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SO someone explain to me why the US and Russia are having a Peace Talk in Saudi Arabia over Ukraine, but NOONE FROM UKRAINE was invited to the Meeting?

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The US and Russia are holding talks in Saudi Arabia about the war in Ukraine - it's the most significant high-level meeting since Moscow's full-scale invasion three years ago

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is speaking to US Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Neither Ukraine nor Europe are invited - so who's at the table?

The Kremlin says Vladimir Putin is prepared to speak to Volodymyr Zelensky "if necessary"; Zelensky has repeatedly said he won't recognise a peace deal negotiated without Ukraine

The US says today's talks are a first step to see if Russia is "serious" about ending the war, while Russia says it hopes to normalise relations with America
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That's just like the Trump peace plan for Israel and Palestine. Where Palestine didn't have anyone at the negotiations.

Except this time there is the danger that someone might use Ukraine's refusal to go along with the deal to convince Trump to support Russia.
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Why would they have people they deem lesser than themselves to the party? Trump has been slobbing Putins nob for a long time and this is nothing new.
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Because Ukraine has some mineral wealth that they are willing to trade in exchange for protection from Russia.

If only the guy who claims to have written The Art of the Deal understood that he needs to pay for things.

Zelenskyy tells aides to reject U.S. pitch for 50% of Ukraine’s rare earth minerals
The Ukrainian president did not feel the draft agreement included security guarantees for Kyiv.

Feb. 17, 2025, 6:24 PM GMT+13
By Kristen Welker, Courtney Kube, Carol E. Lee and Nnamdi Egwuonwu


Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has told his aides to reject Trump administration officials' proposal that would grant the United States significant access to Ukraine’s rare earth minerals, a Ukrainian official close to Zelenskyy confirmed to NBC News.

U.S. officials said the proposal would be a form of repayment for the support Washington has provided Kyiv since its war with Russia began, but according to the aide close to him, Zelenskyy did not feel the agreement included adequate security guarantees for Ukraine.

Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent first proposed the draft agreement, which would have granted the United States 50% ownership of Ukraine’s rare earth minerals, to Zelenskyy last week, NBC News reported.

“I didn’t let the ministers sign a relevant agreement because in my view it is not ready to protect us, our interest,” Zelenskyy said at the Munich Security Conference in a quote first reported by The Associated Press on Saturday.

A U.S. official called Zelenskyy’s response to the offer “short-sighted,” adding that it would secure an “enduring partnership” between the two countries.

“Binding economic ties with the United States will be the best guarantee against future aggression and an integral part of lasting peace. The U.S. recognizes this, the Russians recognize this, and the Ukrainians must recognize this,” the official said.

U.S. officials briefed on the proposal signaled an openness to deploying American troops to Ukraine to guard the minerals — but only after a deal with Russia to end the war was agreed to.

Zelenskyy declined to sign the draft when Bessent first presented it during their meeting in Kyiv on Wednesday, saying he needed to study it and consult others about it, officials briefed on the meeting told NBC News.

President Donald Trump said in a recent interview with Fox News that he wanted the United States to get $500 billion worth of Ukraine’s rare earth minerals and that Kyiv “essentially agreed to do so.”

Ukraine has some of the world’s largest reserves of titanium and iron ore, both of which are used to make a variety of technology products. Many of the minerals, however, are in areas now controlled by Russian troops, according to U.S. officials.

Ukrainian officials have said Zelenskyy has long backed the idea of exchanging “critical resources” for continued U.S. support, calling the idea part of the “Victory Plan” that he presented to Trump at a meeting last fall.

In an exclusive interview Friday at the Munich Security Conference, Zelenskyy told NBC News’ “Meet the Press” moderator Kristen Welker that Ukraine would have a "low chance to survive without support of the United States," but Trump has long questioned the amount of support the U.S. has sent to it, referring to Zelenskyy at a campaign event last year as “the greatest salesman of all time.”
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LadyTevar wrote: 2025-02-18 07:26am SO someone explain to me why the US and Russia are having a Peace Talk in Saudi Arabia over Ukraine, but NOONE FROM UKRAINE was invited to the Meeting?
Because no one gives a fuck about the Ukraine, all the US cared about was using it to weaken Russia via proxy wars and profiting from both the war and the resource grab afterwards. Ukraine ain't invited because they're about to get carved up like a turkey by both sides.

