The Reign of Trump

[Tribble]

Just FYI, before proceeding further with this discussion I have requested a Mod to review my posts. In the event the Mod determines that my posts amount to actual support of Nazism I further request that I immediately be permanently banned from the forum since hate speech is obviously forbidden.

If the Mods determine that my posts do not meet that criteria, then I respectfully request that they tell you to STFU, stop calling everyone who doesn’t agree with you 100% a literal Nazi and keep the discussion civil.

[Ralin]

Tribble I don't think you're an actual Nazi but again, consider. The Nazis in charge are using this system to carry out a big evil ethnic cleansing purge. This isn't normal, but it's basically a more extreme version of what the system does normally. Given that, and especially if you can't give a compelling reason for it beyond people not liking queue jumpers, the fact that you're okay with and taking it as a given that we need a more restrained and selective version of the big evil purge Trump's people are doing should give you pause.

Don't you think?

[Tribble]

Tribble I don't think you're an actual Nazi but again, consider. The Nazis in charge are using this system to carry out a big evil ethnic cleansing purge. This isn't normal, but it's basically a more extreme version of what the system does normally. Given that, and especially if you can't give a compelling reason for it beyond people not liking queue jumpers, the fact that you're okay with and taking it as a given that we need a more restrained and selective version of the big evil purge Trump's people are doing should give you pause.

Don't you think?

I did not state that I agree with what Trump is doing.
I do not agree with what Trump is doing, and what he and the Republican Party is doing is cruel and evil and should be stopped.
I do agree that the immigration system is in desperate need of reform to be a lot more efficient, fair and equitable than it currently is. And certainly everyone deserves due process.
However, for me that does not extend to allowing for unlimited immigration with no restrictions and no consequences, which is what you and the others seem to be implying. Correct me if I am wrong there. If you do think that opinion makes me a Nazi and/or Nazi sympathizer then I should be reported, which is what I have done.

Again I would go further into this but I await the Mods decision first as I have literally been accused of being a Nazi and/or Nazi supporter/sympathizer on this board which is clearly against board rules and that needs to be addressed one way or another.

[Raw Shark]

EDIT: and I’m not gonna go into the whole “North American countries are illegitimate to begin with therefore their laws aren’t valid” shtick. Even assuming that is correct, for the foreseeable future people in North American countries are not going to be willing to voluntarily dissolve themselves and eliminate things like immigration status entirely, so it’s not really worth debating atm IMO.

Eh, speaking as a person who has mixed blood but low melatonin, I for one would gladly pay rent to the natives instead of some pale dude who looks like me. Feels more fair and I'm paying rent either way. I draw the line at being told to leave the land I was born on, but I'll acknowledge ownership and pay rent.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

What are President Trump's immigration and deportation policies?

During his first week in office, President Donald Trump has signed ten executive orders on immigration and issued a slew of mandates to carry out promises on mass deportation and border security.

Some actions were felt immediately, while others face legal challenges. Some may take years to happen, or never even come to fruition, but a lot of them have generated fear among immigrant communities.

Much of what Trump can achieve will boil down to money, with Congress expected to consider additional financial support soon. Trump may also use emergency powers to tap into the Defence Department's budget, as he did for a border wall in his first term.

So how has the US's immigration policy changed so far under Trump and what could still be yet to come?

What are Trump's deportation policies?

During the presidential election Trump promised the mass deportation of illegal immigrants, saying: "On day one, I will launch the largest deportation programme of criminals in the history of America."

In his inauguration speech, Trump announced a "national emergency" at the southern border of the United States, adding that "all illegal entry will immediately be halted" and that the country would start the process of "returning millions and millions of criminal aliens back to the places from which they came".

Trump's language around immigrants has always been strong, with him saying they were "poisoning the blood of [America]" on the campaign trail.

The Trump administration has moved quickly to ramp up deportations.

The president has given greater powers to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), who are also receiving support from other agencies, in a departure from the Biden administration. These include the FBI, Drug Enforcement Administration, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and Border Patrol.

Trump expanded the arrest priorities of these agencies to include anyone who was in the country illegally.

Previously these agencies had only targeted people with criminal convictions, public safety threats, national security threats and migrants caught at the border.

Trump has also tried to make it easier for ICE to deport people without appearing before an immigration judge.

