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Solauren wrote: 2025-04-05 11:00pm If there is a large enough blue wave, Trump may not even get to finish his second term. I can imagine a Democrat controlled Senate and Congress would quickly impeach him, and Vance, to remove them from office.
Have a look at the presidential line of succession. Wikipedia lists the current people in line.

Position 1 is the vice president, which you have covered.

Positions 2 and 3 have an issue is mentioned further down the page
2. Doubt that the speaker of the House and the president pro tempore of the Senate are constitutionally eligible to act as president.
This means that there will be a lawsuit around separation of powers. It will get to SCOTUS, hopefully quickly.

Then the list moves back to cabinet secretaries. As members of the executive branch, they won't have the separation of powers issue. Which leads to a different concern on that page:
5. A concern that the succession line is ordered by the dates of creation of the various executive departments, without regard to the skills or capacities of the persons serving as secretary.
Especially with Trump's picks.
I could also see Musk arrested on espionage charges for all the government data he's been able to access without getting clearance via proper channels. (Really, if I was Musk, I'd make sure I was out of the United States during midterms in a country that has limited extradition to the United States and that doesn't like Interpol). Same with DOGE.
Which country would let Musk in ?
Also there is the little detail that the US would be able to freeze most of his assets. All of his shares in all of his companies. That's going to make it difficult for him to access money.
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China Just Turned Off U.S. Supplies Of Minerals Critical For Defense & Cleantech
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Last Updated on: 6th April 2025, 10:57 am

In April 2025, while most of the world was clutching pearls over trade war tit-for-tat tariffs, China calmly walked over to the supply chain and yanked out a handful of critical bolts. The bolts are made of dysprosium, terbium, tungsten, indium and yttrium—the elements that don’t make headlines but without which your electric car doesn’t run, your fighter jet doesn’t fly, and your solar panels go from clean energy marvels to overpriced roofing tiles. They’re minerals that show up on obscure government risk registers right before wars start or cleantech projects get quietly cancelled.

I’ve been on a bit of a critical minerals kick recently, starting to understand more about them and their roles in our economy. In addition to reading a lot of books and debunking some doomerist nonsense on the subject, I had the privilege of spending 90 minutes with Gavin Mudd, director of the critical minerals intelligence centre at the British Geological Survey, recently for Redefining Energy–Tech, talking about them, the West’s remarkable treatment of them as not critical for the past 40 years, and how hard it is for the West to actually rebuild capacity in the space (part 1, part 2). China’s actions led to me going deeper. I’ve also spent a fair amount of time talking to and following Lyle Trytten, the Nickel Nerd, whose career of engineering extraction and processing of minerals spans the globe.

What China did wasn’t a ban, at least not in name. They called it export licensing. Sounds like something a trade lawyer might actually be excited about. But make no mistake: this was a surgical strike. They didn’t need to say no. They just needed to say “maybe later” to the right set of paperwork. These licenses give Beijing control over not just where these materials go, but how fast they go, in what quantity, and to which politically convenient customers.

The U.S.? Let’s just say Washington should get comfortable waiting behind the rope line. The licenses have to be applied for and the end use including country of final destination must be clearly spelled out. Licenses for end uses in the U.S. are unlikely to be approved. What’s astonishing is how predictable this all was. China has spent decades building its dominance over these supply chains, while the U.S. was busy outsourcing, divesting, and cheerfully ignoring every report that said, “Hey, maybe 90% dependence on a single country we keep starting trade wars with and rattling sabers at is a bad idea.”

The materials China just restricted aren’t random. They’re chosen with the precision of someone who’s read U.S. product spec sheets and defense procurement orders. Start with dysprosium. If your electric motor needs to function at high temperatures—and they all do—then mostly it is using neodymium magnets doped with dysprosium. No dysprosium, no thermal stability. No thermal stability, no functioning motor in your F-35 or your Mustang Mach-E. China controls essentially the entire supply of dysprosium, and no, there is no magical mine in Wyoming or Quebec waiting in the wings. If dysprosium doesn’t come out of China, it doesn’t come out at all. It’s the spinal cord of electrification, and right now China’s holding the vertebrae.

Then there’s tungsten. The metal that makes bullets bulletproof. Literally. Tungsten is what you use when you need to cut, drill, punch, or penetrate anything harder than stale marshmallow. The U.S. hasn’t produced meaningful amounts of it since the Obama administration, and China sits on 80% of global production. Oh, sure, you can try Vietnam or Portugal, but good luck getting those volumes at scale without waiting years and paying triple. Tungsten isn’t just in ammunition. It’s in the tiny vertical connections between layers of circuitry in semiconductor chip, CNC machine tools, and high-performance alloys that go into everything from jet engines to deep-drilling rigs. When China put tungsten behind a licensing wall, it wasn’t targeting one sector—it was targeting the industrial base of a specific big country that’s trying to re-grow precision manufacturing at scale.