Then there's the fact that Ukraine doesn't have a legitimate leader or government right now since the terms for both expired last year, but that's not really important.
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LadyTevar wrote: 2025-02-18 07:26amSO someone explain to me why the US and Russia are having a Peace Talk in Saudi Arabia over Ukraine, but NOONE FROM UKRAINE was invited to the Meeting?
For roughly the same reason that Molotov and Von Ribbentrop didn't invite anyone from the Polish government to their big meeting.

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Donald Trump’s demand for a $500bn (£400bn) “payback” from Ukraine goes far beyond US control over the country’s critical minerals. It covers everything from ports and infrastructure to oil and gas, and the larger resource base of the country.
The terms of the contract that landed at Volodymyr Zelensky’s office a week ago amount to the US economic colonisation of Ukraine, in legal perpetuity. It implies a burden of reparations that cannot possibly be achieved. The document has caused consternation and panic in Kyiv.
The Telegraph has obtained a draft of the pre-decisional contract, marked “Privileged & Confidential’ and dated Feb 7 2025. It states that the US and Ukraine should form a joint investment fund to ensure that “hostile parties to the conflict do not benefit from the reconstruction of Ukraine”.

The agreement covers the “economic value associated with resources of Ukraine”, including “mineral resources, oil and gas resources, ports, other infrastructure (as agreed)”, leaving it unclear what else might be encompassed. “This agreement shall be governed by New York law, without regard to conflict of laws principles,” it states.
The US will take 50pc of recurring revenues received by Ukraine from extraction of resources, and 50pc of the financial value of “all new licences issued to third parties” for the future monetisation of resources. There will be “a lien on such revenues” in favour of the US. “That clause means ‘pay us first, and then feed your children’,” said one source close to the negotiations.
It states that “for all future licences, the US will have a right of first refusal for the purchase of exportable minerals”. Washington will have sovereign immunity and acquire near total control over most of Ukraine’s commodity and resource economy. The fund “shall have the exclusive right to establish the method, selection criteria, terms, and conditions” of all future licences and projects. And so forth, in this vein. It seems to have been written by private lawyers, not the US departments of state or commerce.
President Zelensky himself proposed the idea of giving the US a direct stake in Ukraine’s rare earth elements and critical minerals on a visit to Trump Tower in September, hoping to smooth the way for continued arms deliveries.
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Volodymyr Zelensky proposed a US stake in Ukraine’s minerals production when he met Donald Trump in September Credit: Ukraine presidential press service /EPA-EFE/Shutterstock
He calculated that it would lead to US companies setting operations on the ground, creating a political tripwire that would deter Vladimir Putin from attacking again.
Some mineral basins are near the front line in eastern Ukraine, or in Russian-occupied areas. He has played up the dangers of letting strategic reserves of titanium, tungsten, uranium, graphite and rare earths fall into Russian hands. “If we are talking about a deal, then let’s do a deal, we are only for it,” he said.


If this draft were accepted, Trump’s demands would amount to a higher share of Ukrainian GDP than reparations imposed on Germany at the Versailles Treaty, later whittled down at the London Conference in 1921, and by the Dawes Plan in 1924. At the same time, he seems willing to let Russia off the hook entirely.
Donald Trump told Fox News that Ukraine had “essentially agreed” to hand over $500bn. “They have tremendously valuable land in terms of rare earths, in terms of oil and gas, in terms of other things,” he said.
He warned that Ukraine would be handed to Putin on a plate if it rejected the terms. “They may make a deal. They may not make a deal. They may be Russian someday, or they may not be Russian someday. But I want this money back,” he said.
Trump said the US had spent $300bn on the war so far, adding that it would be “stupid” to hand over any more. In fact the five packages agreed by Congress total $175bn, of which $70bn was spent in the US on weapons production. Some of it is in the form of humanitarian grants, but much of it is lend-lease money that must be repaid.

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham suggested at the Munich Security Conference over the weekend that Trump’s demand was a clever ploy to bolster declining popular support for the Ukrainian cause. “He can go to the American people and say, ‘Ukraine is not a burden, it is a benefit,’” he said.
Sen Graham told the Europeans to root hard for the idea because it locks Washington into defending a future settlement. “If we sign this minerals agreement, Putin is screwed, because Trump will defend the deal,” he said.
Ukrainian officials had to tiptoe though this minefield at the Munich forum, trying to smile gamely and talking up hopes of a resource deal while at the same pleading that the current text breaches Ukrainian law and needs redrafting. Well, indeed.

