about bringing the Emporer back again, is he done with his vacation?

One might as well ask "who would win, the Suncrusher or the Lensmen". Or "Superman and an ISD". Or "Luke Skywalker or the T-1000". Who knows? Depends on who is writing. If the last movie they were in had a high level, or low level power theme.

But sadly, given the facts as presented *sigh* with the all caps defense fleet, and all that, of course the Crusher would win. Win what? Beat all the ships? Kill all the citizens? Is that what being a Star Wars fan is all about?

*points the last sentence above* Grains of salt will be provided.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-08-28 11:05am

Hmm Stay Puff Marshmellows, best cooked with a whole lotta flames.

You do have to wonder about people who think the Federation is more evil than the empire

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Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-28 11:59am

Chris O'Farrell wrote:I don't know that it can do anything in terms of ramming if the starship has its shields up. Simply having uber tough armour does not, unless I am mistaken) suddenly give it more KE to pack, shields probably will just make it bounce away as its not going to explode on contact.

Did it to an ISD, no prob. And ISDs actually have armor

And thats assuming they let it hit. Grab it in a tractor beam (with the end that spits out star slaying torpedoes pointed AWAY if at all possible) and its preaty much helpless.

Until the thing fires up it's engines and flies straight up the tractor beam.

The external weapons are all conventional and not armoured, just low level lasers. They can be taken out without too much of a problem.

The armour itself does not appear to be massive. I mean, it was never stated to be supermassive nor does it act like it when being rocked around by weapons impacts and such.

Did you even read teh JAT? Not that I could really blame you if you didn't...

And at any rate, 'Think Tank' established the ability of transporters to beam through neutronium, which is preaty damn dense (and we are not talking about getting a coherent signal through here, just beam in a ton of antimatter or something if you can't beam the piolt out)...

They have to get a lock on a fighter sized craft that would be manuvering.

End result:

A few stars blown up, one superweapon captured or at least disabled.

Sure

tsavong lah · Post by **tsavong lah** » 2002-08-28 12:38pm

who said its a person i know u can have ships piolted by droid brains source new rebbelion and the feddies are communisst so rhey are evil and the suncrusher has gone in for a long check up so it misses all of the action ant ways if this is weird paradox the suncrusher is in the hands of the rebel alliane the new one out of njo which has isd's so ifvso the defece fleet can have one isd one moncal crser and 4 escort frigaets and 6 correlian gunships plus how mant fighters the capships carry

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-08-28 01:39pm

...

Did anybody else not get that?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-08-28 01:46pm

I think rejection has set in due to his new Vong brain implants.

tsavong lah · Post by **tsavong lah** » 2002-08-28 02:09pm

HA HA SORRRY BUT IAM VERY HAPPY AND VONG DONT HAV BRAIN IMPLANTS ON SKIN ONES AND HOM DO U PUT A FANFIC BECAUSE EVERY TIME I TRY TO PUT IT ON I HAVE LOGON AGAIN IT JUST WONT ACCEPT IT PLEASE HELP AND READ THE POST SLLLOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWLY

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-08-28 02:12pm

Go away.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-08-28 02:28pm

I realise the Vong dont have brain implants its called humour or more correctly ridicule.

Also knock off the caps and grow a brain using that advanced biotech you pocess.

Hmm "Rabid" Warsie indeed.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-28 02:42pm

Time to put this one to sleep I think

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2002-08-28 02:55pm

tsavong lah wrote:HA HA SORRRY BUT IAM VERY HAPPY AND VONG DONT HAV BRAIN IMPLANTS ON SKIN ONES AND HOM DO U PUT A FANFIC BECAUSE EVERY TIME I TRY TO PUT IT ON I HAVE LOGON AGAIN IT JUST WONT ACCEPT IT PLEASE HELP AND READ THE POST SLLLOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWLY

ARE YOU OF THIS PLANET CREATURE!? GO BACK TO 4TH GRADE AND PASS ENGLISH!

And your location is curescant......CURESCANT!? WTF IS CURSCANT! HE CAN'T EVEN SPELL THE NAME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PLANET IN ALL OF SW! HES A HINT BUDDY, CORUSCANT!

To reiterate Spanky: Go away.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-28 04:18pm

Yes, Yuzzhan Vong do have brain Implants. The Shapers get special tumors that hold a ton of knowledge. Go read EoV: Conquest. Hell, just read some of the NJO, period you dumbass.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-08-28 04:22pm

They are temporary because they start killing the host this guys entire brain has rotted away, then again I would describe his case as terminal (and im sure he thinks of himslef as a warrior

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Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-08-29 01:29am

Anyway, to go back on topic, the Sun Crusher is more than capable of toppling the AQ powers, since all the evidence I've seen points towards capital planets being all important. Take out the Sol system (after evacing me, of course

), The Klingon home system, Cardassia, Romulus, the Vulcan home system, etc. Then, go on kamikaze runs until you run out of fuel or power. After all, ST accuracy is terrible at best, and quantum armor is denser than neutronium, making SC invincible.

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2002-08-29 03:46am

tsavong lah wrote: HA HA SORRRY BUT IAM VERY HAPPY AND VONG DONT HAV BRAIN IMPLANTS ON SKIN ONES AND HOM DO U PUT A FANFIC BECAUSE EVERY TIME I TRY TO PUT IT ON I HAVE LOGON AGAIN IT JUST WONT ACCEPT IT PLEASE HELP AND READ THE POST SLLLOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWLY

WTF

What kind of drugs are you on? Crack and Acid.

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