Terbium, dysprosium’s equally awkward but equally vital cousin, got scooped up too. You want high-efficiency motors in your EVs and offshore wind turbines? You want night-vision goggles, sonar systems, or magnetostrictive actuators? You’re going to need terbium. Like dysprosium, terbium comes almost exclusively from Chinese soil, processed in Chinese facilities, and licensed by Chinese bureaucrats with a nuanced appreciation for geopolitical leverage. There’s no viable substitute that doesn’t involve performance compromises, re-engineering, or violating the laws of thermodynamics.

Indium is a quieter casualty but no less critical. It’s the transparent conductor that makes your screens light up, your fiber optics communicate, and your laser diodes actually lase. Without indium, touchscreens become paperweights, and 5G base stations start to look like 3G nostalgia boxes. The U.S. has zero domestic production, and while Canada, South Korea, and Japan produce some, the global market still revolves around Chinese supply. Try ramping up your semiconductor fab or solar plant when your indium source just dried up. It’s a fun exercise in learning which of your suppliers used to be dependent on Beijing but never mentioned it in the quarterly call.

And then there’s yttrium. The element so obscure it sounds like a typo, but without which high-temperature jet engine coatings don’t work, high-frequency radar systems don’t tune, and precision lasers don’t align. Yttrium is what makes YAG lasers possible, and it’s also what allows thermal barrier coatings on turbine blades to keep your aircraft engines from melting mid-flight. No YAG lasers, no laser target designators, LASIK, engraving, or spectroscopy. If your military likes flying, it likes yttrium. If you like affordable flights, you like yttrium too. And guess who has a near-monopoly on refining it? Hint: it’s not Australia, and it’s not Estonia. It’s China. Again.

The impacts ripple far beyond a few exotic gadgets or weapon systems. The defense sector is first in line, with guided munitions that rely on terbium-enhanced actuators, infrared imaging that needs tellurium, and stealth aircraft that won’t stay in the air without yttria-stabilized turbine blades. It’s not just about whether you can build the next missile. It’s whether your next missile flies straight, hits what it’s supposed to, and doesn’t fall apart from heat stress. Precision without materials is just expensive scrap metal. Those thick U.S. military budgets for the technology it depends on for overwhelming offensive superiority are going to be sitting around unspent.

Then there are semiconductors. Everyone loves to talk about the CHIPS Act, fab incentives, and America’s glorious return to silicon dominance. But no one mentions that your advanced chip process needs tungsten for interconnects and indium for high-speed optoelectronic interfaces. No one’s building 5G infrastructure without compound semiconductors, and no one’s building those chips without the post-transition metals China just turned into strategic bargaining chips. Oh, and U.S. advanced military systems? They need the chips too. U.S. smart munitions just lost 20 IQ points.

Clean technology is next, and it’s going to hit U.S. dreams of actually manufacturing EVs, solar panels, and wind turbines for its domestic market hard. Without dysprosium and terbium, your EV motor gets downgraded to a clunky, less efficient design that eats more power and delivers less range. Without tellurium, First Solar’s cadmium-telluride panels—the pride of U.S. solar manufacturing—become unbuildable. Without yttrium, the turbine blades in offshore wind projects suffer from higher fatigue and shorter life spans, so shards of GE Vernova’s blades would be washing up on more beaches if Trump hadn’t blown up those projects with an executive order. The states and cities trying to decarbonize around the gasoline-huffing federal government that’s currently in power are facing more challenges.

The economic implications aren’t subtle. Prices for these materials have already surged, and downstream costs are beginning to appear in everything from automotive supply chains to defense budgets. Expect cost overruns, delayed product launches, and nervous procurement officers asking if anyone, anywhere, has dysprosium in their garage. Six months ago staunch allies like Canada and Australia would have loved to help, although they couldn’t replace China overnight. But the same tariffs that led to China’s new licenses for critical minerals are hitting the former allies Trump is treating like enemies.

This didn’t need to happen. The warnings were there. The dependency ratios were published. The stockpile gaps were documented. But instead of building resilient supply chains, the U.S. chose to chase lowest-cost sourcing and pretend that critical materials would always be available like app updates or breakfast cereal. Now the reckoning is here, and it’s being administered by a country that understands resource leverage the way a tiger understands a sheep.

There’s still time to course correct, although it’s unlikely. That would require Trump to roll back his U.S.-economy destroying, recession-causing, enemy-making tariffs first, and return to the trade agreements and patterns that the U.S. was so integral to building. Then it would require have a careful bipartisan strategy for rebuilding critical minerals extracting, processing, and refining domestically and in allied states over the next 20 years (because that’s how long it’s going to take). It means supporting recycling at scale and developing substitutes that don’t require a PhD in regret. And it means being honest about the cost, and finding a way to square that with Wall Street bros who only care about the next quarterly earnings call.