Talk of Ukraine’s resource wealth has become surreal. A figure of $26 trillion is being cast around for combined mineral reserves and hydrocarbons reserves. The sums are make-believe.
Ukraine probably has the largest lithium basin in Europe. But lithium prices have crashed by 88pc since the bubble burst in 2022. Large reserves are being discovered all over the world. The McDermitt Caldera in Nevada is thought to be the biggest lithium deposit on the planet with 40m metric tonnes, alone enough to catapult the US ahead of China.
The Thacker Pass project will be operational by next year. The value of lithium is in the processing and the downstream industries. Unprocessed rock deposits sitting in Ukraine are all but useless to the US.

It is a similar story for rare earths. They are not rare. Mining companies in the US abandoned the business in the 1990s because profit margins were then too low. The US government was asleep at the wheel and let this happen, waking up to discover that China has acquired a strategic stranglehold over supplies of critical elements needed for hi-tech and advanced weapons. That problem is being resolved.
Ukraine has cobalt but most EV batteries now use lithium ferrous phosphate and no longer need cobalt. Furthermore, sodium-ion and sulphur-based batteries will limit the future demand growth for lithium. So will recycling. One could go on. The mineral scarcity story is wildly exaggerated.
As for Ukraine’s shale gas, a) some of the Yuzivska field lies under Putin control, and b) the western Carpathian reserves are in complex geology with high drilling costs, causing Chevron to pull out, just as it did in Poland. Ukraine has more potential as an exporter of electricity to Europe from renewables and nuclear expansion, but that is not what is on Donald Trump’s mind.
Ukraine shale gas is too expensive to extract

Ukraine cannot possibly meet his $500bn demand in any meaningful timeframe, leaving aside the larger matter of whether it is honourable to treat a victim nation in this fashion after it has held the battle line for the liberal democracies at enormous sacrifice for three years. Who really has a debt to whom, may one ask?
“My style of dealmaking is quite simple and straightforward,” says Trump in his book The Art of the Deal. “I aim very high, and then I just keep pushing and pushing and pushing to get what I’m after.”

In genuine commerce the other side can usually walk away. Trump’s demand is iron-fist coercion by a neo-imperial power against a weaker nation with its back to the wall, and all for a commodity bonanza that exists chiefly in Trump’s head.
“Often-times the best deal you make is the deal you don’t make,” said Trump, offering another of his pearls.
Zelensky does not have that luxury. He has to pick between the military violation of Ukraine by Putin, and the economic violation of Ukraine by his own ally.
They'd be better off surrendering unconditionally to Russia and being annexed than accepting these terms.
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In A Monday Night Declaration, The White House Admits Musk And DOGE Violated The CFAA (Although They Might Not Realize It)
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Tue, Feb 18th 2025 05:24am - Cathy Gellis


Suing Elon Musk and DOGE has finally led to at least one thing: the White House now finally defining Musk’s role in government. On Monday night, in the New Mexico v. Musk, it claimed him as a “an employee of the White House Office” with only “the ability to advise the President, or communicate the President’s directives.”

This filing, with is accompanying declaration, was made to tell the court that Musk “’has no actual or formal authority to make government decisions himself’—including personnel decisions at individual agencies.” (Nor does DOGE have such authority.) It came up because in Monday’s hearing about the TRO New Mexico and over a dozen more states had sought to, among other things, restrain Musk and DOGE from causing the firing of any more personnel. The DOJ is now trying to claim that neither Musk nor DOGE were ever responsible for any personnel firing decisions.

But it’s a strategy that seems too cute by half and one that potentially creates more issues for Musk and DOGE than it purports to solve. Because the filing serves as a big neon sign saying that Musk had little authority.

So then what the hell was he doing demanding that anyone from DOGE get access to the nation’s most sensitive computer systems?