He's expanding the powers of “expedited removal” nationwide to include anyone who's been in the US for up to two years. The American Civil Liberties Union is challenging the fast-track deportations in court.

The president has also ended a policy to avoid arrests at 'sensitive locations' including schools, hospitals and places of worship.

But some have said that so far this is business as usual for ICE.

“There’s nothing unique about it,” said Andrew Arthur, a former immigration judge. He's also a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies, a research and advocacy group that favours immigration restrictions.

How many people have actually been deported?

Under Joe Biden, ICE averaged a daily immigration arrest total of 311 people in the 12-month period to September.

In the first Thursday to Monday under Trump's direction, ICE averaged a daily immigration arrest total of 710 people.

If that rate holds, it would surpass ICE's previous high mark set during the Obama administration, when daily immigration arrests averaged 636 people.

While Trump may have made bold statements when it comes to deporting migrants, Biden's administration actually deported more people than Trump managed when he was first president.

The Biden administration deported 271,484 people to 192 countries in the 12-month period to September, the highest level since 2014 and more than any year in Trump's first term.

Where are deportees going?

Trump, like Biden, will deport immigrants to hundreds of different countries.

Since his inauguration, Trump has already displayed some of the hardball tactics he intends to use with governments that resist or refuse to take back their citizens.

Trump has forced Colombia into accepting its own deported migrants back by threatening steep tariffs on imports and other sanctions.

He said he would raise tariffs by 25% on Colombia after President Gustavo Petro refused to let two military planes land with deportees. Trump put the tariffs measures on hold after Petro backed down.

One deportation flight to Guatemala with 80 deportees also appeared to have Trump's desired effect.

“It’s my first attempt of the year and I don’t know if I will try again because it’s hard,” said Jacobo Dueñas who was arrested on the Texas border.

What old rules on immigration has Trump changed?

The president declared an emergency on the southern border with Mexico and has sent 1,500 active-duty troops.

A 1878 law prohibits military involvement in civilian law enforcement, but Trump and his aides have signalled he may invoke wartime powers.

President Trump also put a pause on the Refugee Admissions Program, preventing the resettling of refugees who are vetted abroad before entering the United States awaiting further review. That could include 1,600 Afghans eligible to enter the US as refugees.

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A border app which allows migrants to enter the country on two-year permits with eligibility to work has also been ended by Trump. Nearly one million people entered the US at land crossings with Mexico by using the CBP One app.

Trump has also ended a policy that allowed more than 500,000 people from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela to fly to the country on two-year permits if they had a financial sponsor.

Mexico has also given approval to reinstate a hallmark policy of Trump's first term, “Remain in Mexico”, which requires asylum-seekers to wait in Mexico for hearings in US immigration court.

What have critics said?

As the deportations have got underway, immigrants and children of immigrants have feared arrest.

Singer and actress Selena Gomez, who has Mexican heritage, is one of the celebrities to have spoken out on the issue.

She released a now-deleted video on Instagram apologising for what was happening at the border.

"I wish I could do something but I can't," she said while crying.

What changes does Trump still want to make?

In one of Trump's first executive orders as president he said he was ending automatic citizenship for children born on US soil. This is a precedent which was established by constitutional amendment in 1868, and includes children of immigrants.

A federal judge in Seattle has put it on hold, after 22 states quickly mounted a legal challenge.

The State Department has told groups providing temporary housing, job training and other support to stop work immediately.

The Justice Department also told legal aid groups to stop work on federal programmes that help people in immigration courts and detention centers navigate complex laws.

[Bedlam]

Assuming no banning occurs maybe a separate thread on what if any limitations should be in place on immigration?

Looking beyond America how does being able to move from country to country freely and being considered a citizen of whatever country you are currently in effect rights and responsibilities of being a citizen (if any)?

If one country has universal free at point of delivery healthcare is it fine for people to move to that country if they get sick but then just move away to a lower tax rate country when they're better?

If a country has conscription (military or otherwise) from say 18 to 21 is it acceptable to just move to another country for those years and then return to benefit from the cheap labour (although I don't actually know if this normally works as a net gain or loss for countries which implement it) from those who don't choose to leave (after all they could the same, although family ties or other limits might prevent them)

[Eternal_Freedom]

In other news, and a certain level of irony, one of the pardoned Jan 6th rioters has been fatally shot by police after resisting at a traffic stop.