So here we are. China has responded to Trump’s tariffs by cutting off U.S. supply of some of the most essential ingredients of the modern world. The U.S., meanwhile, is standing in the cold, holding a clipboard and wondering where the magnets went.
China knows how to hit Trump, Musk and the US where it hurts.
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bilateralrope wrote: 2025-04-07 01:38am Which country would let Musk in ?
Which ones wouldn't? (Comedy option: South Africa)
Also there is the little detail that the US would be able to freeze most of his assets. All of his shares in all of his companies. That's going to make it difficult for him to access money.
I don't think you grasp how money works at that level. People and institutions will loan or gift Musk millions of dollars solely out of respect for the how wealthy he is.
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Ralin wrote: 2025-04-07 02:00amWhich ones wouldn't? (Comedy option: South Africa)I don't think you grasp how money works at that level. People and institutions will loan or gift Musk millions of dollars solely out of respect for the how wealthy he is.
With his shares frozen during a criminal investigation, Musk suddenly won't be that wealthy. There will be no guarantee he can pay back those loans, especially if the freeze tanks the Tesla stock price and triggers margin calls on his existing loans.

Suddenly Musk will have nothing anyone wants.
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US defends tariffs on remote island of penguins and seals
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The US Commerce Secretary has defended the country's decision to impose tariffs on a group of uninhabited islands, which are populated only by penguins and seals.

The imposition of tariffs on the Heard and McDonald islands were meant to close "ridiculous loopholes" and would prevent other countries from shipping through the islands to reach the US, Howard Lutnick told the BBC's US partner CBS.

Authorities in Australia reacted with surprise last week when they found out about the tariffs on the island, which sits 4,000km (2,485 mi) from Australia.

Its trade minister Don Farrell told news outlet ABC that the imposition of tariffs was "clearly a mistake" indicating a "rushed process".

But when asked about the inclusion of the Australian territory on Trump's tariffs list, Lutnick said: "If you leave anything off the list, the countries that try to basically arbitrage America go through those countries to us."

"The President knows that, he's tired of it, and he's going to fix that."

Lutnick's interview was one of several given by US government officials to defend the president's new tariffs after all three major stock indexes in the US plunged more than 5% on Friday, in the worst week for the US stock market since 2020.

Shipping products through one port to another in a process known as transshipment is common in global trade. But Pew Charitable Trusts, a public policy organisation, says this method can also "enable bad actors to obscure or manipulate data" around the shipping events.

The NGO estimates that hundreds of millions of dollars of tuna and similar species are illegally moved via this method in the western and central Pacific each year.

It's difficult to get a clear picture on the imports from the Heard and McDonald islands to the US.

According to export data from the World Bank, the islands have, over the past few years, usually exported a small amount of products to the US.

But in 2022 the US imported US$1.4m (A$2.23m; ) from the territory, nearly all of it unnamed "machinery and electrical" products.

Also included on Trump's list was the British Indian Ocean territory, which is solely occupied by military personnel and requires a permit to visit. World Bank export data shows the territory exported US$414,350 to the US in 2022.
That's such a bad justification that I wonder if Lutnick understands that the islands are uninhabited.
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bilateralrope wrote: 2025-04-07 02:13am
With his shares frozen during a criminal investigation, Musk suddenly won't be that wealthy. There will be no guarantee he can pay back those loans, especially if the freeze tanks the Tesla stock price and triggers margin calls on his existing loans.

Suddenly Musk will have nothing anyone wants.
You're attributing a great deal of sense to people for whom millions of dollars is pocket change. And who could massively benefit on the off-chance that he ever climbs back to billionaire status.
That's such a bad justification that I wonder if Lutnick understands that the islands are uninhabited.
Really? I don't buy it but that is a thing that happens.
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bilateralrope wrote: 2025-04-07 02:13amSuddenly Musk will have nothing anyone wants.
Other than a lot of sensitive information that would do a lot of harm if it were to be disclosed to Russian or Chinese intelligence, which could be a problem if he decides to make a hasty exit before the arrest warrant goes out. Then again, since he'd almost certainly insist on hiring a private aircraft rather than flying commercial the collateral damage would be limited if he declined to surrender.

But in general, I think once the knives come out the least messy resolution would be going the 25th Amendment route rather than impeachment. (As long as everyone agrees not to comment on whether Trump is appreciably less fit to carry out his duties than he was a few months ago.) Vance would have to sign off on it, but what better way to deflect some of the blame?
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Zaune wrote: 2025-04-07 12:04pm But in general, I think once the knives come out the least messy resolution would be going the 25th Amendment route rather than impeachment. (As long as everyone agrees not to comment on whether Trump is appreciably less fit to carry out his duties than he was a few months ago.) Vance would have to sign off on it, but what better way to deflect some of the blame?
Problem is, that puts VANCE into the Presidency. Also, as Section 4 is untested, I can imagine Trump would fight it in Court. That could turn into a 3 Ring circus that would make OJ's murder trial look like a kid learning to play magician by comparison.
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JD "America needs to get over its dictator phobia" Vance as even a caretaker president is definitely a problem, yeah. But since he appears not to have had his brain smoothed out by the ravages of dementia and still at least loosely grasps the idea of consequences he's probably a manageable problem.
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I can't remember if it was Shep or Sea Skimmer who said something to the effect of "Let's see what a trillion dollar US defence budget can do!"
Well, looks like you're about to get your wish.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/0 ... t-00007147
Trump, Hegseth promise record $1 trillion Pentagon budget
The surprise announcement comes as the Defense Department prepares to lay off tens of thousands of civilians.