It certainly looks like it was access “without authorization” that the CFAA punishes because there was no authorization that this particular status as a White House employee could endow him with to entitle him, or his delegates, the access they took. Nor, apparently, did it. From the declaration:
“Mr. Musk is an employee of the White House Office. He holds that position as a non-career Special Government Employee (“SGE”). In that job, Mr. Musk is a Senior Advisor to the President. […] In his role as a Senior Advisor to the President, Mr. Musk has no greater authority than other senior White House advisors. Like other senior White House advisors, Mr. Musk has no actual or formal authority to make government decisions himself. Mr. Musk can only advise the President and communicate the President’s directives.”
Perhaps the DOJ is hoping that “communicate the President’s directives” gave Musk the power to demand the access, as if his authorization somehow flowed from the President. But the President didn’t have the authority to demand the agency access Musk and DOGE took because, as other litigation is pointing out, such access was limited by statute.

The DOJ is also trying to dance around the Constitution by claiming that DOGE is mere “component of the Executive Office of the President.” But Musk and DOGE have been doing more than just advising the White House. Although disclaimed now, the firings, contract breaches, and payment freezes seem to have been at their hands. But even if they were only the byproduct of “recommendations” Musk and DOGE had made they were recommendations made in the shadow of their unauthorized access to these sensitive computer systems and all their data—access which they have also used to directly interfere with agency operations, at times by even having direct access to their code.

There is nothing advisory about any of those activities. The very real problem the country is facing is that Musk and DOGE are asserting a coercive power to seize access to these systems, which has then fueled their destruction. And what this case is challenging is that constitutionally they should have had no such power to do any of it.
The White House has declared, in a court filing, that Musk and DOGE don't have any authority to make their own decisions.

That's not going to be an easy thing for Trump to walk back.
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aerius wrote: 2025-02-18 09:41am
LadyTevar wrote: 2025-02-18 07:26am SO someone explain to me why the US and Russia are having a Peace Talk in Saudi Arabia over Ukraine, but NOONE FROM UKRAINE was invited to the Meeting?
Because no one gives a fuck about the Ukraine,
Plenty of people do
Then there's the fact that Ukraine doesn't have a legitimate leader or government right now since the terms for both expired last year, but that's not really important.
Pray tell how Ukraine can organize democratic elections under martial law, in the middle of a full scale invasion where the Russian aggressor occupies a fifth of their country? Off course calling Zelensky illegitimate is a convenient fake argument for Putin, so he can break any treaty or agreement in the future whenever its convenient for him (like he always does).
While we're at it, what makes the Russian dictator the legitimate leader of Russia? There haven't been any real elections in Russia since the year 2000
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Zaune wrote: 2025-02-18 09:47am
LadyTevar wrote: 2025-02-18 07:26amSO someone explain to me why the US and Russia are having a Peace Talk in Saudi Arabia over Ukraine, but NOONE FROM UKRAINE was invited to the Meeting?
For roughly the same reason that Molotov and Von Ribbentrop didn't invite anyone from the Polish government to their big meeting.


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They'd be better off surrendering unconditionally to Russia and being annexed than accepting these terms.
Orange Mussolini and Putin can decide whatever temporary cease fire they want. If Ukraine decides that continuing it's self defense against Russian aggression is the better alternative, the war will continue. If that causes the US to stop its support to Ukraine, it'll certainly cause more innocent deaths, but given Russia's genocidal intent, Ukraine has no other option than to resist
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God damn it, you'd think people would have learned from the 1930's thing - though the fact that Lindsey Graham, utter cockroach, spoke about this at the Munich Security Conference is...is there a word for something that hilarious, ironic, tragic and infuriating all at once? Honestly if I wrote that little detail into a film script it'd get rejected for being too absurd.
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wautd wrote: 2025-02-18 10:46am
aerius wrote: 2025-02-18 09:41am Because no one gives a fuck about the Ukraine,
Plenty of people do
Easy to say "we stand with Ukraine" from behind a keyboard. Are willing to go to war for them? Send your children off to die for the Ukrainian cause? Lots of yapping in NATO but I doubt anyone's willing to fight. EU won't even send forces in until there's a ceasefire, and the only ones willing to send troops into an active war are the Baltics and UK.
Pray tell how Ukraine can organize democratic elections under martial law, in the middle of a full scale invasion where the Russian aggressor occupies a fifth of their country? Off course calling Zelensky illegitimate is a convenient fake argument for Putin, so he can break any treaty or agreement in the future whenever its convenient for him (like he always does).
Maybe they should've thought of that and pulled a Churchill instead of letting their terms expire.
While we're at it, what makes the Russian dictator the legitimate leader of Russia? There haven't been any real elections in Russia since the year 2000
The fact that he's recognized as the legitimate leader of Russia by every world leader who matters.
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aerius wrote: 2025-02-18 12:30pm The fact that he's recognized as the legitimate leader of Russia by every world leader who matters.
Maybe they should've thought of that and pulled a Churchill instead of letting their terms expire.
The juxtaposition here is just lovely.
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LadyTevar wrote: 2025-02-18 07:26am SO someone explain to me why the US and Russia are having a Peace Talk in Saudi Arabia over Ukraine, but NOONE FROM UKRAINE was invited to the Meeting?
Because they're NOT peace talks. The US & Russia had a meeting in Saudi Arabia to discuss ways of establishing & improving contacts between the two nations so that there's some form of diplomatic relations in place to enable future peace talks for the Ukraine & other regions of the world. Once again. These are not peace negotiations. This is establishing the diplomatic relations & framework that's required for peace negotiations to take place in the future.
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aerius wrote: 2025-02-18 09:41am
LadyTevar wrote: 2025-02-18 07:26am SO someone explain to me why the US and Russia are having a Peace Talk in Saudi Arabia over Ukraine, but NOONE FROM UKRAINE was invited to the Meeting?
aerius wrote:Because no one gives a fuck about the Ukraine
Plenty of people care, especially here in Europe. The US should care as well or fight here later.