[LadyTevar]

Assuming no banning occurs maybe a separate thread on what if any limitations should be in place on immigration?

GREAT IDEA!

As you thought of it, you can create the thread.

[Dalton]

There is a wide gulf between what Tribble has stated and actual Nazism. I don't see any calls for a purging of the untermenschen, just people overreacting to someone who wants to have an open discussion about illegal immigration.

Tribble stays - the rest of you dial it back.

[bilateralrope]

In other news, and a certain level of irony, one of the pardoned Jan 6th rioters has been fatally shot by police after resisting at a traffic stop.

The latest I heard is that the count of Jan 6 rioters who have got themself into trouble since being pardoned is currently at 5:
- This guy
- 2 who refused the pardon
- On arrested on a gun charge that predates Jan 6
- One wanted for online solicitation of a minor

[Raw Shark]

This whole thing is a sham - The fatcats want to dial up fear about rapey, murdery illegals sneaking across the border to the south to do rapey murder so they can continue paying them a buck an hour instead of minimum wage, because they're cheap, greedy bastards. I firmly believe that anybody who wants to come to this great land of ours to work, like my grandparents, should be fast-tracked into an employed tax-paying citizen because why the fuck not?

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free!
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

--Emma Lazarus

[Raw Shark]

Golgo Bordello Weighs In

[bilateralrope]

States say they’ve been shut out of Medicaid amid Trump funding freeze

The freeze is said to ensure funding aligns with Trump's political ideology.

Beth Mole – 29 Jan 2025 08:56

Amid the Trump administration's abrupt, wide-scale freeze on federal funding, states are reporting that they've lost access to Medicaid, a program jointly funded by the federal government and states to provide comprehensive health coverage and care to tens of millions of low-income adults and children in the US.

The funding freeze was announced in a memo dated January 27 from Matthew Vaeth, the acting director of the Office of Management and Budget, and was first reported Monday evening by independent journalist Marisa Kabas. The freeze is intended to prevent "use of Federal resources to advance Marxist equity, transgenderism, and green new deal social engineering policies," Vaeth wrote. The memo ordered federal agencies to complete a comprehensive analysis of all federal financial assistance programs to ensure they align with the president's policies and requirements.

"In the interim, to the extent permissible under applicable law, Federal agencies must temporarily pause all activities related to obligation or disbursement of all Federal financial assistance, and other relevant agency activities that may be implicated by the executive orders..." Vaeth wrote.

Illinois was the first state to report that it had lost access to Medicaid. According to the Chicago Sun-Times, Gov. JB Pritzker's office expected the freeze to go into effect at 5 pm Eastern Time today but found the state locked out this morning. The Times noted that Medicaid covered about 3.9 million people in Illinois in 2023, including low-income adults, children, pregnant people, and people with disabilities.

In a post Tuesday afternoon on the social media platform Bluesky, Senator Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) reported that all 50 states have since lost access. "My staff has confirmed reports that Medicaid portals are down in all 50 states following last night's federal funding freeze," Wyden wrote. "This is a blatant attempt to rip away health care from millions of Americans overnight and will get people killed."

Around the same time, Senator Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) posted on social media site X that his state, too, had lost access. "Can confirm. Connecticut’s Medicaid payment system has been turned off," he wrote. "Doctors and hospitals cannot get paid. Discussions ongoing about whether services can continue."

As of October 2024, Medicaid provided health coverage to over 79 million people across all 50 states and the District of Columbia. Of those, over 37 million (47 percent) were children—enrolled in either Medicaid's Children’s Health Insurance Programs (CHIP) or enrolled in the Medicaid program.

According to a 2023 analysis by KFF, Medicaid provides a critical safety net to a significant swath of Americans. In 2021, Medicaid covered 1 in 4 children and 8 in 10 children in poverty. It covered 1 in 6 adults and about half of adults in poverty. Medicaid paid for 41 percent of births in the US, covered nearly half of all children with special health care needs, and supported 5 in 8 nursing home residents.

According to Reuters, the White House has said that mandatory programs such as Medicaid and Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) food assistance would be exempt from the freeze. In a briefing Tuesday, reporters asked White House spokesperson Karoline Leavitt about whether Medicaid was cut off as part of a funding pause and whether she could guarantee that individuals on Medicaid would not be affected. Leavitt responded: "I'll check back on that and get back to you."