President Donald Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth pledged a first ever $1 trillion defense budget proposal on Monday, a record sum for the military.

Trump, during a press event with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said the upcoming budget would be “in the vicinity” of $1 trillion.

Hegseth went further in an X post on Monday evening, saying Trump “is rebuilding our military — and FAST.”

“COMING SOON: the first TRILLION dollar @DeptofDefense budget,” Hegseth posted from his personal account. “(PS: we intend to spend every taxpayer dollar wisely — on lethality and readiness).”

The number would be a significant increase from the $892 billion funding Congress allocated for national defense programs this year, which includes the Pentagon, nuclear weapons development and security programs at other agencies. It also comes as the armed services seeks to cut 8 percent of their individual budgets and reinvest the money in modernization efforts.

Hegseth is also planning to slash tens of thousands of department civilian employees across the globe as the Pentagon starts work on what is expected to include consolidation of domestic and overseas bases.

Their comments came as a surprise since the rollout of the federal budget isn’t expected until late May.

Trump did not specify if the $1 trillion would be solely for the Pentagon or the overall national defense budget, which includes other agencies. But national defense spending was already projected to exceed $900 billion in the upcoming budget.

“Nobody’s seen anything like it,” Trump told reporters. “We have to build our military, and we’re very cost-conscious, but the military is something that we have to build. And we have to be strong because you’ve got a lot of bad forces out there now.”

Republicans on Capitol Hill, separately, are planning an interim defense budget increase of up to $150 billion as part of their party-line efforts to boost military and border spending and slash taxes. Lawmakers haven’t settled on a final figure — the Senate has pushed for $150 billion while House Republicans have proposed $100 billion — although the Defense Department could likely spend that additional money over a decade.
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I doubt either of them wanted to see what a trillion dollar US defence budget could do in the hands of this pack of malicious idiots.
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Zaune wrote: 2025-04-08 11:17am I doubt either of them wanted to see what a trillion dollar US defence budget could do in the hands of this pack of malicious idiots.
Oh, the might want to just to see the proverbal train-wreck.
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Looks like the falling-out many predicted is happening:

Musk reportedly made several pushes for Trump to back off global tariffs surge
Elon Musk made personal, repeated attempts to try to get Donald Trump to back off from the wave of global tariffs that have created turmoil in international markets, it was reported on Tuesday.

Musk’s failure to get Trump to listen, however, is evidence to some observers of a growing rift between the US president and the world’s richest person, who has been leading the White House’s efforts to curb federal spending as head of the unofficial department of government efficiency (Doge).

Two sources confirmed to the Washington Post that Musk had made a number of personal approaches to Trump over the weekend to try to persuade him to reverse the slate of trade tariffs he announced last Thursday on a vast number of countries, many of them longstanding US allies.

Their imposition tanked stock markets worldwide on Monday, wiped trillions of dollars from the values of numerous companies, and dinged the wealth of several billionaire friends of Trump, including Musk, a founder of Tesla and SpaceX, and owner of X – whose personal fortune fell below $300bn for the first time since last year, according to reports.

Trump’s strategy has also drawn widespread criticism from economists, political opponents and even some members of his Republican party, with a rightwing libertarian group that has been funded by the conservative businessmen Leonard Leo and Charles Koch filing a lawsuit against the “illegal” tariffs.

The Post did not publish details of the conversations between Musk and Trump. But the president ultimately disregarded the representations and doubled down on his policy on Monday by threatening to impose an additional 50% tariff on China after it responded to the original trade levy by announcing a 34% tariff on US imports.

At the same time as Musk was pleading with Trump, he was appearing online at a rightwing conference in Italy calling for zero tariffs between the US and the European Union. “That has certainly been my advice to the president,” he told attenders of the far-right League party conference in Florence.

On Monday, Musk escalated an insult-heavy social media feud with Peter Navarro, a key Trump ally and White House trade adviser said to be a guiding force behind the tariffs strategy.

Over the weekend, in response to a video Navarro posted about the administration’s rationale for the tariff strategy, Musk attacked Navarro’s master’s degree in economics from Harvard University. Musk did the same in a reply to a commentator who praised the Navarro video, writing: “He ain’t built shit.”

More name-calling followed on Monday, after Navarro called Musk a “car assembler” rather than a manufacturer because many Tesla electric vehicle (EV) parts come from overseas.

“Navarro truly is a moron. What he says here is demonstrably false,” Musk said in one post. In another, he wrote a derogatory term for somebody with a learning disability and added: “Tesla has the most American-made cars. Navarro is dumber than a sack of bricks.”