And it's Ukraine, not "the Ukraine".
aerius wrote:all the US cared about was using it to weaken Russia via proxy wars and profiting from both the war and the resource grab afterwards.
Ukraine isn't a fucking proxy war, you moron! Ukraine was invaded first in 2014 when Putin saw an opportunity and with the full-scale invasion in 2022. Ukraine is in a direct defensive war.
aerius wrote:Then there's the fact that Ukraine doesn't have a legitimate leader or government right now since the terms for both expired last year, but that's not really important.
Another talking point straight from the Kremlin and which is also an alternative fact á la Trump. Zelensky is the legitimate leader as well as the Rada. The Ukrainian constitution doesn't allow for elections to be held in the circumstances the country is in: at war, with martial law and with some 20 percent of the country under occupation. In fact many, if not most, countries have similar provisions in their constitutions (here in Sweden the parliament, the riksdag, would be suspended if war broke out and be replaced by a war delegation).

The United Kingdom didn't hold and suspended elections during the period 1935-1945. Was Churchill illegitimate?
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LadyTevar wrote: 2025-02-18 07:26am SO someone explain to me why the US and Russia are having a Peace Talk in Saudi Arabia over Ukraine, but NOONE FROM UKRAINE was invited to the Meeting?
Because Ukraine is wholly irrelevant to the outcome. From what I've read, the outcome they're chasing is that Russia gets land, while the US gets rights to the resources in Ukraine.

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Actually, I think J is closer to the truth then the claims of 'peace talks'. (Watch, Trump proves that wrong).

Things like that can take weeks or even months to even set up.

Take the Korean War for example -
(From Wikipedia)
Talks concerning an armistice started 10 July 1951, in Kaesong, a North Korean city in North Hwanghae Province, near the South Korean border.
The two primary negotiators were Chief of Army Staff General Nam Il, a North Korean deputy premier, and United States Vice Admiral Charles Turner Joy. After a period of two weeks, on 26 June 1951, a five-part agenda was agreed upon, which guided talks until the signing of the armistice on 27 July 1953.

So, the Korean war started on 25 June 1950, just over a year later, both sides agreed to talks. It took 2 weeks to set up a basic framework, and then 22 YEARS to negotiated and signed.

And that was when both sides wanted the fighting to end, and were willing to accept a 'draw' as it where, with pre-war borders firmed up.
There is no way Putin will accept pre-conflict borders, especially since Ukraine would insist would be their pre 2014 borders.

Setting up peace talks, unless one side suddenly begins a collapse, is not going to be quick.
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Solauren wrote: 2025-02-18 08:48pm Actually, I think J is closer to the truth then the claims of 'peace talks'. (Watch, Trump proves that wrong).
Yeah that is kinda the issue, isn't it? How likely is it that Donald Trump doesn't see this as a summit to haggle out an agreement to end the war? And if he acts accordingly, well...
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Solauren wrote: 2025-02-18 08:48pm Actually, I think J is closer to the truth then the claims of 'peace talks'. (Watch, Trump proves that wrong).