Do they want another Luigi ?

[Solauren]

In other news, and a certain level of irony, one of the pardoned Jan 6th rioters has been fatally shot by police after resisting at a traffic stop.

The latest I heard is that the count of Jan 6 rioters who have got themself into trouble since being pardoned is currently at 5:
- This guy
- 2 who refused the pardon
- On arrested on a gun charge that predates Jan 6
- One wanted for online solicitation of a minor

I've read the reason at least 1 person refused the pardon. She regrets her actions that day, and doesn't believe she's repaid her debt to society.
You have to respect that. No idea about #2.

The ones that are getting into legal trouble? Well, if they were scummy enough to be part of Jan 6, and then except the pardon, it comes as no surprise they'd doing stupid shit still.

[bilateralrope]

I've read the reason at least 1 person refused the pardon. She regrets her actions that day, and doesn't believe she's repaid her debt to society.
You have to respect that. No idea about #2.

The ones that are getting into legal trouble? Well, if they were scummy enough to be part of Jan 6, and then except the pardon, it comes as no surprise they'd doing stupid shit still.

I found an article that covers the other one. Here's the key quote:

“I don’t need to obsess over a narcissistic bully to feel better about myself,” he said. “Trump can shove his pardon up his ass.”

[LadyTevar]

Trump Offers Federal Workers 8-months pay to Resign

President Donald Trump has offered buyout packages to almost all federal employees, a major move designed to shrink and reform the US government.

In an email sent on Tuesday, his administration told workers they had to decide by 6 February whether they wanted to be part of a "deferred resignation" programme.

If they agree by that date to quit, they can work on full pay until September, the message said.

The Trump administration expects up to 10% of employees to accept the offer - which equates to about 200,000 of the more than two million people who work for the federal government, according to the BBC's US partner CBS News.

Senior Trump officials told US media that the buyouts could save the government up to $100bn (£80bn).

The message from the US Office of Personnel Management (OPM), the government's HR agency, highlighted planned reforms including a requirement that most employees work in their offices five days a week.

Since returning to the White House last week, Trump has already declared the end of Covid-era home working practices.

The OPM said the offer was available to "all full-time federal employees" - excluding certain staff such as postal workers, members of the military, immigration officials, and some national security teams.

Workers wishing to take the deal were asked to reply to the email with the word "resign" in the subject line. The offer includes both pay and benefits for workers until 30 September, and has been described as "very generous" by the White House.

The message also warned of future downsizing that could impact those who chose to stay. "We cannot give you full assurance regarding the certainty of your position or agency but should your position be eliminated you will be treated with dignity," it read.

Stephen Miller, the White House deputy chief of staff for policy, told CNN that federal workers were "overwhelmingly left of centre", and that it was "essential" for Trump to "get control of government".

The move has been condemned. In a statement to US media, the head of the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) union warned that this "purging" process would have "vast, unintended consequences that will cause chaos for the Americans who depend on a functioning federal government".

Democratic Senator Tim Kaine was among those questioning Trump's power to make such deals. "If you accept that offer and resign, he'll stiff you just like he stiffed contractors," he said. "He doesn't have any authority to do this. Do not be fooled by this guy."

The returning US president repeatedly pledged to cut the size of the government and slash federal spending while on the campaign trail.

He tasked Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy with leading an advisory body focused on cutting regulations, spending, and headcounts within the federal government. Ramaswamy has since left this new Department of Government Efficiency (Doge) to run for governor of Ohio.

But the email on Tuesday bore resemblance to one sent to employees of Twitter, now X, in late 2022 after Musk bought the social media platform. He asked for an emailed response if they wanted to remain at the company.

This wasn't Trump's Idea. This was Musk's idea.
And those saying Trump doesn't have the authority or power to make such a deal are probably right. And I seriously doubt that he'd live up to the bargain. The workers will not get the money, because it'll be fought over in Congress, it will be challenged in Court, it will be delayed and pushed back and futzed with until the workers wind up with nothing.
And I'll bet money there'll be a clause in it that "Hey, you resigned taking this money, you don't get Retirement Benefits either"

[bilateralrope]

If you want to see the full text of the email: The Federal Workforce Resignation Email.