Neither the Trump administration nor Musk responded to requests for comment.

The Post said Musk’s opposition to what has become Trump’s signature economic policy “marks the highest-profile disagreement between the president and one of his key advisers”. It follows reports that the billionaire will soon be leaving government to return to running his businesses.

Experts, however, expect the split to be amicable, with Musk set to retain close ties and influence with the president as well as on US politics generally.

“Elon is fantastic,” Trump told reporters on Air Force One on his way to Florida on Thursday, saying he wished Musk could stay in government but wanted to return to his various companies.

Tesla, in particular, has seen a sharp drop in sales of EVs in the US and Europe since Musk began his work for Doge. A backlash to Musk’s politics materialized in the form of protests and vandalism at his vehicle dealerships.

The FBI announced in March that it was forming a taskforce to target violence at Tesla sales points and charging stations, which included the discovery of incendiary devices at a dealership in Austin, Texas, and the arrest of a man in West Palm Beach, Florida, who allegedly tried to use an SUV to strike a group of protesters.

Shares in Tesla were trading at $233.29 at market close on Monday, Reuters reported, down more than 42% since the beginning of the year.

More trouble for Musk could be looming in Washington DC over potential conflicts of interest involving SpaceX, a key Nasa contractor.

The Democratic congressmen Gerald Connolly and Maxwell Frost have written to Nasa’s chief legal officer seeking information about $38bn in government contracts awarded to SpaceX at a time when Musk’s Doge is gutting federal spending and slashing jobs at numerous federal institutions, including the US government’s space agency.

“At Nasa, where Mr Musk has both benefited from significant contracts and has the potential to receive vast amounts of new business, his defiance of recusal laws and control of operations directly benefit his businesses,” the Democrats wrote.

“The known conflicts of interest presented by this arrangement are illegal and must be addressed immediately.”
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aerius wrote: 2025-04-08 10:49am I can't remember if it was Shep or Sea Skimmer who said something to the effect of "Let's see what a trillion dollar US defence budget can do!"
Well, looks like you're about to get your wish.
Except it's without all the minerals that China cut off. Which is going to be a major limiting factor.
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EnterpriseSovereign wrote: 2025-04-08 11:49pm Looks like the falling-out many predicted is happening:

Musk reportedly made several pushes for Trump to back off global tariffs surge
It sounds like Musk is starting to realize that he needs to make an effort to protect his wealth from the Trump administration. Instead of just cheering when they do something that hurts him.
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bilateralrope wrote: 2025-04-09 03:21am
EnterpriseSovereign wrote: 2025-04-08 11:49pm Looks like the falling-out many predicted is happening:

Musk reportedly made several pushes for Trump to back off global tariffs surge
It sounds like Musk is starting to realize that he needs to make an effort to protect his wealth from the Trump administration. Instead of just cheering when they do something that hurts him.
I saw something about the Koch Brothers also making a move, can't find the link now because it was on FB, and you know how posts you see once vanish without a trace.
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Zaune wrote: 2025-04-08 11:17am I doubt either of them wanted to see what a trillion dollar US defence budget could do in the hands of this pack of malicious idiots.
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Start with dysprosium. If your electric motor needs to function at high temperatures—and they all do—then mostly it is using neodymium magnets doped with dysprosium. No dysprosium, no thermal stability. No thermal stability, no functioning motor in your F-35 or your Mustang Mach-E. China controls essentially the entire supply of dysprosium, and no, there is no magical mine in Wyoming or Quebec waiting in the wings. If dysprosium doesn’t come out of China, it doesn’t come out at all. It’s the spinal cord of electrification, and right now China’s holding the vertebrae.
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USA Rare Earth said on Tuesday it has successfully produced a sample of dysprosium oxide (Dy₂O₃) with a purity of 99.1%. The company said this marks a breakthrough in domestic rare earth production.

The dysprosium oxide sample was produced using ore from the Round Top deposit in Texas. The ore was processed through USA Rare Earth’s proprietary extraction and purification technology, developed at its Wheat Ridge, Colorado research facility.

Verified by a third-party ISO 17025 certified lab, this sample demonstrates USA Rare Earth’s ability to extract and process high-purity rare earth oxides from its Texas Round Top deposit, the company said.

The only active rare earths mine in the US is Mountain Pass in California owned by MP Materials, which produces rare earths concentrate as well as separated and refined rare earths, including praseodymium-neodymium (NdPr) oxide, cerium and lanthanum.

The production of dysprosium oxide is significant due to its critical role in advanced technologies that rely on the unique properties of heavy rare earth elements, USA Rare Earth said. Dysprosium is a key component in technologies such as semiconductors, as well as in many neodymium (NdFeB) rare earth magnets.

I feel like you maybe haven't been paying attention.
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Problem with that Shep.