Things like that can take weeks or even months to even set up.

Take the Korean War for example -
(From Wikipedia)
Talks concerning an armistice started 10 July 1951, in Kaesong, a North Korean city in North Hwanghae Province, near the South Korean border.
The two primary negotiators were Chief of Army Staff General Nam Il, a North Korean deputy premier, and United States Vice Admiral Charles Turner Joy. After a period of two weeks, on 26 June 1951, a five-part agenda was agreed upon, which guided talks until the signing of the armistice on 27 July 1953.

So, the Korean war started on 25 June 1950, just over a year later, both sides agreed to talks. It took 2 weeks to set up a basic framework, and then 22 YEARS to negotiated and signed.

And that was when both sides wanted the fighting to end, and were willing to accept a 'draw' as it where, with pre-war borders firmed up.
There is no way Putin will accept pre-conflict borders, especially since Ukraine would insist would be their pre 2014 borders.

Setting up peace talks, unless one side suddenly begins a collapse, is not going to be quick.
I think you meant 2 years, not 22 years :mrgreen:
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On that note

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... rcna192710
Trump says Ukraine 'should have never started it' in comments about war with Russia
Trump made the remark while deriding Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, whose country was invaded by Russia in February 2022.

U.S. and Russia holds talks over ending war in Ukraine
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President Donald Trump suggested Tuesday that Ukraine was responsible for Russia's invasion of the country three years ago, arguing Kyiv could have made a deal to avoid the conflict.

“You should have never started it,” Trump said of Ukraine while criticizing President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who had expressed concern that his country was not included in talks between the U.S. and Russia in Saudi Arabia.

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"I think I have the power to end this war, and I think it's going very well. But today I heard, 'Oh, well, we weren't invited.' Well, you've been there for three years," Trump told reporters at his Mar-a-Lago resort. "You should have never started it. You could have made a deal."


US, Russia meet to talk end of Ukraine war — without Zelenskyy
Trump went on to say: "I could have made a deal for Ukraine that would have given them almost all of the land, everything, almost all of the land, and no people would have been killed, and no city would have been demolished, and not one dome would have been knocked down. But they chose not to do it that way."

The Ukrainian Embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Trump's remarks.

The U.S. and Russia on Tuesday agreed to re-establish embassy staffing, diverging from previous American policy on the matter. Zelenskyy said earlier Tuesday that “Ukraine did not know anything about it.”

Trump, who said last week that he and President Vladimir Putin spoke by phone about ending the war, has made several comments bolstering the Russian president. He said during an interview with Fox News last month that Ukraine should not have fought when it was invaded by Russia.

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Trump also criticized Zelenskyy when asked by reporters if the U.S. would support Ukraine holding new elections as part of a potential peace deal with Russia.

“When they want a seat at the table, you could say the people have to, wouldn’t the people of Ukraine have to say, like, ‘You know, it’s been a long time since we’ve had an election.’ That’s not a Russia thing. That’s something coming from me and coming from many other countries also,” Trump said.

Ukraine last held a presidential election in 2019.
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Vile and disgusting. It's like blaming Poland for starting WW2 or the US for Pearl Harbor
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wautd wrote: 2025-02-19 01:59am
Vile and disgusting. It's like blaming Poland for starting WW2 or the US for Pearl Harbor
And as you would expect, the bot farms have jumped on this like flies on shit :wanker:
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Trump Calls Zelensky A Dictator

[/quote]Trump takes swipe at Zelensky's leadership
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"Zelensky better move fast or he is not going to have a country left," US President Donald Trump says in a post on Truth Social.

Labelling Zelensky "a dictator", Trump writes: "I love Ukraine, but Zelensky has done a terrible job, his country is shattered, and MILLIONS have unnecessarily died."

Trump says in the meantime, the US is "successfully negotiating an end to the war with Russia".

For context: Zelensky's presidential term expired last May, however Ukraine has been under martial law since the Russian invasion in February 2022, which means presidential elections are suspended.[/quote]

GEEE TRUMP, ISN'T THIS WHAT YOU WANT TO TRY? VOID ALL ELECTIONS AND REIGN AS DICTATOR OF THE US?!
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Trump says in the meantime, the US is "successfully negotiating an end to the war with Russia".
Well that certainly sounds like a peace talk to me.
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