As for the email system used to send it out:
Lawsuit claims systems behind OPM governmentwide email blast are illegal, insecure

A pair of whistleblowers believe the office skirted the law by not conducting a privacy impact assessment for an alleged “on-prem” server used to send mass emails to federal employees and store information from responses.
By
Billy Mitchell

January 28, 2025

Alawsuit filed in federal court Monday alleges that the Office of Personnel Management set up an on-premise server to conduct last week’s mass email blast to federal employees and store information it received in response without doing a privacy impact assessment on the system as required by law.

Filed by two anonymous federal employees in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, the class-action lawsuit calls for OPM to stop the use of the system until the agency can show that it’s lawfully conducted a privacy assessment.

The two employees accuse OPM officials of deploying the new server — which is said to be “retaining information about every employee of the U.S. Executive Branch” or potentially doing so through systems linked to it — in a “rapid” manner without building proper security measures into it or assessing the privacy impacts as required by the E-Government Act of 2002.

On Friday, OPM sent a mass email to employees across the federal government — though not every federal employee received it, including one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit — to test “a new distribution and response list,” asking recipients to reply “yes.” Over the weekend, federal employees received another test “to confirm that an email can be sent and replied to by all government employees.” Some agency and department heads gave guidance to their employees that the emails from OPM could be trusted.

The complaint goes on to say: “OPM has not conducted a PIA for this unknown email server or any system which collects or maintains Personally Identifiable Information (“PII”) obtained from its use,” nor has a chief information officer or equivalent agency official signed off on an assessment. Finally, such an assessment would need to be made publicly available for review.

“OPM’s failure to take these steps constitutes agency action unlawfully withheld or unreasonably delayed in violation of 5 U.S.C. § 706(1),” the lawsuit states. “Plaintiffs are being materially harmed by this inaction because they are being denied information about how these systems — which will be rich in PII about every employee of the U.S. Executive Branch — are being designed and used.”

As a measure of relief, the plaintiffs call for an injunction of the systems involved in the matter until OPM conducts the required privacy assessment.

The unnamed plaintiffs also share concerns about the security of the server or any systems used in the mass email operation, calling into question the encryption of email communications involved.

The plaintiffs cite the 2015 OPM hack that impacted more than 21 million federal employees as an example of what can go awry when one system, without adequate security controls, contains so much sensitive information.

“Standard email is not encrypted, and it is common practice among hackers — including hackers affiliated with hostile foreign services — to begin attempting to access a new U.S. Government device as soon as they learn of its deployment,” the lawsuit reads.

It continued: “Plaintiffs stand to continue to be harmed by this ongoing inaction in the future beyond the informational injury, since they will face a reasonably foreseeable risk that their PII will be unlawfully obtained from these unknown systems, much as the data of millions of federal employees were unlawfully obtained from another OPM server in 2014.”

The whistleblowers cite “an OPM employee for nearly a decade and a Federal Employee for almost 20 years” who posted detailed information to a union chat as the source of their information. That message also alleges that Melvin Brown II, who was replaced as OPM CIO last week after the Trump administration took office, “​​was pushed aside just one week into his tenure because he refused to setup email lists to send out direct communications to all career civil servants.”

The union chat message, which has also been circulated on Reddit, claims that OPM employees are being instructed to send lists of email addresses that respond to the message blasts to a woman named Amanda Scales, who has worked for Elon Musk. President Donald Trump previously named the tech billionaire the leader of the new Department of Government Efficiency.

Last week, Trump issued an executive order embedding the DOGE as part of the U.S. Digital Service and renaming the White House digital team the U.S. DOGE Service. As part of that overhaul, Trump also called for the federal agency leaders to “take all necessary steps, in coordination with the USDS Administrator and to the maximum extent consistent with law, to ensure USDS has full and prompt access to all unclassified agency records, software systems, and IT systems.”

OPM last week also created an email account meant to collect reports of suspected diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives. In a Jan. 21 memo, OPM directed agencies to collect reports of any efforts to disguise such initiatives.

Yes, this does reek of Musk.

[Solauren]

Americans, remember something: The majority of you wanted this insanity.

Either by Voting Trump, or Not Voting at all.

[Solauren]

Now, here's a thought for the American members of SD.NET

Trump is in charge, and he's playing mini-Tyrannt.

So, what to do now?
Well, if I was an American, I'd be breaking out the old concept of 'civil disobedience', but in a modern way.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is supposed to be preparing for, and executing, mass deportations, and have set up tip lines, etc.

