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Re: Project 2025: How to Start a Fascist Takeover in 180 Days!

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Raw Shark wrote: 2024-12-31 07:02pm To be fair, we're pretty egalitarian about sharing the fucked-uppedness. Most of my fellow Americans actually find a British accent attractive and would just lend you a firearm because you need one. Even though you're blind. That's how we roll here. You shoot at anything you can hear. It'll be fine. Why the fuck not? Totally good idea.
In my defence, I'm only mostly blind. And despite that, I'm a pretty good shot.

Frankly, if this is the kind of mess you Americans made of a political system, I'm kinda glad you had that whole revolution and we got shot of you.
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Eternal_Freedom wrote: 2024-12-31 07:24pm
Raw Shark wrote: 2024-12-31 07:02pm To be fair, we're pretty egalitarian about sharing the fucked-uppedness. Most of my fellow Americans actually find a British accent attractive and would just lend you a firearm because you need one. Even though you're blind. That's how we roll here. You shoot at anything you can hear. It'll be fine. Why the fuck not? Totally good idea.
In my defence, I'm only mostly blind. And despite that, I'm a pretty good shot.

Frankly, if this is the kind of mess you Americans made of a political system, I'm kinda glad you had that whole revolution and we got shot of you.
Being a younger country, Canada got a fairly good deal out of the American Revolution too:

Canadian politics can be generally summed up as looking at what Americans are up to, and trying to avoid that.

What I found interesting is that Canada was largely founded by Loyalists and Quebecois who were content with the status quo… a.k.a. what we could call the conservatives in North American society at the time. America was the “Great Experiment” in republicanism and liberalism, at least compared to the European monarchs at the time. Yet it seems these days that Canada is generally the more progressive country, whether it comes to universal healthcare, LGBT rights, abortion, marijuana use etc. What gives?
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Re: Project 2025: How to Start a Fascist Takeover in 180 Days!

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Eternal_Freedom wrote: 2024-12-31 07:24pm
In my defence, I'm only mostly blind. And despite that, I'm a pretty good shot.

Frankly, if this is the kind of mess you Americans made of a political system, I'm kinda glad you had that whole revolution and we got shot of you.
I wasn't trying to launch a personal attack on your marksmanship, just sayin' in general we've got a certain, "Fuck it, the answer is guns!" mentality around these parts. A friend of mine in high school did almost as well as I did on the SATs. West Point kept calling him, trying to recruit him. He was utterly blind from birth. Man can't see things at all. He told them this. And they kept calling him. One day, we were doing mad bong hits and I convinced him to tell them off definitively. So he was on the phone like, "Yes, I want to serve my country. Hell, yeah I do. Give me a rifle and a dog and throw me out of an airplane! I'll blow away anything that moves!"

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Ha! Every 4th of July I message my old housemate (ex-USN CPO from Pennsylvania) with a nice, polite "Happy Treason Day you damn yankee!" He and his family think it's hilarious.
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I just rewatch the speech from Independence Day, and not for the first time think it's applicable to the situation in Ukraine. Their independence day is the 24th of August, FYI.
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Ralin wrote: 2024-11-25 04:47am
Broomstick wrote: 2024-11-24 04:31pm I doubt Trump is going to pardon the Jan 6 people because they're losers, they didn't succeed in overturning the vote and the government in 2021. The only exceptions might be a handful who Trump has some special interest in, but I doubt even that.
It would be a deviation from his past behavior, yes, but someone could convince him that it would make him look strong or that he stands to gain enough to bother. He's had years now to see the consequences of not having thug power loyal to him personally that he can order around.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/20/us/p ... jan-6.html

Guess we can call that question settled
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We have the first disagreement between Congress and Trump now that he's president again:

Johnson says ‘we will enforce the law’ on TikTok ban, 2 GOP senators break with Trump on extension
In a statement, senators disputed President-elect Donald Trump's suggestion that he would "most likely" give TikTok a 90-day extension to bring the app back.

Jan. 20, 2025, 3:33 AM GMT+13 / Updated Jan. 20, 2025, 7:51 AM GMT+13
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Speaker Mike Johnson on Sunday dispelled the notion that President-elect Donald Trump would bring TikTok back early in his second term without the company's willingness to sell to a U.S.-based owner.

"I think we will enforce the law," Johnson told NBC News' "Meet the Press" on Sunday, a day after Trump told NBC News that he would "most likely" give TikTok a 90-day extension to operate in the U.S.

Johnson's remarks come just hours after TikTok halted operations in the U.S., cutting user access to the app. At the same time, Apple, Google and Microsoft removed the app from app stores, preventing new users from downloading it.

A bipartisan bill passed last year and signed by President Joe Biden went into effect Sunday, effectively banning TikTok from the U.S. if the app, which is owned by the Chinese-based company ByteDance, isn't sold to a U.S.-based owner.

In the last few months, TikTok made a last-ditch effort with the Supreme Court to save themselves from the ban, but the court upheld the law on Friday.

Trump, who supported banning TikTok during his first term, has now emerged in favor of keeping the app running in the U.S. Before the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the case, Trump's team filed a brief asking the court to hit pause on the law, saying it would give his new administration time to find a solution.

The ban went into effect the day before Trump's inauguration to a second term.

On Saturday, the president-elect told NBC News he would “most likely” give TikTok a 90-day extension to avoid a ban once he takes office, something that the senators specifically disagreed with in their statement.

"I think that would be, certainly, an option that we look at," Trump said in a phone interview. "The 90-day extension is something that will be most likely done, because it’s appropriate. You know, it’s appropriate. We have to look at it carefully. It’s a very big situation."

Johnson noted that he believed that in the last few months, Trump has been referring to a plan to bring the app back via a sale, not as it operates now.

