Unconditional Love

Jack Lain · Post by **Jack Lain** » 2002-08-28 10:09pm

Unconditional love is a fallacy. There is no such thing. All love and feelings in general are tied to conditions. Whether these conditions are in the subconscious of the lover or not, is irrelevant. They still exist. Conditions are natural and a part of being human.

Ah, but some of you will say, "Jack, I love my children, no matter what they do."
To which I reply, your son just killed your wife and fucked his sister, then killed her. Still love him? I doubt it. Or will you claim you are simply very disappointed? BTW: that is example is real. I know someone who suffered through that.

There is no such thing. All love is based on conditions. Attractiveness, intelligence, kindness, money or what have you. You define love in your own context, which is of course, conditional.

The concept of unconditional love is false. It does not exist and more than likely cannot exist in humans at this stage. Probably never will at any stage of human development as it ties too closely with survival of the fittest which of course shows that love (or at least the choice of sexual partners) are chosen for deeper more direct biological reasons. Again, conditions.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-28 10:12pm

How about Puppies? Is there love unconditonal?

(Could not resist)

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-08-28 10:19pm

Based on personal experience:

The best love is no love at all

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-08-29 01:02am

The thing I like the best about my Parent's Cat is that she is a total self centered, consceited, asshole.

"Meow"<Hello!, SLAVE I am down here!, my food is not Percect Snap to it Or I will sharpen my claws on your man-parts at night."

Uther · Post by **Uther** » 2002-08-29 02:48am

RayCav of ASVS wrote:Based on personal experience:

The best love is no love at all

Oh come now, gloom and doom is fun during the teenage years, but we all outgrow it eventually, right?

Oh and unconditional love probably exists. Yes, you will probably still find people who will love others even if the other rapes his daughter, kills his son, milks his cat, etc. etc.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2002-08-29 03:27am

Uther wrote:Oh and unconditional love probably exists. Yes, you will probably still find people who will love others even if the other rapes his daughter, kills his son, milks his cat, etc. etc.

People like that pretty much only exist as characters in badly written fiction (e.g. <cough>Delenn<gag, choke>). Real people tend to be far more fickle in how they hend out their love or compassion.

And I must agree with RayCav: the best love is no love at all.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-08-29 09:39am

Uther wrote:
RayCav of ASVS wrote:Based on personal experience:
The best love is no love at all
Oh come now, gloom and doom is fun during the teenage years, but we all outgrow it eventually, right?

There comes a time in your life when you realize that most of what you thought in your teen years was wrong, at least when it comes to matters of the heart.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-08-29 09:42am

Yes.. And then comes that wonderful experience when the first girl you truly love leaves you. Reason: Despite two years saying otherwise, I don't feel for you anymore.. Cough Cough.. Talking to much.. Sorry

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-08-29 09:46am

Enlightenment wrote:People like that pretty much only exist as characters in badly written fiction (e.g. <cough>Delenn<gag, choke>). Real people tend to be far more fickle in how they hend out their love or compassion.

You'd be surprised. While you can concoct insane scenarios (your kid murders all of his siblings and tries to kill you, for example) to show that it's not 100% "unconditional", you know perfectly well that most people use the term in relation to more realistic situations. It's like refuting claims of unbreakable prison bars by saying you can drive an M-1 tank through them.

The love a (good) parent has for his child is not like anything a non-parent can possibly understand or appreciate. I know non-parents get irritated at statements like that, but it's true. A non-parent trying to comprehend parental love is like a blind person trying to comprehend "blue".

And I must agree with RayCav: the best love is no love at all.

You guys just need to get laid

Uther · Post by **Uther** » 2002-08-29 02:09pm

Enlightenment wrote:
Uther wrote:Oh and unconditional love probably exists. Yes, you will probably still find people who will love others even if the other rapes his daughter, kills his son, milks his cat, etc. etc.
People like that pretty much only exist as characters in badly written fiction (e.g. <cough>Delenn<gag, choke>). Real people tend to be far more fickle in how they hend out their love or compassion.

And I must agree with RayCav: the best love is no love at all.

If you can concoct bizarre scenarios that have probably occured about three dozen times in the history of mankind, then I can point to unusual individuals who can still love even in the face of such circumstances.

I think Mr. Wong has the right of it.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2002-08-29 06:26pm

The love a (good) parent has for his child is not like anything a non-parent can possibly understand or appreciate. I know non-parents get irritated at statements like that, but it's true. A non-parent trying to comprehend parental love is like a blind person trying to comprehend "blue"

When I look at my best friends newborn baby Im starting to learn what parents must feel. She is such an adorable baby.

As for me, I cant honestly say I loved my last cat no matter what she did.
And pets, both cats and dogs, love thier masters in return.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-08-29 08:04pm

Darth Wong wrote:The love a (good) parent has for his child is not like anything a non-parent can possibly understand or appreciate. I know non-parents get irritated at statements like that, but it's true. A non-parent trying to comprehend parental love is like a blind person trying to comprehend "blue".

While I'm not a parent, not married, nor ever been in a relationship, I think I understand it pretty well.

Don't really know why, but I just do.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-08-29 08:11pm

Must.. be.. scientific..

The primary function of an individual is to have descendants. Billions of years of evolution lead to that. Because of this, the most important human function is reproduction [that's why we value it so much, nature made it feel good].

Following that reasoning, the second most important is to secure the ofspring well being. By the same reason as above, it should feel good to.

Or that or I'm just depressed. Never mind.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-08-29 08:20pm

Keep in mind, Olrik, that we are no longer animals, so we can do other things like take our kids to the park.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-08-29 08:29pm

Damn! I knew I had forgotten something!