That kind of infrastructure build up to not be reliant on importing Rare Earth metals from outside of the US is going to take years. It's highly unlikely that will be done within the next 3 1/2 years - 4 years. (And I honestly don't expect Trump to live that long due to his age and probable health issues, let alone politically survive a Blue Wave putting the Democracts into control of the US Senate and Congress. But for the sake of argument, let's assume he does on both counts...)

What Trump is doing is gambling GLOBAL Economy stability, the United States military capabilities, United States industrial infrastructure, and US economic stability. All on the belief the people he's pissing off actually are actually going to wanting to deal with his crap now.

Odds are, the minor economies will deal with Trump, but the major ones? They'll tell him to fuck off if he makes stupid demands.

And all it's going to take is the British Commonwealth, European Union, and China to decide they make better trading partners with each other then the United States would with any of them, and the United States is buggered.

What Trump is trying should be possible, but it would take years of prep-work and build up. Build-up Trump didn't try to start during his First term in office.
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MKSheppard wrote: 2025-04-09 06:13pm
Start with dysprosium. If your electric motor needs to function at high temperatures—and they all do—then mostly it is using neodymium magnets doped with dysprosium. No dysprosium, no thermal stability. No thermal stability, no functioning motor in your F-35 or your Mustang Mach-E. China controls essentially the entire supply of dysprosium, and no, there is no magical mine in Wyoming or Quebec waiting in the wings. If dysprosium doesn’t come out of China, it doesn’t come out at all. It’s the spinal cord of electrification, and right now China’s holding the vertebrae.
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USA Rare Earth said on Tuesday it has successfully produced a sample of dysprosium oxide (Dy₂O₃) with a purity of 99.1%. The company said this marks a breakthrough in domestic rare earth production.

The dysprosium oxide sample was produced using ore from the Round Top deposit in Texas. The ore was processed through USA Rare Earth’s proprietary extraction and purification technology, developed at its Wheat Ridge, Colorado research facility.

Verified by a third-party ISO 17025 certified lab, this sample demonstrates USA Rare Earth’s ability to extract and process high-purity rare earth oxides from its Texas Round Top deposit, the company said.

The only active rare earths mine in the US is Mountain Pass in California owned by MP Materials, which produces rare earths concentrate as well as separated and refined rare earths, including praseodymium-neodymium (NdPr) oxide, cerium and lanthanum.

The production of dysprosium oxide is significant due to its critical role in advanced technologies that rely on the unique properties of heavy rare earth elements, USA Rare Earth said. Dysprosium is a key component in technologies such as semiconductors, as well as in many neodymium (NdFeB) rare earth magnets.
How much dysprosium can they produce ?

How much does the US use ?

I notice that the article is silent on those two points.
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From Google AI
While precise data on unmined dysprosium reserves in the US is limited, the US has significant rare earth reserves, estimated at 1.9 million metric tons, and the Mountain Pass mine in California is the only US rare earth mine, but it is not known how much of that is dysprosium.
Here's a more detailed breakdown
Okay, that appears to be a good number, on the surface.
US Rare Earth Reserves:
The US holds the seventh-largest rare earth reserves globally, estimated at 1.9 million metric tons.
Okay, so they are potentially a player on the stage, if a minor one.
Mountain Pass Mine:
The Mountain Pass mine in California is the only US rare earth mine, owned by MP Materials.
One mine can not produce all the material the US needs without alot of effort, and that will deplete the mine eventually.
Global Dysprosium Production:
China dominates the global dysprosium market, accounting for approximately 98% of the world's production.

US Dependence on Imports:
The US imports almost all of its dysprosium from China, the major miner and refiner.
So, the United States has been told to fuck off by the only supplier.
US Efforts to Strengthen the Rare Earth Industry:
The US government has been making efforts to strengthen its rare earth industry, including earmarking funds for rare earth and critical minerals processing technologies.
But those are years away from fruition.
Dysprosium Uses:
Dysprosium is used in permanent magnets, as an alloy, and for other applications like cooling nuclear reactors and making halide lamps.
There are alot more uses, but note the one that is important here- cooling nuclear reactors. So much for upgrading the United States power grid and generating capacity....
Other Rare Earth Deposits:
Besides the Mountain Pass mine, there are other rare earth deposits being explored in the US, such as in Wyoming.
Again, years away from Fruition.
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Donald Trump Thinks He Can End The Fentanyl Problem By… Hitting Drug Smugglers With Tariffs
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Thu, Apr 10th 2025 09:36am - Tim Cushing


What a surprise. The man who clearly doesn’t understand tariffs doesn’t understand drug trafficking. President Trump has repeatedly claimed the flow of illicit Fentanyl into the United States justifies hitting countries like Mexico, China, and Canada(???) with super-high tariffs, under the weird assumption that starting a trade war is the best move to make in a drug war.

Of the many things Trump doesn’t understand (or doesn’t care to understand) about tariffs, this latest bit of Truth Social activity (at nearly 1:00 am on a school night) makes it clear Trump also doesn’t understand how drug trafficking works. His April 1st post on his own social media service contains the expected free-form, randomly-capitalized, stream-of-unconsciousness we’ve come to expect from Trump social media missives.

