Rationalizing the Existence of the Clone Army

[Joe]

How does the Jedi Order rationalize the existence of a million plus clone army to the government, and the people of the Republic? It's going to seem mighty strange that the Jedi just happened to have a huge clone army ready for use at the exact moment it was needed. Maybe this was anticipated by Palpatine, and he's going to use this fact to label the Jedi as the warmongers who worked behind the scenes to manufacture the war.

[Master of Ossus]

Unclear. If I were them, I would just tell the truth. It's not like you can conceal something like that from the press.

[BioDroid]

Somehow, I don't think Ol' Palpy will be answering to anyone

[Sea Skimmer]

Simple, don’t tell them there clones that would have needed 10 years to grow. The Separatists had been gaining momentum for quite some time; six months would have been enough to build some warships and train some secret volunteer troops.

[Joe]

Given the fact that every soldier looks exactly the same, I think it's going to be rather difficult to hide the fact that they are clones.

[Mr Bean]

Given the fact that every soldier looks exactly the same, I think it's going to be rather difficult to hide the fact that they are clones.

Well they could say there from Adum the planet of the Inbreeds!

Or order the Clone Troopers never to take thier Helmets off

Or have Yoda Explain it

Clones they are not, dreaming you are

[une]

Maybe that's part of Palpatine's plan. He pushes the creation o the clone army onto the Jedi to make it seem like they started the clone wars. this would lead to a legitimate reason for wiping them out.

[Ender]

Maybe this was anticipated by Palpatine, and he's going to use this fact to label the Jedi as the warmongers who worked behind the scenes to manufacture the war.

That is his plan. Allow me to post somnething I typed up before AOTC came out.

The more I learn about the Sith Plan, the more beautiful it is.

According to the history of the Sith, they tried to take down the Jedi and conquer the republic several times. But when they went after the Republic, the Jedi beat them down, and when they went after the Jedi the Republic beat them down. Since one side supports the other, and they stop you before you can get big enough to take them both at once, what's the plan?

Turn one against the other.

And that's exactly what they do. Over the course of 1000 years, the Sith built up wealth and hid themselves, only to work at taking down the Republic from the inside. The dark side is just makes it easier, since complete mind control is right up their ally, and that just expidites things. Then there is blackmail, the creation of false scandels, etc. And eventually, all this backstabbing and trickery gets Palpatine on the top of the heap.

Now comes Phase 2. His apprentice triggers a war with himself as the head of the other faction. Now they get to play both sides towards the middle. Since the Chancellor knows what the Jedi are doing (since they act with Republic authority and sanction), he knows exactly where they will strike next. He contacts his apprentice, and when the Jedi are making an attack, the Confederate forces are ready. When the Clones attack, the Confederate forces are again ready... ready to lose that is. This way the Jedi are being killed, and the clones are being the heros of the war. The number of dead doesn't matter, first because they are evil, and second because they want the Jedi dead, they just make more clones, and they just make more droids.

The use of droids is ingenius by the way. Sure they are cheap, easy to break, and can't shoot very well, but they are machines, so the Jedi can't detect them, can't use mind tricks, and are easily overwhelmed by shear volume of the things.

Now after the war, things are perfect. Tons of Jedi are dead. The Jedi are also blamed for the devestaton because A) they triggered the was with their attack on Genosis, and B) a force user (and incidently a former Jedi, though this could have worked with Maul just as well) was leading the rebels. And since the Clones win all the major battles, they are the war heros, not the Jedi. And the Jedi were never that trusted in the beginning (TPM indicates they were feared and disliked based on how Watto and the Federation people act). They have powers (making people both jealous and wary) and have isolated themselves from the rest of the galaxy. The EU indicates they are tainted for supporting an increasingly corrupt Republic. And stealing babies isn't going to do much for your popularity either. So the Jedi are reviled by the populace, the Sith Master commands a huge military force (leftover from the war), powerful Jedi have turned to the darkside, and their ally the Republic was completely subverted.

Declare them enemies of the Republic and war criminals, and let the purge begin.

[His Divine Shadow]

I don't see the problem here, Count Dooku did it.

[Jim Raynor]

One thing I can't understand is how the Jedi rationalize the clones with their own philosophy. The Jedi at the end of AOTC seemed WAY too accepting of the clones. Clones have been shown in the EU to create disturbances in the Force.

[Master of Ossus]

One thing I can't understand is how the Jedi rationalize the clones with their own philosophy. The Jedi at the end of AOTC seemed WAY too accepting of the clones. Clones have been shown in the EU to create disturbances in the Force.

Perhaps the Jedi know something that we do not. Or perhaps the clones were too much of a tool to pass up (hence, the Jedi are turning to the Dark Side, as is supported by the symbolism of AotC). Or perhaps the Jedi did know that there was a problem, but chose to ignore it. Also, perhaps the disturbances created by the Force by clones are a result of the use of Ysalamiri in their creation, and has nothing to do with merely the fact that they are clones. That is supported circumstantially by the fact that Luke did not appear to take any particular notice of Boba Fett, and allowed the Bounty Hunter to surprise him. Had Fett been cranking out a strange signal through the Force, I find it likely Luke would have noticed him earlier.

[Darth Yoshi]

It could also have something to do with the speed with which clones are grown.

[Howedar]

The fact that the Kaminoians are identified as good cloners by that diner guy indicates that clone soldiers are not unheard of in the OR, if not commonplace.

[Master of Ossus]

It could also have something to do with the speed with which clones are grown.

It does. That was stated in DFR. The ysalamiri allow clones to be grown in a matter of weeks or months, rather than years.

[Crayz9000]

It does. That was stated in DFR. The ysalamiri allow clones to be grown in a matter of weeks or months, rather than years.

They're also responsible for the strange disturbance in the Force that the ysalamiri-grown clones have, if I read the books correctly.

[Stuart Mackey]

Maybe that's part of Palpatine's plan. He pushes the creation o the clone army onto the Jedi to make it seem like they started the clone wars. this would lead to a legitimate reason for wiping them out.

I think that Palpatines reasons for killing off the Jedi will be that they find out he is Sith and wish to depose him. Palpy will declare them in a state of rebellion, and agroup who wish to commit treason against the state. This will be more than enough reason to get rid of the Jedi.