Just kidding. I don't have kids. I don't even have a girlfriend anymore.
Stupid girls. I hate them I hate them I hate them!

But I cannot live without them
Life's not fair.

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-08-29 09:39pm

Uther wrote:
RayCav of ASVS wrote:Based on personal experience:

The best love is no love at all
Oh come now, gloom and doom is fun during the teenage years, but we all outgrow it eventually, right?

fuck no

Oh and unconditional love probably exists. Yes, you will probably still find people who will love others even if the other rapes his daughter, kills his son, milks his cat, etc. etc.

ewwwwwww

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-08-29 09:42pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:Yes.. And then comes that wonderful experience when the first girl you truly love leaves you.

Or in my case, then comes that wonderful experience when the first girl you truly loved...never loved you back in the first place.

Stupid Catholic bitch.....

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-08-29 09:54pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:Damn! I knew I had forgotten something!

Just kidding. I don't have kids. I don't even have a girlfriend anymore.
Stupid girls. I hate them I hate them I hate them!

But I cannot live without them
Life's not fair.

True.

The cute "preppy" girls that I dig are all bitches.

I drive to my HS in my mom's 1987 Dodge Caravan, that I am now personally responsible for in terms of upkeep. Taking care of that thing comes out of my own pocket. And I see these girls in their stupid Jags and Audis.

And of course they always show up in their preppy outfits.

Man, they are such bitches. But I just can't take my mind off of them. It's like that uptown girl song thingy. I'm not capably of coherent thought right now so I'll stop ranting.

Man, I need to play GTA 3 now, pronto!

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-08-29 11:52pm

RayCav of ASVS wrote:The cute "preppy" girls that I dig are all bitches.

Then don't go after preppy girls. Go after the nice girls who will actually appreciate you instead of treating you like shit, stringing you along so they can make you do things for them, and expecting you to keep coming back for more.

I drive to my HS in my mom's 1987 Dodge Caravan, that I am now personally responsible for in terms of upkeep. Taking care of that thing comes out of my own pocket. And I see these girls in their stupid Jags and Audis.

Any girl who was given a Jag or Audi by her parents as a gift is obviously a spoiled brat, and there's nothing but trouble at the end of that road. They look cute because they spend all of their time and money obsessing over their hair, clothes, and makeup, which is not exactly a good sign.

And of course they always show up in their preppy outfits. Man, they are such bitches. But I just can't take my mind off of them. It's like that uptown girl song thingy. I'm not capably of coherent thought right now so I'll stop ranting.

Admit it. Say it. You know you want to.

They ... need ... to ... get FUCKED UP THE ASS!!!!

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!! Actually, I don't know why I like saying that so much, but I do.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2002-08-29 11:56pm

THe Yosemite Bear wrote:The thing I like the best about my Parent's Cat is that she is a total self centered, consceited, asshole.

"Meow"<Hello!, SLAVE I am down here!, my food is not Percect Snap to it Or I will sharpen my claws on your man-parts at night."

So very very true.....Damn cats...

Uther · Post by **Uther** » 2002-08-30 02:26am

I have a question:

Can you REALLY love something if it doesn't love you back? I mean can real true actual love exist in such a vacuum?

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-08-30 11:12am

Believe me, you can! Oh, you really can!
Fortunately these dark days are now long gone...

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-08-30 08:23pm

Darth Wong wrote:
RayCav of ASVS wrote:The cute "preppy" girls that I dig are all bitches.
Then don't go after preppy girls. Go after the nice girls who will actually appreciate you instead of treating you like shit, stringing you along so they can make you do things for them, and expecting you to keep coming back for more.

Three things:

1.) I just have a weakness for preppy girls. Especially at my school, the ones in the highest of the advanced educational programs, who always wear those cute desses and look like rich bitches. I've always been a sucker for the "creme de la creme", I figure it's the perfectionist side of me speaking out.

2.) Most of the girls at my school who frankly don't freak me out are preppy anyway

3.)Even the non-preppy ones aren't that kind to me. I've never been a ladies man

Yes I know it's irrational, but I'm still an irrational man

I drive to my HS in my mom's 1987 Dodge Caravan, that I am now personally responsible for in terms of upkeep. Taking care of that thing comes out of my own pocket. And I see these girls in their stupid Jags and Audis.
Any girl who was given a Jag or Audi by her parents as a gift is obviously a spoiled brat, and there's nothing but trouble at the end of that road. They look cute because they spend all of their time and money obsessing over their hair, clothes, and makeup, which is not exactly a good sign.

Yes, mother

And of course they always show up in their preppy outfits. Man, they are such bitches. But I just can't take my mind off of them. It's like that uptown girl song thingy. I'm not capably of coherent thought right now so I'll stop ranting.
Admit it. Say it. You know you want to.

They ... need ... to ... get FUCKED UP THE ASS!!!!

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!! Actually, I don't know why I like saying that so much, but I do.

Hey, I would damn fucking well would love to fuck them up the ass. Then again, who doesn't?

Man, I love being the most perverted person this side of ASVS

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-08-30 08:24pm

Uther wrote:I have a question:

Can you REALLY love something if it doesn't love you back? I mean can real true actual love exist in such a vacuum?

I've been doing that for 5 years at least...sad, sad tale, really.

Oh well, time to do what I do best: kriffing blow something up!

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-08-30 08:49pm

Just kidding. I don't have kids. I don't even have a girlfriend anymore.
Stupid girls. I hate them I hate them I hate them!

I dont HATE girls. I am just not sexally attracted to them

On a side note

All love is unrequited.