But the most inadvertently hilarious part of this tirade is the assumption that tariffs can somehow make it unprofitable for people to illegally export products.

Here’s a screenshot of Trump’s original post:
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If you can’t read this or see the embed, consider yourself somewhat lucky. But since we’re discussing the content of this post, here’s what it says:
Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, and Rand Paul, also of Kentucky, will hopefully get on the Republican bandwagon, for a change, and fight the Democrats wild and flagrant push to not penalize Canada for the sale, into our Country, of large amounts of Fentanyl, by Tariffing the value of this horrible and deadly drug in order to make it more costly to distribute and buy. They are playing with the lives of the American people, and right into the hands of the Radical Left Democrats and Drug Cartels. The Senate Bill is just a ploy of the Dems to show and expose the weakness of certain Republicans, namely these four, in that it is not going anywhere because the House will never approve it and I, as your President, will never sign it. Why are they allowing Fentanyl to pour into our Country unchecked, and without penalty. What is wrong with them, other than suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, commonly known as TDS? Who can want this to happen to our beautiful families, and why? To the people of the Great States of Kentucky, Alaska, and Maine, please contact these Senators and get them to FINALLY adhere to Republican Values and Ideals. They have been extremely difficult to deal with and, unbelievably disloyal to hardworking Majority Leader John Thune, and the Republican Party itself. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
That’s what the man said on main: we have to slap tariffs on illegal imports of illicit drugs. Somehow, the Democratic party is failing the Make America Great Again version of America by refusing to slap tariffs on a product that is being smuggled into the country far more frequently than it’s being declared at border crossings.

Canada isn’t even the problem, even if we agree with half of this non-logic. No one honestly considers Canada to be part of the mostly imagined “border crisis.” And, even if we give Trump far more credit than he deserves, this statement makes it clear Trump actually believes he can curb illegal drug trafficking by making it far more expensive to move fentanyl legally across the US/Canada border. All this does is increase the market for illegal, unregulated fentanyl because acquiring it legally will no longer be the less expensive and/or easier option.

And for all the talk about fentanyl being “terrible and deadly,” there are actual legitimate medical uses for the synthetic opioid. Patients who could be helped by this drug will be forced to use other, less effective options or, in worst case scenarios, be priced out of the market entirely.

The worst part of all of this is that it’s merely performative. Trump doesn’t actually care about fighting fentanyl trafficking or limiting abuse of the drug. He just wants to keep throwing tariffs at Canada because pretty much every politician in the country has told Trump to fuck right off with his “51st state” bullshit. And he’s literally stupid enough to believe that slapping tariffs on legal drugs will limit the flow of illicit drugs into the US. And no one will be able to convince him otherwise — not only because no one in his party will even make the attempt, but because he’s so self-deluded it’s literally impossible to change his mind.
Tariffing drugs smuggled into the country will be tricky.
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Ladies and Gentlemen - This is what an early stage dementia sufferer that doesn't get enough sleep, with a mindset stuck in the 1980s looks like when using modern social media technology.
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I don't think he's trying to tax illegal smuggling, he's just collectively punishing all of canada for it. Which isn't much better/saner, I admit.
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Where things stand for Trump in global tariff battle
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In the aftermath of this week's tariff whiplash, President Donald Trump is deciding exactly what he wants out of trade talks with as many as 75 nations in the coming weeks.


Trump is also figuring out next steps with China. He upped his tariffs on Chinese goods to 145% after China placed retaliatory taxes of 84% on imports from the US.

While his 90-day pause on other tariffs caused the stock market to rally on yesterday countries still face a baseline 10% import tax instead of the higher rates announced on April 2.

“There will be a transition cost and transition problems,” Trump said at yesterday's cabinet meeting. “But in the end it’s going to be a beautiful thing.”

Kevin Hassett, director of the White House National Economic Council, told Fox News’ “Fox and Friends" yesterday that the administration already has “offers on the table from more than 15 countries".

Hassett said the next step will be determining exactly what Trump wants out of the negotiations.

“We have a meeting today with all the top principals where we’re going to present to the president a list of what we think his priorities might look like," Hassett said. "And I’m sure he’s going to, you know, have his own ideas about where to move things.”

Here's a look at where Trump's tariffs showdown stands:

The financial markets can tame Trump

With $28.9 trillion in publicly held debt, the US government can still be beholden to the investors who lend it money. Trump might be willing to run roughshod over political rivals, judges he dislikes and a host of political norms, but the bond market showed yesterday that it can temper his plans.

Going into yesterday, the interest rate on a 10-year US Treasury note was increasing and approaching 4.5%. That meant the US government was having a tough time finding possible buyers for its debt, as market participants were wondering if Trump's tariffs had caused foreign buyers to sour on the US government. Higher interest rates for the government could trigger even higher mortgage rates and auto loans for consumers, among other problems.

