Trade Federation vs. United Federation

[Darth Fanboy]

The Trade federation Naboo Occupation fleet versus the Federation fleet.

1- What is the margin of victory for the TF, if any?

2- After landing Occupation forces similar to the Nabooo Occupation force on Earth there is a huge battle between the Federation adn the TF Droid Armies. what is the TF's margin of victory there, if any?

3- Squadron of Droid Fighters vs. E-E in isolated incident, who wins?

*Bonus Missions*

4- Darth Maul sent to Kronos to assassinate the Klingon High Council, he is given the same material he had with him on Tatooine, can he pull it off? Can he pull it off and survive?

5- A joint Federation/Klingon Ground Force is pitted against the Gungan Grand Army on naboo in a bizarre series of events. who wins?

6- same battle as #5, but without Tanks.

[Enforcer Talen]

driods vs redshirts?

[Darth Garden Gnome]

1- What is the margin of victory for the TF, if any?

2- After landing Occupation forces similar to the Nabooo Occupation force on Earth there is a huge battle between the Federation adn the TF Droid Armies. what is the TF's margin of victory there, if any?

3- Squadron of Droid Fighters vs. E-E in isolated incident, who wins?

*Bonus Missions*

4- Darth Maul sent to Kronos to assassinate the Klingon High Council, he is given the same material he had with him on Tatooine, can he pull it off? Can he pull it off and survive?

5- A joint Federation/Klingon Ground Force is pitted against the Gungan Grand Army on naboo in a bizarre series of events. who wins?

6- same battle as #5, but without Tanks.

1.)TradeFed "battleships" are superior to the Fed fleet by orders of magnitude. Given that the TradeFed blockade consited of dozens of them, the Fed fleet is fucked. Should we only include the Droid Control Ship, the Fed fleet is still fucked.

2.)AAT > Redshirt. 'Nuff said.

3.)If the Droid Starfighters use their torpedoes, the fight goes to them easy.

4.)Maul attacks the High Council building with his cloaked Infiltrator. If for some reason this isn't possible, he proved in the Darth Maul comic-in where he assinated the leaders of the Black Sun-that he is fully capable of any sort of assasination.

5.)If the droid army can beat the Gungans by themselves, having a little extra cannon fodder shouldn't be a problem.

6.)AFAIK the TradeFed army was handling the situation without AATs, and they seemed to be the icing on the cake. Can't be too sure on this one...

[Darth Fanboy]

yes the Droids were using AATs during the Naboo ground battle, no in the initial march through the shields but once the shield went down they were utilized.

[Captain tycho]

The TradeFed has 10,000 ships blockading Naboo alone.
That's more ships than the entire combined Klingon AND Federation.
Not to mention each ship is magnitudes better than AQ ships.

[Darth Fanboy]

Lets Reduce the Number of Trade Federation Ships to 100 then.

[Lord Pounder]

still a very one sided battle. TF Cap ships are way better than anything the Federation or it;s allies can throw at them.

Would the TF ships have the facilities for making more battle droids and Fighters?

[Ted C]

The Trade federation Naboo Occupation fleet versus the Federation fleet.

1- What is the margin of victory for the TF, if any?

Pretty total. I don't see the Federation every penetrating the shields on the TradeFed vessels, and if we go with the theory that the TradeFed gunners were specifically targeting the repair droids during Amidala's escape, then their accuracy is more than sufficient to wipe out Federation starships.

2- After landing Occupation forces similar to the Nabooo Occupation force on Earth there is a huge battle between the Federation adn the TF Droid Armies. what is the TF's margin of victory there, if any?

The Federation doesn't have any ground forces to speak of. Phasers aren't great against metallic targets, either. Droids with tank support would mutilate any UPF force that dared to confront them.

3- Squadron of Droid Fighters vs. E-E in isolated incident, who wins?

I don't know the ICS stats for those fighters. If they aren't heavily shielded and they aren't too numerous, the E-E might take them out.

