Maus tank vs. HMS Inflexible
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Maus tank vs. HMS Inflexible
The worlds largest tank vs. the worlds most heavily armored warship. Inflexible has all guns loaded and a full crew, while steam is raised she starts stationary. The Maus also has guns loaded and her crew, but is also stationary. The opening range is 50 meters with the Maus's frontal arc facing the broadside of the Inflexible.
The area is flat, with no place for the tank or battleship to hid.
The area is flat, with no place for the tank or battleship to hid.
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Re: Maus tank vs. HMS Inflexible
Maus wins since Inflexible has:Sea Skimmer wrote:The worlds largest tank vs. the worlds most heavily armored warship.
24" compound iron
backed by 17" of teak
IRON armor, not STEEL.
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Re: Maus tank vs. HMS Inflexible
However the Maus is going to be hit by a sledgehammer of four sixteen-inch shells. The crew will not be in good shape, even if the armor holds and doesn't rip them apart with spalling.MKSheppard wrote:Maus wins since Inflexible has:Sea Skimmer wrote:The worlds largest tank vs. the worlds most heavily armored warship.
24" compound iron
backed by 17" of teak
IRON armor, not STEEL.
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Inflexible wins. An armour piercing 5 inch shell could possibly penetrate 24 inches of iron, but the teak backing is going to absorb a LOT of blast.
Inflexible was built before the advent of AP shells, but four tons of shell impacting on Maus is going to hamburgerify the crew.
Inflexible wins. An armour piercing 5 inch shell could possibly penetrate 24 inches of iron, but the teak backing is going to absorb a LOT of blast.
Inflexible was built before the advent of AP shells, but four tons of shell impacting on Maus is going to hamburgerify the crew.
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Inflexible wins
Tank crew are pudding
Tank crew are pudding
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Re: Maus tank vs. HMS Inflexible
*beats up the Great Leader*Sea Skimmer wrote: However the Maus is going to be hit by a sledgehammer of four sixteen-inch shells. The crew will not be in good shape, even if the armor holds and doesn't rip them apart with spalling.
You mentioned that the Maus' frontal arc is facing to the
BROADSIDE of the Inflexible, which only is 2 guns.
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Re: Maus tank vs. HMS Inflexible
*beats up MKSheppard*MKSheppard wrote:*beats up the Great Leader*Sea Skimmer wrote: However the Maus is going to be hit by a sledgehammer of four sixteen-inch shells. The crew will not be in good shape, even if the armor holds and doesn't rip them apart with spalling.
You mentioned that the Maus' frontal arc is facing to the
BROADSIDE of the Inflexible, which only is 2 guns.
Inflexible had a broadside of FOUR guns. Her turrets were en echelon, which provided ahead, and broadside fire on limited arcs.
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Inflexible has far greater capacity to absorb damage. It wins.
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Re: Maus tank vs. HMS Inflexible
Have to vote for the Maus!Sea Skimmer wrote:The worlds largest tank vs. the worlds most heavily armored warship. Inflexible has all guns loaded and a full crew, while steam is raised she starts stationary. The Maus also has guns loaded and her crew, but is also stationary. The opening range is 50 meters with the Maus's frontal arc facing the broadside of the Inflexible.
The area is flat with no space for the tank or battleship to hid.
Those guns in the turrets of the Inflexible can't target the Maus at 50 meters. They can't lower the cannons that much.
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Re: Maus tank vs. HMS Inflexible
They most certainly could lower the cannons that much. Inflexible was armed with muzzle loading guns, which were loaded by depressing the guns into a special raised glacis directly forward of the starboard turret and aft of the port turret. These don't show on the lousy Conway's artwork I posted.Boba Fett wrote:Have to vote for the Maus!
Those guns in the turrets of the Inflexible can't target the Maus at 50 meters. They can't lower the cannons that much.
Theoretically, Inflexible could fire into her own deck, so a target 50 meters away is NO problem.
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Thanks Frank!Frank Hipper wrote:They most certainly could lower the cannons that much. Inflexible was armed with muzzle loading guns, which were loaded by depressing the guns into a special raised glacis directly forward of the starboard turret and aft of the port turret. These don't show on the lousy Conway's artwork I posted.Boba Fett wrote:Have to vote for the Maus!
Those guns in the turrets of the Inflexible can't target the Maus at 50 meters. They can't lower the cannons that much.
Theoretically, Inflexible could fire into her own deck, so a target 50 meters away is NO problem.
That solved the case...
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When it comes to pre-WWII ships, I am THE man!Boba Fett wrote:Thanks Frank!
That solved the case...
(edit) And I'm slipping in my old age.....
Shep, you DO know what compound armour is, right? A layer of STEEL with iron backing. Don't believe I let that one go.....
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Maus wins. The Germans have the first shot due to training.
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And the Brit sailors are not trained?Stas Bush wrote:Maus wins. The Germans have the first shot due to training.
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Re: Maus tank vs. HMS Inflexible
*Drops anvil on Sheppard*MKSheppard wrote:*beats up the Great Leader*Sea Skimmer wrote: However the Maus is going to be hit by a sledgehammer of four sixteen-inch shells. The crew will not be in good shape, even if the armor holds and doesn't rip them apart with spalling.
You mentioned that the Maus' frontal arc is facing to the
BROADSIDE of the Inflexible, which only is 2 guns.
Know what cross deck firing is?
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Re: Maus tank vs. HMS Inflexible
Where going to assume the pier is raised somewhat above the current tide, otherwise the Maus shells would likely go high as well.Boba Fett wrote:
Have to vote for the Maus!
Those guns in the turrets of the Inflexible can't target the Maus at 50 meters. They can't lower the cannons that much.
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Depends on which has the better targeting system, and also depends on whether the tank can move from behind a berm, accurately fire, and move back behind the berm in time to avoid incoming fire. The ship won't be able to move behind a berm, so if the tank scores enough hits or a hit in a critical area, then it wins, and the ship becomes fish food. If the tank is too slow and the ship's gunners accurate, then the tank becomes a smouldering pillbox, full of charred remains.
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Klaus: Duh, hey, Gustav! Load the main gun.Frank Hipper wrote:Guessing the time of service entrance for the Maus, the Volksturm must have pretty impressive training!Stuart Mackey wrote:And the Brit sailors are not trained?Stas Bush wrote:Maus wins. The Germans have the first shot due to training.
Gustav: *puff* *puff* I can't lift the round.
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For the record, we are talking about a Maus, king of the German super-heavies. The question is somewhat moot.jegs2 wrote:If the tank is too slow
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The Maus was never actually built, except as a wooden mock up. It could certainly never have been mass produced, and if it could have been completed according to specs, it would have had a top speed of 12 miles per hour and a weight of 188 tons! It would have cracked pavement, collapsed bridges, and sunk into any but the hardest ground deeply enough to get stuck. The King Tiger, at only 68.65 tons was already experiencing some of these problems to a limited degree. The Maus, at more than twice the weight, would have been far too heavy and slow to be of the slightest use on the battlefield.
In this case, I think the thing would be a sitting duck for the Invincible.
In this case, I think the thing would be a sitting duck for the Invincible.