Logical fallacy - Mike, I need your skill here !!

[The Nomad]

In a debate on a French ST forum, I asked which race built the safest, best ships ( from a fiability/logic/engineering POV, technological disparities notwithstanding ).

One trekkie ( with a Vulcan avatar ) argued ( amongst other bs ) that my poll was illogical because :

1) crews made the difference in Trek ( which has IMHO nothing to do with the thread, and I told him that - but he didn't seem to get it )
2) there were "no ship with a better design for fire arcs, safety and systems' fiability"

Now I would need your opinion on this, and I would especially appreciate if Mike bothered to make a reply like those he's famous for - style, punch and logic. I would love to quote it.

For those of you who understand French : the website and the thread. The Trekkie's pseudo is Merek, and mine is GSV Eschatologist.
I'M NOT CALLING FOR AN INVASION

If a mod thinks this thread belongs to PST or HOS, I won't mind it being moved .

[Merek]

2) there were "no ship with a better design for fire arcs, safety and systems' fiability"

I never say this !
I said that it was not automaticaly the best ship who win !

[Darth Wong]

In a debate on a French ST forum, I asked which race built the safest, best ships ( from a fiability/logic/engineering POV, technological disparities notwithstanding ).

One trekkie ( with a Vulcan avatar ) argued ( amongst other bs ) that my poll was illogical because :

1) crews made the difference in Trek ( which has IMHO nothing to do with the thread, and I told him that - but he didn't seem to get it )

That is a red-herring. The intrinsic design flaws of a ship are not affected by the skill of the crew in overcoming those weaknesses. In fact, the best ship would require the least intervention from the crew to continue operating. The fact that Fed crews must constantly kludge around system problems is hardly a compliment to the designers.

2) there were "no ship with a better design for fire arcs, safety and systems' fiability"

Circular logic. He is trying to prove that the ships are safe by simply saying that they are safe. That is not evidence. I have countless examples of poor Federation ship design in my database, and he can't counteract them by simply saying "they're the safest".

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

2) there were "no ship with a better design for fire arcs, safety and systems' fiability"

I never say this !
I said that it was not automaticaly the best ship who win !

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Anyway with that out of the way, I think the most intelligently designed Trek ship is the Imperial Star Destroyer.

[SyntaxVorlon]

Farscape came out with damn good ship design, beautiful ships at any rate.
But aside from that nonsequitor...
Good ship design?
The Cardassians had pretty stable looking ships, single body, reinforced frame.
The Feds were just idiots

[Andrew J.]

2) there were "no ship with a better design for fire arcs, safety and systems' fiability"

I never say this !
I said that it was not automaticaly the best ship who win !

Malheureusement pour toi, the debate was not about who would win, but which ship was the best.

[Slartibartfast]

If I had to vote, I'd say "any ship except the Feds". You don't need any engineer geniuses in Klingon, Romulan or Cardassian ships to keep them running at minimum safe conditions.

But thinking about it, Feds don't need them either. I think the ships in the shows are really really jinxed. No ships suffer *technobabble containment failures* off-screen

Kiss the Spock-monkey!

[The Nomad]

I never say this !

Yes you did :

Il n'existe pas un vaisseau avec un meilleurs design pour les arcs de tirs, la sécurité et la fiabilité des systèmes ou tout autres criteres.