*Bonus Missions*

4- Darth Maul sent to Kronos to assassinate the Klingon High Council, he is given the same material he had with him on Tatooine, can he pull it off? Can he pull it off and survive?

Darth Maul walks into the Klingon High Council chamber.

"I challenge you all to a duel for control of the Empire. I'll take on all of you at once."

The Council members pick up their Bat'Leths and stride out to their deaths.

5- A joint Federation/Klingon Ground Force is pitted against the Gungan Grand Army on naboo in a bizarre series of events. who wins?

Pretty much a stand-off until the UPF/Klingon force tries to close with the Gungans. Fed/Klingon weapons won't penetrate the Gungan shields, and the Gungans don't have any long range weaponry.

The Fed/Klingon force may get mauled if they try to march through the shield and engage the Gungans up close, though. Those "boomer" spheres cut large swathes through approaching droids, and the Gungan cavalry with their electified spears might actually be effective against UFP/Klingon troops at short range.

6- same battle as #5, but without Tanks.

The UFP and Klingons don't have tanks, so it makes no difference.

[Patrick Ogaard]

5- A joint Federation/Klingon Ground Force is pitted against the Gungan Grand Army on naboo in a bizarre series of events. who wins?

Pretty much a stand-off until the UPF/Klingon force tries to close with the Gungans. Fed/Klingon weapons won't penetrate the Gungan shields, and the Gungans don't have any long range weaponry.

The Fed/Klingon force may get mauled if they try to march through the shield and engage the Gungans up close, though. Those "boomer" spheres cut large swathes through approaching droids, and the Gungan cavalry with their electified spears might actually be effective against UFP/Klingon troops at short range.

Remember that the first wave of the Fed/Klingon force should find itself bursting into flames as they attempt to breach the field. The extremely hot atmospheric interface of a theater shield is supposed to be one of the reasons -- in addition to the obvious NBC protection -- for the fully sealed clonetrooper and stormtrooper armor. Thus, it would possibly become a matter of netiehr side being able to hurt the other.

[Sektor31]

Oh cmon, a droid control ship can take out the entire Fed? I know the Fed sucks, but you have to admit that this is damn outrageous.

[Enforcer Talen]

it carries hundreds of thousands of troops, has a hyperdrive, and carries fighters and turbolaser batteries. its not that hard to consider.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Nope, the Droid ships have turbolasers.

[Darth Fanboy]

Pretty much the responses I was expecting, with the only real debate regarding the Droid Fighters vs. E-E.

[Darth Fanboy]

Fuck, I said Without Tanks? For the FEds. vs. Gungans? Gawd what was I smoking.

Should have been something more a long the lines of , Without Cavalry.

Ah well doesn't change much.

[Howedar]

I don't recall the TF ship having anything but anti-fighter weapons, although I could very well be wrong. In that case, the Federation fleet would have time to run away, but the shields on the TF ship would still be strong enough to make a Federation attack somewhat pointless.

[seanrobertson]

The Trade federation Naboo Occupation fleet versus the Federation fleet.

1- What is the margin of victory for the TF, if any?

Are you kidding here?

100% margin of victory. They had a lot of those battleships at Naboo.

2- After landing Occupation forces similar to the Nabooo Occupation force on Earth there is a huge battle between the Federation adn the TF Droid Armies. what is the TF's margin of victory there, if any?

100%. The Federation would destroy some of the invaders with Runabouts and the like, and some precision strikes from starships in orbit might be useful, but the invaders wouldn't be so stupid as to park a million troops out in the middle of nowhere. And unfortunately for the Federation, that's the only time they could hope to wipe out a very large ground force all at once (they'd be unwilling to incur civilian casualties).

3- Squadron of Droid Fighters vs. E-E in isolated incident, who wins?

E-E, easily. Those fighters weren't very impressive. And I didn't see them carry any missiles...the E-E could wipe them out at range.

*Bonus Missions*

4- Darth Maul sent to Kronos to assassinate the Klingon High Council, he is given the same material he had with him on Tatooine, can he pull it off? Can he pull it off and survive?