"When President Trump issued the Truth [Social] post and said, 'Save Tiktok,' the way we read that is that he’s going to try to force along a true divestiture, changing of hands, the ownership," Johnson said Sunday.

"It’s not the platform that members of Congress are concerned about. It’s the Chinese Communist Party and their manipulation of the algorithms — they have been flooding the minds of American children with terrible messages glorifying violence and anti-semitism and even suicide and eating disorders. I mean, crazy kinds of stuff, and they’re mining the data of American citizens. It’s a very dangerous thing," he added.

But later Sunday morning, Trump seemingly pushed back on Johnson’s assertion, writing on TruthSocial that he would like the app to come back online in the U.S. as soon as possible, even in the absence of a deal, to buy him some time to make one.

"I’m asking companies not to let TikTok stay dark! I will issue an executive order on Monday to extend the period of time before the law’s prohibitions take effect, so that we can make a deal to protect our national security," the president-elect wrote.

"The order will also confirm that there will be no liability for any company that helped keep TikTok from going dark before my order," Trump added.

Shortly before Johnson's comments, Sens. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., and Pete Ricketts, R-Neb., broke with Trump, too, celebrating the app’s ban that went into effect Sunday.

“We commend Amazon, Apple, Google, and Microsoft for following the law and halting operations with ByteDance and TikTok, and we encourage other companies to do the same. The law, after all, risks ruinous bankruptcy for any company who violates it,” Cotton and Ricketts wrote in a statement.

“Now that the law has taken effect, there’s no legal basis for any kind of ‘extension’ of its effective date. For TikTok to come back online in the future, ByteDance must agree to a sale that satisfies the law’s qualified-divestiture requirements by severing all ties between TikTok and Communist China,” they added.

In the wake of the news later in the day that TikTok was working to get back up and running in the U.S., Cotton, the new chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, responded to TikTok statement alluding to other ways the company could be punished, even if they avoided penalties from the federal government.

"Any company that hosts, distributes, services, or otherwise facilitates communist-controlled TikTok could face hundreds of billions of dollars of ruinous liability under the law, not just from DOJ, but also under securities law, shareholder lawsuits, and state AGs. Think about it," he wrote on X.

Rep. Frank Pallone, D-N.J., the top Democrat on the House Energy and Commerce Committee also blasted TikTok, writing on X, "TikTok’s trying to play the victim, but it has nobody to blame but itself. ByteDance has had 270 days to sell TikTok, but they’ve been fighting it since day one because they refuse to give up Communist China’s chokehold on Americans’ data."

The law on the books doesn't grant the president the authority to make a 90-day extension without guarantees that ByteDance is actually seeking to sell the app to a U.S.-based company.

"The President may grant a one-time extension of not more than 90 days ... if the President certifies to Congress that— (A) a path to executing a qualified divestiture has been identified with respect to such application," the law says, adding that there must be "evidence of significant progress" towards a sale, which include "the relevant binding legal agreements to enable" a sale.

On Sunday, Johnson said that he doesn't have "any confidence in ByteDance."

"The law is very precise, and the only way to extend that is if there is an actual deal in the works," Johnson added. "I think President Trump is probably intrigued by all this and he likes to make deals, as you know. So we're very hopeful that that can happen, and that 270 million American people who enjoy the platform can enjoy it, but enjoy it safely and not have their data being mined by our nation's enemy."
I can see this going to court over if Trump has provided "evidence of significant progress". Probably with a rush through the appeals process over any temporary injunction, with the court case being unresolved by the time the 90 days are up.
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Trump to pull US from Paris climate agreement: What could this mean for the environment?
Donald Trump has previously described climate change as a hoax and judging by his initial actions, he's doubling down on his beliefs.

One of his first pledges after taking office was to “drill baby drill” for more oil and gas.

He has already started the year-long process of withdrawing from the International Paris Climate Agreement which aims to keep warming below 1.5 degrees.

Plus he’s signed an executive order to enable drilling offshore and in the Arctic.

He’s also scrapped electric car targets and blocked new wind farms from being built.

Deportations, drilling and Mars: What is among Trump's first executive orders?

Let's start by looking at the current picture.

The top three polluters of CO2 emissions in the world are, in order; China (30.1%), the USA (11.3%) and India (7.8%).

The UK (0.9%) emits about a twelfth of the amount America does.

Per head, the USA is the worst performing with 14.3 tonnes of CO2 emitted per person per year and is nearly double the equivalent in China and three times the levels in the UK.

During Trump’s last term, he actually approved fewer oil and gas licenses than Joe Biden has.

If you exclude 2024 data, Trump approved 300 licenses per year to Biden's 481. The Democrats argue this was largely in response to the war in Ukraine.

Over Trump’s first four years average emissions actually went down slightly. But at a much slower rate than targets require. The pandemic played a big part in cutting energy consumption.

Analysis by Carbon Brief shows Trump's policies leave the US a long way off track for hitting Net Zero by 2050.

They calculate his policies will contribute an extra four billion tonnes of carbon by 2030.

That’s twice as much as the world saved through wind, solar and other green tech over the last five years combined.

Finally, you have the international impact.

By leaving the Paris Agreement the USA, one of the biggest voices in global politics, joins Yemen, Libya and Iran as one of only four countries not signed up.

Could others like Argentina follow suit? Most importantly, what incentive is there for other big polluting countries like China, India and Brazil to make environmentally friendly but economically expensive changes if America isn't willing to do the same?
Trump doesn't believe in climate change :banghead: :wanker:
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Trump doesn't believe in anything he doesn't understand which is at the core of the problem because he doesn't understand ANYTHING, including words with more than zero sylabbles other than 'Trump'.
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We now have a "Reign of Trump" sticky to discuss all this in, so I'm locking this thread.
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