Okay, use that.

BUT.... use it the way the money should be being spent.

Phone or Email tips about 'immigrant hiding spots', but in reality, you've called in the location of things like...
Crack Houses
Gang Club Houses
and other local problems that seem to get ignored.
(quite frankly, the idea of ICE raiding a Crack House is mildly amusing. The idea of them investigating Hells Angels or the like is downright hilarious)

Now, ICE has to investigate, and if they launch a raid, well, I believe as they would have had a warrant, anything they run into can be used in Federal Court for other charges.
(Quicker then standard law enforcement).

After that
Know any businesses that were big MAGA supporters?
Why, I think they have illegals working for them....
They'll now be investigated/harashed.
And hopefully get of the mindset - Trump betrayed me!

Know of a Slumlord?
He's got illegals living there and working for him!
(And they'd hate to be looked at by federal authorities).

You get the idea.

In short, use ICE and Trumps 'tattle lines', to harass the people that need to be harassed, as well as Trump's supporters.

[Gandalf]

Americans, remember something: The majority of you wanted this insanity.

Either by Voting Trump, or Not Voting at all.

That last part is a long bow to draw, especially considering how godawful the voting is in the US.

[Solauren]

Americans, remember something: The majority of you wanted this insanity.

Either by Voting Trump, or Not Voting at all.

That last part is a long bow to draw, especially considering how godawful the voting is in the US.

Voter Turn out, according to Wikipedia
Trump - 77,302,580 49.80%
Harris - 75,017,613 48.32%

Also, according to most analysis sites I've seen; (i.e https://ballotpedia.org/Election_result ... l_election)

The overall turnout of eligible voters in the 2024 general election was 63.7%.[1] This was lower than the 2020 record of 66.6%[2] but higher than every other election year since at least 2004.

So that would mean about 70 million people chose not to vote. If even 3 million of them had voted in the right states, Trump would have lost again.

Like I said, you did it to yourselves.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

I've read the reason at least 1 person refused the pardon. She regrets her actions that day, and doesn't believe she's repaid her debt to society.
You have to respect that. No idea about #2.

The ones that are getting into legal trouble? Well, if they were scummy enough to be part of Jan 6, and then except the pardon, it comes as no surprise they'd doing stupid shit still.

I found an article that covers the other one. Here's the key quote:

“I don’t need to obsess over a narcissistic bully to feel better about myself,” he said. “Trump can shove his pardon up his ass.”

I didn't think a pardon was something that even could be refused because it would be applied automatically.

[bilateralrope]

Now, here's a thought for the American members of SD.NET

Trump is in charge, and he's playing mini-Tyrannt.

So, what to do now?
Well, if I was an American, I'd be breaking out the old concept of 'civil disobedience', but in a modern way.

Ask A Manager did a piece titled: questions from federal workers who are currently under attack. It seems like someone any federal worker should read.

Right down the bottom is a link to a CIA guidebook that was distributed in Nazi occupied countries about how people could resist:
CIA.gov link
Wayback machine, if you're worried about the logs on the CIA website.

Phone or Email tips about 'immigrant hiding spots', but in reality, you've called in the location of things like...

That won't help much when those are already being flooded to make the inboxes unreadable. Just like what happened with Utah in may and Texas in september. I'm not sure why the Bee movie has become a customary part of this.

[LadyTevar]

Americans, remember something: The majority of you wanted this insanity.

Either by Voting Trump, or Not Voting at all.

That last part is a long bow to draw, especially considering how godawful the voting is in the US.

And considering EVERY AMERICAN ON THIS BOARD FUCKIN VOTED NO, it's a misplaced attack. Take your high horse and shove it up your arse. We did our part, we're just as fuckin' angry as you that we lost. Go find something USEFUL to bitch about, and stop attacking us Americans who did our part to stop the tyrant.

[Solauren]

That wasn't an attack. Trust me, if I attack, you know about it.
(And it would probably be followed by banning me, and it would be justified).

I'm pointing out part of the problem that is being overlooked. That has been constantly overlooked that you can't afford to overlook anymore.
And that problem is - the people that didn't vote. The people that don't give a fuck, don't see a point, or whatever else that causes them to note vote.

You need to push back against Trump, you need to fight the current Republican mindset, but you can't forget his biggest aid; voter apathy.