Yeah, I think probably so. Consider that two Jedi were able to take on dozens of droids at once. Klingons might have a little more initiate than droids...but that's their undoing.

Think about it: they'll see Maul and go running with bat'leths. Maul would slaughter them wholesale...the *only* way the Klingons might win is if a large number of them [uncharacteristically] just blasted the hell out of him with disruptors.

He's simply fast enough to dodge and block a large volume of weapons fire. I bet it would take a Klingon force comparable in size to the TF/Separatist forces that were killing Jedi to take out Maul, who's superior to most of the fallen Jedi. However big TF forces in the arena were divided by the no. of Jedis they were fighting should be a reasonable lower-limit for what'd be needed to take on Maul.

But the Klingons would never be able to cram so many warriors into the Great Hall anyway, so they lose. But I'm assuming that by beaming onto a starship, Martok and the High Council forfeit

5- A joint Federation/Klingon Ground Force is pitted against the Gungan Grand Army on naboo in a bizarre series of events. who wins?

Gungans were pretty half-assed. I'd rather be a red-shirt with a phaser rifle than a Gungan with a slingshot.

Gungans seemed optimized to attack slow-moving military vehicles, like TF tanks.

6- same battle as #5, but without Tanks.

Gungans had tanks? I don't remember that.

Again, what "artillery" they had was designed to hit vehicles, not lots of infantrymen. And that's actually one plus for the Federation-Klingon army in this case: lacking heavy armor, they'll beam to a position close to the Gungans and proceed on foot.

[consequences]

if the Klingon high council had any idea what they were dealing with they might all whip out their blasters, remember, they did something pretty similar to a Founder infiltrator once. The first three guys having their Batleths and bodies cut in half might clue them in to.

[seanrobertson]

The Trade federation Naboo Occupation fleet versus the Federation fleet.

1- What is the margin of victory for the TF, if any?

Btw, if you mean only the one control ship that we see at the end of the film--which would not be consistent with "TF Naboo Occupation fleet"--I'm not sure.

It has incredibly strong shields, but if it's stuck at a particular (it has to control the droids, and presumably cannot do so from light years away), eventually its fuel will run short and its shields will have to weaken. The Federation would have plenty of time to attack an individual ship at their leisure--and they might not have a lot of choice in the matter anyhow, given that warp is slow enough that ships would be coming in for days and weeks even when they are busting ass to get to the TF ship.

[seanrobertson]

Damn it...

I meant:

It has incredibly strong shields, but if it's stuck at a particular ****PLANET****...

[seanrobertson]

if the Klingon high council had any idea what they were dealing with they might all whip out their blasters, remember, they did something pretty similar to a Founder infiltrator once. The first three guys having their Batleths and bodies cut in half might clue them in to.

That's true. Of course, the Founder didn't challenge them to "honorable combat"

I'm still curious to know how many Klingons would have to simultaneously shoot at Maul to finally gun him down. I really have no clue. But I bet it is probably a lot

[Darth Garden Gnome]

On the E-E verse a squadron of Droid Starfighters, Droid fighters have "energy torpedoes,"so says the EpI ICS. So if these "energy torpedoes" are anywhere near as powerful as normal proton torpedoes, the fighters shouldn't have much trouble with the E-E.

[Marc Xavier]

Dude. So unfair. Redshirts get their ass kicked by potted plants. At least the TOS ones.

[Illuminatus Primus]

On the E-E verse a squadron of Droid Starfighters, Droid fighters have "energy torpedoes,"so says the EpI ICS. So if these "energy torpedoes" are anywhere near as powerful as normal proton torpedoes, the fighters shouldn't have much trouble with the E-E.

The Revised Core Rulebook (WoTC) has retconned the "energy torpedo launchers" into light proton torpedo tubes.

[Darth Fanboy]

And do you believe WoTC or the ICS?

[consequences]

ICS, I wouldn't believe WOTC if they said Coruscant was the name of the capital planet without checking Saxton's site. Granted, Saxton didn't do the ep.1 cross-sections, but my point still stands.