Trump yesterday said investors were getting “yippy,” but after his tariff pause he described the bond market as “beautiful.”

The tariff drama is far from done

The S&P 500 stock index jumped 9.5% after the pause was announced. But reality crept back in today and the stock market slumped roughly 4% in late trading. Sure, Trump was no longer going to put a 20% tariff on goods from the European Union, a 24% tariff on Japan or 25% on South Korea. But those nations still have imports taxed at an elevated 10%, Trump's new baseline as trade talks begin. And tariffs went up against China, locking the world's two largest economies in a trade war.

Plus, the trade war has expanded with China, and 25% tariffs still apply to imported autos, steel and aluminium. Imports from Canada and Mexico, the two largest US trading partners, still face import taxes of as much as 25%. And Trump still plans tariffs on pharmaceutical drugs, lumber, copper and computer chips.

“While we appreciate the pause, the reciprocal tariff of 10% still represents more than double the tariff on imports of leather footwear from countries like Vietnam and Cambodia,” said Tom Florsheim, CEO of the Weyco Group, a footwear company. “Even at this level, it means a significant cost increase that will impact consumers.”

Because tariffs are taxes paid by importers, the costs generally get passed along to consumers and businesses in the form of higher prices and slower economic growth. The Budget Lab at Yale University estimated today that even with the pause, Trump's current tariff regime would pull down a household's average disposable income by $4,364.

What Trump really, really wants

Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said that any trade agreements will be “bespoke” deals, rather than some overarching pact among a group of countries. Trump has laid out a series of grievances and goals regarding tariffs, but Canadian and European counterparts have said the actual asks from administration officials have been vague so far.

Trump has said he wants to eliminate the $1.2 trillion trade deficit, which means he no longer wants the US to import more goods than it exports to other nations. He also wants revenues from tariffs to offset his income tax cut plans. The president has also said he wants the tariffs to bring back factory jobs and raise workers’ wages.

Aides have said that Trump wants other nations to scrap regulations and other policies such as Europe's value-added taxes that he deems to be a barrier to US goods, an ask that would require other countries to change their laws. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick has said the goal is to get other nations to “respect” Trump.

His goals might not necessarily be in line with what other nations want.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen posted on X that she's “consistently advocated for a zero-for-zero tariff agreement between the European Union and the United States.”

Lori Wallach, director of the Rethink Trade program at the American Economic Liberties Project, said Trump needs to be more publicly forthright about what he wants out of trade talks and tariffs.

“Absent transparency about what is being demanded, we could end up with the worst of all outcomes — a bunch of bad special interest deals, all of the economic damage caused by tariff uncertainty and no trade rebalancing, US manufacturing capacity or goods jobs,” she said.

A trade war with China could cause mutual pain

The Trump administration views China as violating basic trade norms with how it subsidises its manufacturers, takes intellectual property from its global competitors, suppresses wages for its workers and manipulates its currency.

The White House clarified that the 125% tariffs that Trump announced against China were actually 145%, once his previous 20% fentanyl tariffs were included.

Census Bureau data show the US ran a $295 billion trade deficit last year with China. Because US consumers and businesses are such a major customer of Chinese manufacturers, Bessent has said that gives the US an edge in terms of inflicting pain on that nation's economy through tariffs. Of course, China has also spent several years preparing for a trade war.

Trump at his cabinet meeting expressed hope that he could get an agreement with China, though he didn't offer any specifics on what he was seeking.

“Well, we’ll see what happens with China,” Trump said. “I would love to be able to work a deal.”

Wendong Zhang, an economist at Cornell University, said that the Chinese economy might suffer a steeper hit to its gross domestic product than the US, but it's “likely to stick to its guns” due to internal public support and the ability to increase consumption domestically on goods that might no longer be going to the US.

Meanwhile, Trump will need to deal with voters who might be frustrated over the higher price of electronics and other goods resulting from the trade wars.

“Many products that the US imports are predominantly from China: smartphones (73%), laptops (78%), video game consoles (87%), toys (77%), and also antibiotics for US livestock production," Zhang said in an email. “Resourcing from other countries will take time and result in much higher costs.”
Two parts I'll highlight:
Kevin Hassett, director of the White House National Economic Council, told Fox News’ “Fox and Friends" yesterday that the administration already has “offers on the table from more than 15 countries".

Hassett said the next step will be determining exactly what Trump wants out of the negotiations.
Canadian and European counterparts have said the actual asks from administration officials have been vague so far.
The Trump administration having difficulty coming up with specific demands nudges me further towards most of the tariffs being market manipulation so that Trump and his 'friends' can profit. With the claims about it benefiting the US being nothing more than the excuse he feeds the public.

Otherwise someone in the administration would have come up with specific demands for what they want other countries to do.

The vagueness being used as an excuse for more stock market manipulation means that things will remain unpredictable. Until they stop causing big swings in the stock market.

Oh and they are trying to claim that the penguin tariffs were intended. Because the Trump administration doesn't admit mistakes.
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